So i live right in the middle of Redneck Haven, USA. So imports are few and far between. At my high school the "imports" consist of a few FORD Probes, Saturn's, and one just terrible CHEVY Cavalier. So much for imports!!!!! I have killed all of them in one way or another. But just the other day something just hilarious happened. A Teal 95 cavalier showed up with a plastic spoiler taller than the roof line, WalMart spinners, white wall tires, Checker Auto APC muffler, and the best of it all; It was loaded with spoon, mugen, DOHC VTEC, and HKS stickers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So naturally i follow him out of school and tell him to pull into a parking lot. I gave him the usual sh#t and offer him a race. He agreed, bad choice!!! I gave him two car lenghts and just worked him over!!! and just before the race he questioned my car having VTEC. I literally gave him at least 5 examples and he still didn't believe me. I'm sure you all have had to put up with this but i just had to tell you guys. I won't take credit for the win either, that's how bad it was!!!!!

Dont you know? Every sticker gives you an extra 15 hp. Guess he needed more stickers. I killed a cavalier that lives by my girlfriend about as bad as you did. Its just funny seeing them get mad. I guess he thought his altezzas and wal-mart muffler gave him a fighting chance against my Si. So much for that. Good kill. Take credit. Just teaching him a lesson.

yea cavaliers, slow. I killed one that was a 5speed with my auto civic, once from 45, and once from dead stop. Man, it was like he wasn't even movin, I swear, he must have thought I had some kind of FI.

I just beat one up tonight because he wouldn't let me over a lane so I could turn left up ahaid. Then we got a redlight and I had to be over to the left at the next light so I smoooooked him.:D

haha, funny you should mention that. I was in Sandusky last saturday leaving Cedar Point, and this dude in a cavalier pulls up next to, gives me a nod, and then floors it. What he didnt know, is that i saw him coming, and left my car in second gear at about 40 mph. Well, needless to say when i stomped on it i pretty much FLUNG past him and he just stared in amazement. My car is NOT fast, but it sure shocked the crap outta him

what are you running forty?

ORIGINAL: dj_ipirate

what are you running forty?


D16Y8, cat-back, aem cai... thats it. I shot past because i was already at about 4700rpm's, so when i stomped on it i was gone.

A Teal 95 cavalier
Why God allowed that color in the visible spectrum I do not know [:'(].

i raced a Z24 cav. Id say i pulled an aircraft carrier lenght on his a$$.

Ok, I have a few things to say, first off, I drive a 02 Cavalier. If anyone wants to see pics, let me know. I'm not into bragging about my car or anything and I am a lover of a lot of different types of cars including Hondas. I believe that any car can be made nice if tasteful mods are performed. As for the story, a lot of Cavalier drivers do very horrible things to their cars(stickers, etc) so don't base your judgement on those cars. I have seen 12930932423 Hondas just like that, far more than any other car I believe. There are many nice J-bodies out there and also lots of quick ones. z24 Cavaliers are not slow stock compared to your Hondas stock. Mid 15's, sometimes low 15's stock. Boost it and there running 13's. Internals and fuel mods 12's etc.....there are guys who do this on their daily drivers. So that being said, try not to judge a certain type of car by the number of ****ty ones you have seen. Enough said.

funny thing happened the other day.


i was driving my automatic 2001 corolla, and this kid in a new civic pulled up next to me. i want to say he was driving an auto, because it certainly didn't seem like he was shifting with his arm hanging out the window.

anyway...he sits there revving his stock civic(i know it wasn't an Si but i don't keep up with model designations...you people have way too many for one frickin car) at the light like he wants to race. i'm thinking ok, this kid's an idiot. the light turns green, and i romp on it. i'm not sure if his reaction time sucks or what, but i heard that poor little 1.7L screaming its heart out...and i still walked him.

now i know that's not saying much, since that 1.7L is pretty slow...but i've also seen Z24s walk Si's very easily. just because it's got that particular name attached to it, doesn't mean it's "slow" by any stretch of the imagination. there are plenty of cavaliers with FI, nitrous, the whole nine yards - and they respond disgustingly well to intake/exhaust modifications.

what amuses me more is the V6 z24s are pretty frickin quick cars, and i've seen ungodly amounts of stock Civic drivers mock them - don't underestimate them, kiddos. ;) with maybe $200 in modifications, they can EASILY push 200HP and 200 torque - to the wheels on both counts.

moral of my post? don't expect a car to be slow because it's a cav, a corolla, or a civic. they're ALL slow by default...but if the driver's worth anything, they'll win regardless of the vehicle.

dont forget your boasting a 1.8 with only 3 more hp.

and that, medear, is the point i'm trying to make. y'all dis cavaliers, when they're in the same echelon as your and my cars. at that level, it's more about the driver than the vehicle...


though i do want to add one thing. in the situation of a 5spd cav vs an auto civic...i find it hard to believe the civic won, unless the cav driver either wasn't trying, or didn't know how to launch/shift. stock for stock the cav is faster.

though i do want to add one thing. in the situation of a 5spd cav vs an auto civic...i find it hard to believe the civic won, unless the cav driver either wasn't trying, or didn't know how to launch/shift. stock for stock the cav is faster.

If you think Im bull crapin you about me totally owning a cavalier you are wrong my friend, I do NOT lie, and I dont mistake about a race. The thing is, that I wasn't stock in the first place when I killed that cav, and like I said, he was beat from 45, and a dead stop. No competititon.
If you haven't seen my mod list, look below.

I dont have anything agains cavaliers, but he had a Z24 sticker on his car, and he wanted to race, so I gave it to him.

thats not really true...when i had my civic stock i went and was racing my friends cav down the high way and i had him beat by maybe 2 and half car lengths...and were both auto. i have an 03 ex and he had an 04. by any means im not saying anything bad about cavs but i would still stick with honda just because i know there great and reliable

ORIGINAL: snoochiebooches

though i do want to add one thing. in the situation of a 5spd cav vs an auto civic...i find it hard to believe the civic won, unless the cav driver either wasn't trying, or didn't know how to launch/shift. stock for stock the cav is faster.


I think part of his point was that he thought the driver was an idiot.
my interpretation anyway

I suppose some drivers are idiots, but to the point that you dont know when to shift is pretty damn stupid. I guess some people shift at 4000 rpms when racing. hmm I dont know

ORIGINAL: Civic03

thats not really true...when i had my civic stock i went and was racing my friends cav down the high way and i had him beat by maybe 2 and half car lengths...and were both auto. i have an 03 ex and he had an 04. by any means im not saying anything bad about cavs but i would still stick with honda just because i know there great and reliable


I try not to argue on the internet, it makes me feel retarded everytime, but I just don't believe that. An 03+ cavalier/sunfire have the 2.2 Ecotec engine which puts out 140/140 hp/torque and weigh about 2600lbs. The EX civic has what 127hp and weighs 2800lbs. I'v raced a buddies 2004 civic before with a CAI and catback and he has a 5 speed and I have a bone stock auto sunfire with about 200lbs of subwoofer in the trunk, and I beat him by about a car length. So you beating a car with more hp/torque and less weight, [:@]

The common misconception about cavaliers and sunfires is before 2003, they were slow pieces of ****. They had a SOHC 2.2 with 110hp, thats like racing a civic DX [:@]. The 03-05 cavaliers and sunfires though are pretty quick stock, high 15s auto, mid 15s 5-speed. Not only that the Ecotec engine is a phenominal engine, and is quickly taking the NHRA as the new small block engine of choice. 1000+ hp on a stock block is nothing to sneeze at. No matter, the jbody is dead once and for all, amen.

i agree to the amen - they really were nothing but tincans...but MAN did i have fun in my 3.1L. that little car was owning quite a few cars on the road before i got her. the best part about that car is it cost me $500 and came with a free spec stage 2/3 clutch. i want to say the clutch was most of that price....:D


anywhat. the newer cavs have a punch, as did the 3.1L if it had a straight pipe. MAN did the v6 respond well to mods...


and to the gentleman who said he'd take a civic over a cav any day because of reliability - i'd beg to differ. the boyfriend's 2.8L V6 has 220k miles on her on the original motor...mine had over 250, and had recently gotten a new motor because she was being driven from Maryland to Massachusetts frequently. if she stayed in MD, she'd have been good for another 50k or so.

ORIGINAL: fast93civic

If you think Im bull crapin you about me totally owning a cavalier you are wrong my friend, I do NOT lie, and I dont mistake about a race. The thing is, that I wasn't stock in the first place when I killed that cav, and like I said, he was beat from 45, and a dead stop. No competititon.


first off - i don't know you, so i'm not really able to pull the BS flag...i will say, though, that generation of Z24(assuming it's a third gen) has 150HP at the crank...so i assume you have around the same, or you're just that much better at launching. how did you account for the Civic's lack of torque?

the last true Z24 was produced in 1994, when the last 3.1L V6 rolled off the line. call me a collector of pooptastic cars, but i'd love to get my hands on it, just to tell people they were owned by the last real Z24.

Hey cavvy experts, can you explain to me why it is that every Cav/Sunfire owner i've ever seen has to drive ghetto style with the seat leaned way back and one hand on the wheel?

splain that to me, only change cav to civic owners. ;)

wow, awesome comeback dude


I was just joking anyway. None of the civic drivers i know would be caught dead driving like that. Ricers, yes, anyone who knows anything about performance/racing, not a chance

did you miss the wink?

calmate...i was joking as well. i didn't come here to start anything with anyone. besides...ANYONE who truly knows how to drive won't sit like that. i don't care who they are, what they drive, OR what gender they happen to be.


oh...and by the way...i'm not a dude. i lack the dangly bits to fit into that category. ;)

wow, dangly bits, nicely put. I was just giving you guys a hard time cause you were defending cavvys so much. I'm kind of a sarcastic asshat, so just ignore what i say:D


The cavvy that i talked about racing towards the top of this thread, was definitely not a z24, and i would estimate it was probably a 2001? I know nothing about these cars so i don't know for sure what year it was. But the guy was drivin' ghetto style and my second gear owned him.

i, too, am sarcastic...but i tend to tread lightly when i'm a newb.

regardless...yes, if it was an 01, then it was an eco, and probably some dumbass kid who got the car because either that's what mom and dad gave him, or that's what he could afford. blah. i'm not a fan of the ecos, regardless of their capabilities...i'd prefer a 1.6L corolla that can corner like anything over an ecotec. then again, that might come from working for chevy for awhile - i saw ecos come in frequently in their infancy, when GM was still working the kinks out. the eco that's in some saabs, the cobalt, the ion, and the HHR is a nice motor, and i could see myself owning one of those if they weren't in such fugly cars.

by the way - i'll defend any car that's being mercilessly downed, unless it's a Metro or something equally as crappy. as with all compact cars with sub-200HP output, it depends on the driver. feel free to make fun of a douchebag driver - just leave the car out of it. the car is nothing but a victim of stupidity.

bleh.. i dunno, i'm an import guy through and through. I'll never go domestic.

i used to say the same, till i dated the guy with the first 4 cylinder cav to hit 13s. he changed my mind...and working for a chevy dealership reinforced it.


...now if only i can get the money together to buy that LS1 i've been slathering over, i can start the RXLS1 project. mmm mmm tasty.

first off - i don't know you, so i'm not really able to pull the BS flag...i will say, though, that generation of Z24(assuming it's a third gen) has 150HP at the crank...so i assume you have around the same, or you're just that much better at launching. how did you account for the Civic's lack of torque?

Well, the thing is that sticker he had was just a sticker, it wasn't a real Z24, and I knew that, just a regular cav. My friend with a 98 Huyndai Elantra raced his buddy with a 2002-2003 cav, and the Cavalier beat him by like half a car length, and that elantra is pretty slow, both were autos.

ahhhh...that clarifies it a great deal.

those have a standard of 120 hp at the crank. i'd expect your civic to whup him.

ORIGINAL: Forty04

haha, funny you should mention that. I was in Sandusky last saturday leaving Cedar Point


off topic but THAT's where we should have a HCF meet :)

ORIGINAL: mxs

ORIGINAL: Forty04

haha, funny you should mention that. I was in Sandusky last saturday leaving Cedar Point


off topic but THAT's where we should have a HCF meet :)


HELL YEAH! I'd be down for going again. I rode the millenium force when it was pitch black outside, talk about a rush

Forty....asshat? I thought I was the only person in the world to say that! lol

ORIGINAL: Honda_man

Forty....asshat? I thought I was the only person in the world to say that! lol


Me too! What the hell?

ORIGINAL:snoochiebooches

i used to say the same, till i dated the guy with the first 4 cylinder cav to hit 13s. he changed my mind...and working for a chevy dealership reinforced it.


Wow. You're pretty easily convinced, which to me suggests a lack of research and experience. Anyone can hate Cavaliers or any other domestic because they're American, but to people like myself, it's not about the name or the country of origin. It's about the quality and engineering. There is NO QUESTION or doubt in any logical automotive mind that American cars were and still are still built at a significantly lower level of quality than Japanese cars in terms of engineering, materials, tuning, refinement, and quality control. So, if your boyfriends can make you change your mind on something like that just because of what they drive, I have no question but to label you an absolute amateur.

I completely agree with Kappa... I had actually wanted a dodge neon for awhile until i did (extensive... yes, EXTENSIVE) research on from people I TRUST on their reliability... (I only wanted one, cuz I could afford it...hideous little monsters....) chevy's and fords both have their mistakes too... focuz's aren't bad, but underpowered--you know that an SVT focus only makes 170? thats ten more than a new Scion Tc(which I would definately own in a few years if the price on used ones comes down :) )

anyways... I got wayyyy off topic. sorry. I was just saying, that from my experience, most japanese cars are built with better engineering... (they are mostly math geniuses, you know... and they have WAY better test scores than that of americans too)... its just like the case of the mitsubishi... when they were japanese their motors were well known for their reliability and ability to take loads of power from F/I w/o a problem....now... well... lol the new ones have some major issues.... plus...they're ugly(thats beside the point)... well... I'm sure I've pissed some people off, so I'll shut up now. [&:]

Yeah, the truth tends to hurt the ignorant from time to time. :D

Just playin' peoples. But he is right.

as far as the cavs are concerned - when you get past the water pump issue, they run just as well as any civic or corolla.

i should know. i frickin work on them.

if i were "easily convinced" then i'd be driving an SRT4 because, well, you all know they can nevAr lose, right? bullcrap.

i never said cavaliers were well built cars. i never said they were the best car out there. i said that i would consider owning another second generation phase 2 Z24 because they're fast enough to make me happy, and respond VERY well to modification...and the 3.1L powerplant is just as bulletproof as the 1.6L engines in the corollas of the 80s and early 90s.

FURTHERMORE(yes, i thought of this after the fact) - i've had more friends with problematic Civics than i have those with Cavs. maybe it's because the cavalier drivers take better care of their cars, but i certainly am not a fan of newer civics. i think the last time they looked halfway decent was in the mid-90s...and keeping in mind that insurance is stupidhigh on them, as well as high theft rates...

nah. i'll stick with my Cav that'll cost me $500 to buy, another $500 to put it over 200 HP(and actually have torque to back that up), and have insurance that'll cost about $1/year(if added to my current policy, it raises my total annual amount a whopping dollar. can't say the same for a Civic). if it's meant to be a fun track car, who cares about interior? that would be ripped out anyway. if it's a track car, the suspension would be changed anyway - so the stock suspension wouldn't be a factor.

understand that we're coming from two sides of the spectrum - but i'm not a car snob. i WILL consider chevys if i'm forced to drive a domestic. i see their repair records firsthand, and aisde from a few slight issues here and there, the cav is generally a solid car. i can't say the same for even my 2001 Corolla, which has had constant issues since the day i brought it home from the dealer. so much for your Japanese Engineering theory.

Ok, so you work on Cavaliers... at a dealership no less. From experience, people at dealerships really don't know s**t about the cars they sell or the parts that go on them. Not compared to a real mechanic, anyway. I work on anything with wheels for a living, foreign or domestic, doesn't matter what country or year it's from. So guess where I get my information? Real life.

no - when i worked at the dealership i was in the office. i work on the cars themselves out of my driveway. guess what. my information is from real life too.


want a cookie? ;)

Ah. My mistake. But that doesn't change the facts.

at least you're man enough to admit a mistake. :)

i will NEVER claim i know everything about every car...and every car has its downsides. i prefer one car over another, just like you. i guess we can agree to disagree here?

Indeed we can. But I warn you, there are a lot of others here who think like me, so tread carefully... ;)

Just kidding. We're all nice people. :D

wow.

this is definitely a much better forum than those i'm used to...a fight/dispute can stay civil here without blowouts?




is that NORMAL for a forum??? [sm=dontgetit.gif]

As well as being damn fine automobiles, imports also breed very curteous and intelligent drivers. ;)

heh.

if only that statement rang true for the rest of the retardweb.

i think this has been postjacked!

In a major way...

oopsie. [:o]

Eh. No worries. Happens all the time.

It's funny because we just had (basically) this same "fight" with Nikki last week...

Nikki?


...does she drive a Sunfire? [:-]

she's 16 and doesn't drive anything, is going to get an 06 Civic but "not because they're fast, if I wanted something fast I wouldn't get a Civic." 100+ posts later the thread got locked :D

ohhh...ok. got scared for a second there...

but i certainly am not a fan of newer civics. i think the last time they looked halfway decent was in the mid-90s...and

Thank you, I take that as a slight compliment, well, even though we have different views on Cavaliers, at least its a Chevy;)

;)

Kappa and Honda, asshat is a fairly commonly used term where i'm from, picked it up on a local forum:D


And i agree with these guys. Its not the fact that its origin is the u.s. or that it says chevy or ford on the side that turns me off to them. Its the overall lack of inspiration that goes into them. Everytime they come out with a new one, its got two or three items that appeal to the masses (and by masses i mean the average people looking for a little car with a little speed that know nothing about the way cars work). So they put new taillights on it and called it a cobalt, big ****in' deal, its still just another uninspired, awkward american made vehicle.

ORIGINAL: Forty04
So they put new taillights on it and called it a cobalt, big ****in' deal, its still just another uninspired, awkward american made vehicle.


lol, I'd say changing the entire platform of the car is a little bit more then changing the taillights =]

The Cobalt SS is a nice, fast(by comparison) car

agreed...and the SS is pretty fun to drive. hell...even the n/a 2.4L SS is more fun than a stock cav.

The 96'-99' Cavvy z24 LD-9 motor puts out 150 hp and 150 tq and its pretty quick.

Alright, we don't need to bump these threads from over a year ago.