RE: Killed a mustang!
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RE: Killed a mustang! - 7/13/2006 9:04:38 PM
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phoenix_gtr
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Man, for hp output, honda still hold the highest hp per liter NA. And again I have to mention this all those engine are built for turbo. It's understandable if theyre capable of more hp upgrade. Honda' engines are never made for FI until now.
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RE: Killed a mustang! - 7/13/2006 9:14:15 PM
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AllForSRT
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I agree srt-4 has the best bang for the buck but they engine is not that special.
could you elaborate on that? 
whats not so special about it? Im just curious as to what you know about the gen 1 2.4 SRT motor to make such a conclusion
and if your wondering if this is a trap, you would be correct.
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RE: Killed a mustang! - 7/13/2006 9:28:01 PM
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Marty
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im not putting down honda engines...for the most part, honda engines run the nopi show...but i posted that 1st gen neon because someone made a comment about how the srt4 is fast because of the turbo...so i posted a 10 second, NA 2.4L dodge engine...
and marty, while i am aware that there are faster hondas (they do sponsor the class) i think that saying "so and so runs 9s" is a bit biased...while there are lots of guys who have achieved certain plateaus of performance, in many cases, those numbers cannot be replicated except in ideal conditions. i was REALLY impressed by the cars at the nopi event, and there were cars in the 9s in the NA class...but at the same time, i have to disagree with the comment about honda making the best 4 cylinders, from a strictly performance standpoint...in the outlaw classes, there arent even competitve hondas. HART has a fast ass civics, but its no where near the performance of the toyota, mazda, and mitsu powered cars..
in the street tire class, shepard racing ran in the 7s...and brent rau ran in the 6.90s at over 200mph (almost as fast as the NHRA pro stock class running 500 cubic inch V8s)...making them the two fastest cars in those respective classes....what do those 2 cars have in common?
I understand that but I am speaking of N/A 4cyl's youy will get no argument from me about boosting something like say a 4G63 or a Rotory which in the end were built foor forced induction.
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RE: Killed a mustang! - 7/13/2006 9:42:40 PM
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Patrick
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last time that i checked, they didnt ask what power adder was being used at the dragstrip or road course...fast is fast...
also, most of the fast hondas that i have seen at local tracks..im talking regular every day joes with built civics...were running FI...
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RE: Killed a mustang! - 7/13/2006 9:51:42 PM
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AllForSRT
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last time that i checked, they didnt ask what power adder was being used at the dragstrip or road course...fast is fast...
also, most of the fast hondas that i have seen at local tracks..im talking regular every day joes with built civics...were running FI...
Comes with the territory. Until Honda makes a turbo'd sport compact to be sold in the USDM there will be those who always bring up the fact that Hondas are NA and make more hp/liter and have this and that blah blah blah all the while im the one to reach the end of the 1/4 first. Then there is the, but can it corner question? lol  its a vicious cycle.
and it is true most people who are racing fast Hondas are using FI. How many All Motor civics do you see running respectable times compared to FI Hondas? Thats says it all right there. FI is the economical way to go fast.
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RE: Killed a mustang! - 7/13/2006 11:31:47 PM
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phoenix_gtr
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ORIGINAL: phoenix_gtr
I agree srt-4 has the best bang for the buck but they engine is not that special.
could you elaborate on that?
whats not so special about it? Im just curious as to what you know about the gen 1 2.4 SRT motor to make such a conclusion
and if your wondering if this is a trap, you would be correct.
Hahahaha, yea, I dont know as much about it as you because I dont own it. I know it has a price about the Si, turbo, 230whp (not AWD, so dont compare w Evo please). I didnt say it's not special, I said it's not "that" special. The RSX-S or 06 Si has 200 hp w 400cc less and yeah no turbo. For that price it's hard to beat. You're not gonna tell me to STFU arent u cuz I dont own one. You know so much about it so enlighten me. What make it the car everybody want?
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RE: Killed a mustang! - 7/14/2006 12:37:47 AM
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Marty
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last time that i checked, they didnt ask what power adder was being used at the dragstrip or road course...fast is fast...
also, most of the fast hondas that i have seen at local tracks..im talking regular every day joes with built civics...were running FI...
Comes with the territory. Until Honda makes a turbo'd sport compact to be sold in the USDM there will be those who always bring up the fact that Hondas are NA and make more hp/liter and have this and that blah blah blah all the while im the one to reach the end of the 1/4 first. Then there is the, but can it corner question? lol its a vicious cycle.
and it is true most people who are racing fast Hondas are using FI. How many All Motor civics do you see running respectable times compared to FI Hondas? Thats says it all right there. FI is the economical way to go fast.
I sir am not bringing up hp per liter, or the SRT4's engine not being as good because it is boosted. I am just saying name another 4 cyl 2.4 or lower that is N/A that has as much ability as a honda engine. I am talking a fair comparo,. N/A vs N/A, displacement vs displacement. Like take a fully built N/A K20A vs say a fully built N/A 4g63, or a fully built B16A vs say a fully built dohc 1.6 out of the Miata.
I know what a SRT4 is able to do, I have spent many many post defending it and think Dodge was absolutly retarded for stopping production of it.
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You know you like to turn every thread into a "why you hatin on the SRT4 thread" I for one do not hate on the SRT4 and am not a blind Honda fan. I am in no way saying you are the reason that some threads become heated and closed/deleted but you sure as hell do not help matters most of the time. Matter of fact i have no flipping idea how in the hell this "I killed a Mustang" thread got to the subject of the SRT4 and dont really care but I think it is stupid. All cars have their pro's and con's. Honda's make **** for tq, and SRT4's resale value is worse than a pair of Nike's from foot locker.
I am not debating the SRT4's ability, it is boosted. I am stating that all motor $ for $ that the reworked 420A sitting in the SRT4 in N/A form would not and has never put up a fight against the K series from Honda. And if you want to talk boosted I have seen a guy with a GT35 on a K24 from a new accord/crv/pilot lay down over 600whp on all stock componets. Dodge did good with the SRT4, it was a quick jab in the eye of alot of companies but by no means was it or is it any kind of real threat to any of the big players in the sport compact drag racing or road racing scene. If anything Toyota's developement of the TC is hitting the SCC classes at the drag strip and the Miata is killing in road course/auto x series. The SRT4 is doing nothing but running dyno numbers up and giving alot of teenagers big heads
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