The Lounge - national / real id

everyone needs to watch this video it could mean the end of our privacy in america. its supposed to take effect sometime in 2008 call your senators and say no to the national / real id
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7pHb7bPfMc

I can't hear te voices...what's happening? summarize for me

The US is evil. Thats what their saying.

Cliffnotes please for us at work with no speakers. If this is what I think it is, all the local reps are getting letter from me and many more people.

From what peg tells me, they want to put implants in you so they can verify your identity no matter what

yes thats true, they say its to track terrorist but thats bs its to track us. they even say without the id you can't get on a plane /get a back account /enter goverment buildings or maybe even a job

yeah thats bull****!!!! first the phone invasions now this? **** this ****!

Like i said in the PM Peg, this wil never go through, it would cause another Civil war and destroy your country and maybe even mine too from it, and basically take the whole world down. cause the US is such a big power if they go a hell of alot of others go too

I willdie fightingbefore someone will do that to me and that is such bull****. **** that.

it won't happen, period! but it's not a bad idea to implant those chips into all of America's felons, just a reassurance for the justice system.

^ that i can agree with. but on a person to person basis i can never see it happening.

Think Logans Run mixed with Childen of Men

thats totaly stupid. theres no way that will ever happen.

i hope not

ORIGINAL: Roto

I willdie fightingbefore someone will do that to me and that is such bull****. **** that.


I've been against the Patriot Act since its inception. The Patriot Act (and later the Patriot Act II) was passed shortly after 9/11 to give the Federal Government power to fight "terrorism". Nobody in Congress fought the Patriot. Why? Because if they didn't they would be thought of as soft on terrorism. What does the Patriot Act allow? The federal government can tap phones and search anything at any time for any reason without a warrent. The federal government can detain (put in jail) anyone for any reason at any time for an indefinate amount of time without charging you for any crime and without a trial of any sort. There are plenty of people who are sitting in jail right now for this reason. Everyone says its not happening. Not only is it happening, we are sitting back and allowing it to happen. Roto said he will die fighting, nobody is fighting. It seems that today we are more afraid of a threat of terrorism than protecting our right to privacy and civil liberty. This administration has scared the American people ****less of terrorists. To the point where anything that has to do with terrorism fighting terrorism is OK. The American people are sacraficing thier liberty for "security" or a false of security. Benjamin Franklin once said those who are willing to sacrafice security for liberty deserve neither.

First of all - I don't see that happening in our lifetime. Second, this tracking thing could eventually turn into a device that would inform the authorities anytime you commit something illegal (speeding, running lights, etc.). I suppose that if this device is only meant for tracking - I really wouldn't have a problem with it. If you aren't doing anything wrong, why would you care? However, this raises yet another concern - the definition of "wrong" could be skewed against you.

ORIGINAL: AgentofDarkness

ORIGINAL: Roto

I willdie fightingbefore someone will do that to me and that is such bull****. **** that.


I've been against the Patriot Act since its inception. The Patriot Act (and later the Patriot Act II) was passed shortly after 9/11 to give the Federal Government power to fight "terrorism". Nobody in Congress fought the Patriot. Why? Because if they didn't they would be thought of as soft on terrorism. What does the Patriot Act allow? The federal government can tap phones and search anything at any time for any reason without a warrent. The federal government can detain (put in jail) anyone for any reason at any time for an indefinate amount of time without charging you for any crime and without a trial of any sort. There are plenty of people who are sitting in jail right now for this reason. Everyone says its not happening. Not only is it happening, we are sitting back and allowing it to happen. Roto said he will die fighting, nobody is fighting. It seems that today we are more afraid of a threat of terrorism than protecting our right to privacy and civil liberty. This administration has scared the American people ****less of terrorists. To the point where anything that has to do with terrorism fighting terrorism is OK. The American people are sacraficing thier liberty for "security" or a false of security. Benjamin Franklin once said those who are willing to sacrafice security for liberty deserve neither.



Agent, I will do as I said.

I wouldn't care at all, really. I do not build bombs and I dont steal. That video sounds like propaganda, though... they said they can "TAKE YOUR MONEY AT WILL".... the IRS can do that right now if they want! The video was the biggest slippery slope I have ever heard! But they arent putting any chip inside of me. That one I will fight.

That Video is so misleading. The Real ID act has nothing to with implanting chips into people. Its about using the RFID technology to put a chip on everyones drivers license. The idiots that made that video are just trying to scare everyone. Google Real ID act and do some reading. It has absolutely nothing to do with implanting chips in you.

Alot of people say that they have nothing to hide. However, I don't think that is the point. The point is that the government has no right to track its citizens (even if the chips are in DLs). I think that the slippery slope argument is a valid one. The Nazi party in Germany did not take control of Germany over night, they did it slowly. I think that it is our duty as citizens to preserve every right we are given by the bill of rights. The bill of rights exists for a reason and allowing it to be eroded does not help anyone. As for the argument of we will not see it happen in our lifetime. If everyone that came before us had the same mentality then we would have been really screwed by now. And to roto, I didn't mean to offend you and I have full belief that you would fight to defend your rights. However, the problem is that alot of the stuff that is happening is happening under the noses of the public. Most of the people do not know what the Patriot act allows the government to do because the media does not cover it at all. Nobody knows about the people who are sitting in prison right now but have not been charged with any crime because the government will not release that information.

any one read the bible mark of the beast ring a bell

ORIGINAL: brokenarmboy19

any one read the bible mark of the beast ring a bell


That's what they said about SSN's...

Anyway, I don't believe tracking citizens is right inany way, shape, or form (even if it is just tracking their liscences). I also don't think this will happen for a long time.