The K20 is a great engine, but dont get me wrong... this loser thinks he can take a SRT-4, he's crazy! Its a pretty good vid if you like the quick neon. I personally wouldnt but a dodge.</P>


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dude those things are damn quick. i would like to take on out and play with it for a bit. but polo is right its a chrysler product. i know people that have regular non raced neons that cant break 100k miles w/o major issues. how would a car that will be tore up last near that long??</P>


the neon will def win for now</P>


those things are made 10 miles from my house. belvidere, IL</P><edited><editID>green98lxsedan</editID><editDate>38127.6374652778</editDate></edited>

127k and our 00 neon is still kickin with no major probs. take care of the car and itll be aight. as far as the srt-4 is concerned. lemme see, 4dr, turbo, under 20g. ill take that over the evo or wrx. mainly for something to play with while on the grocery run. but id still rather drop that 20k under the hood of my crx.

The SRT-4 is the quickest in its class... Ive seen them in the low 12's with just a few mods, but its a turbo... what do u expect. Definately the most bang-for-buck out right now.

my roomate's got one and guess who does all the work on it...not him, none the less it is a fast car. He ran his first weekend at the strip this season and got sponsored by discount tire already.

well he better learn some stuff quick then. what company sponsered him??

sweet, how much are they paying him?

with all the talk ive been hearin about these things i think its time to take a test drive. maybe il be makin a trip to belvidere today. saw a red one on the lot last nite.

13's stock... thats quick enough for me, and under $20 grand. Hard to beat

Hey green lol in case you missed it

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and got sponsored by discount tire already.


Polo, they are not "paying" him anything, he gets 90% of his slicks payed for and 90% of his rims payed for.

i tell fools not to mess around with srt4's unless they want to possibly get thier rears handed to em.

Other than being damn quick... the cars is plain as hell. The interior sucks and its still a "neon"

oh damn dude just kinda looked right over that part

It's cool green, I figured that's what happened. On that note, the only way for us to take the srt's is full motor build and turbo...hell for that price we might as well buy an srt4

A modded civic will take a modded SRT4 anyday. They offer too many parts for Civics!

There is a peice of crap neon, and a new pretty srt-4 in my town, I raced the crappy one and lost my $$$, looks and sounds like crap, stock and all no pw steerin, no ac, complete engine rebuild, smoked me my freinds prelude, and the srt-4.

a modded k20a2 will get an srt-4 (and its turbo) im cool.

way to revive an almost year old thread[sm=smiley35.gif]

Did not even relize that , aint that funny
:D

Its a neon thats fast big deal. And better than that its a dodge.but at the track i hit 14.3,14.4 all day and them neons dont run much better than that best 13.8 stock.and all i have is a b16 in my quick crx with intake and exhaust and fuel upgrade.and now to the part of how long it will last because u know damn well everyone is beating the crap out of their cars so lets wait till 50 or 60k and see how good they hold up. Wile we all know that a honda will run for 100k wile beating the hell out of it.

ORIGINAL: qukcrx

Its a neon thats fast big deal. And better than that its a dodge.but at the track i hit 14.3,14.4 all day and them neons dont run much better than that best 13.8 stock.and all i have is a b16 in my quick crx with intake and exhaust and fuel upgrade.and now to the part of how long it will last because u know damn well everyone is beating the crap out of their cars so lets wait till 50 or 60k and see how good they hold up. Wile we all know that a honda will run for 100k wile beating the hell out of it.

auctally, no. the SRT-4 is NOT a neon. the body looks the same, but it isnt. why would dodge make the srt-4 and neon diffrent cars on the dodge site if they were the same? i cant stop stressing this fact.

anyways, [sm=smiley35.gif] to the guy who bumped this.

i'm sorry i have a '97 hatch w/'99 b16 heavily modded and An SRT-4...........my stock srt would hand my modded civic its ass any day. However now my srt-4 is modded and not too many vehicles have a chance. if your talking about reliabilty my srt has 21,000 and have yet to have a problem. For a civic to out run my srt its gonna have to pretty damn badass

Match the displacements up a little better (GSR motor), equalize them (by putting a turbo on the Civ) and mod it as close to the same as possible; SRT-4 won't stand a chance.

exactly.

I mean, anyone could climb in an SRT-4 and burn a Civic with I/H/E on it, but if you even up the score (even a little), the tables turn right around.

i mean th eSRT-4 is a great car, if youre into straightline performance, its hard to beat. but again i say, i like the curves. and put a stock RSX-S on good tires, and ill take that over an srt-4 for the twisties anyday. let alone a swapped, coilovered, and big-braked and boosted civic.

ORIGINAL: 690hp


auctally, no. the SRT-4 is NOT a neon.


Actually, it is called a Neon srt-4 so I would say its a neon

im pretty sure its based on the neon chassis, though im also pretty sure Mitsu had a hand (or a few hands) in on the motor design. i mean, look at the valve cover, its identical to the older eclipse non-turbo, 420A ones. and its on different links on th edodge site because its not in the same class or marketing segment as the other neons.

Yeah. No way Dodge could build a turbo-4.

well, a good turbo 4 anyway;) though it does still have a cast crank[:'(]

Mmmm.... ancient....

Match the displacements up a little better (GSR motor), equalize them (by putting a turbo on the Civ) and mod it as close to the same as possible; SRT-4 won't stand a chance.


preach bratha preach...lol

and the civic will still handle like a civic.

Dodge DID build a good turbo 4...back in the 80's...too bad they scraped it and used a mitsu 4 instead.

Are you talking about the Sundance 2.2T? I guess I could give you that... but that was in the 80s. Dodge was a completely different company (non of the delusions of grandeur that came with the Viper...)

auctally, no. the SRT-4 is NOT a neon. the body looks the same, but it isnt. why would dodge make the srt-4 and neon diffrent cars on the dodge site if they were the same? i cant stop stressing this fact.

Actually, it is a neon. Dodg took their most economical crappy car, and invested in under the hood primarily. This is how they kept the cost at $20K. Very easy when the rest of the car is a plain $12.5K car with an upgraded powerplant.

Honda should increase the displacement of the K20 to also 2.4, as well as super/turbo, but Honda doesn't believe in anything other than naturally aspirated engines. Also, supercharging/turbo will cut the life, reliability of the engine as well. Honda doesn't want to mess with it's pristine reputation.:eek:

People that say an SRT-4 isn't a Neon just completely baffle me. It's just a Neon on steroids.

ORIGINAL: lilol89crx

as far as the srt-4 is concerned. lemme see, 4dr, turbo, under 20g. ill take that over the evo or wrx.


Are you high??????????[:-]

ORIGINAL: civic_minded


Honda doesn't believe in anything other than naturally aspirated engines.

WRONG!

http://www.mid-citieshonda.com/assets/images/aquatrax_motor.jpg

wow. thats beautiful.

my friend has a dodge spirit turbo lol funny car was quick but not THAT qucik.

ORIGINAL: lilol89crx

as far as the srt-4 is concerned. lemme see, 4dr, turbo, under 20g. ill take that over the evo or wrx.

Because FWD is teh best?

I'd like an SRT

ORIGINAL: se7ensectoolate

ORIGINAL: lilol89crx

as far as the srt-4 is concerned. lemme see, 4dr, turbo, under 20g. ill take that over the evo or wrx.

Because FWD is teh best?


You think FWD is best or you ar e asking??

i think hes calling him out for comparing a FWD SRT-4 to AWD cars that out-class the SRT-4.

Yeah, one time I saw a srt-4 on a race track and...........



just kidding, that will never happen





























well, maybe.........................





















In GT4.

ORIGINAL: sacicons

i think hes calling him out for comparing a FWD SRT-4 to AWD cars that out-class the SRT-4.

Correct.

well heres what u can break this thread down to........brand new SRT4 will cost u say 20,000........and insurance will be high.


OR....................buy a 92-95 hatch or coupe with a blown motor....for say 2500$......get a K20 swap with a 6 SPEED tranny for 5,000.....and boost it for another 3,000 (for a good ass turbo setup.) Insurance will be cheap.....considering ur insuring a 1.6 liter Honda............so with the civic ur going to have a car that will have under 35,000 miles on it.....a 6 speed tranny........and um yea it will run low 11's. total price------------10,500........so almost half the price of the neon.....and nowhere near as ugly.....Se7en has a boosted (lol had) k20 in a 7th gen civic....runnin 11.7 in the 1/4.......so imagine what his setup would run in a hatch?............


so ud pay 20,000 for a 13 second neon?&gt; or 10,500 for a 11 second civic?.........even if u had everything professionally installed......it would still be cheaper than the neon.


Bottom line..............F#CK dodge (unless its a stealth TT or viper)

stealth TT is BARELY a dodge. its damn near a mitsubishi.

yea its pretty much a VR4........but still. lol id take it.


yo sacs what u think about my whole theory stated above?

ORIGINAL: pcupo12

well heres what u can break this thread down to........brand new SRT4 will cost u say 20,000........and insurance will be high.


OR....................buy a 92-95 hatch or coupe with a blown motor....for say 2500$......get a K20 swap with a 6 SPEED tranny for 5,000.....and boost it for another 3,000 (for a good ass turbo setup.) Insurance will be cheap.....considering ur insuring a 1.6 liter Honda............so with the civic ur going to have a car that will have under 35,000 miles on it.....a 6 speed tranny........and um yea it will run low 11's. total price------------10,500........so almost half the price of the neon.....and nowhere near as ugly.....Se7en has a boosted (lol had) k20 in a 7th gen civic....runnin 11.7 in the 1/4.......so imagine what his setup would run in a hatch?............


so ud pay 20,000 for a 13 second neon?&gt; or 10,500 for a 11 second civic?.........even if u had everything professionally installed......it would still be cheaper than the neon.


Bottom line..............F#CK dodge (unless its a stealth TT or viper)


Unfair to compare stock to modified cars. Aftermarket parts are better. You can get a used SRT-4 and put a Mopar(ts) stage whatever and have a dang fast car for under 20 k and very near your 10k. On top of that it wont be a 10 year old car. Plus if you insure your civic as a civic with a stock 1.6 motor and it get stolen (I know I know, civics never get stolen) your insurance company will give you money for another 92-95 civic with a 1.6 motor. Now your out 8k and have to drop another 8k and now nearing the 20k you were trying to stay under.

oh yeah...................F#CK the viper, cmon 20 valves??????? We have this thing called technology. VW 4 cylinders have as many valves.

ORIGINAL: LEVIII

ORIGINAL: pcupo12

well heres what u can break this thread down to........brand new SRT4 will cost u say 20,000........and insurance will be high.


OR....................buy a 92-95 hatch or coupe with a blown motor....for say 2500$......get a K20 swap with a 6 SPEED tranny for 5,000.....and boost it for another 3,000 (for a good ass turbo setup.) Insurance will be cheap.....considering ur insuring a 1.6 liter Honda............so with the civic ur going to have a car that will have under 35,000 miles on it.....a 6 speed tranny........and um yea it will run low 11's. total price------------10,500........so almost half the price of the neon.....and nowhere near as ugly.....Se7en has a boosted (lol had) k20 in a 7th gen civic....runnin 11.7 in the 1/4.......so imagine what his setup would run in a hatch?............


so ud pay 20,000 for a 13 second neon?&gt; or 10,500 for a 11 second civic?.........even if u had everything professionally installed......it would still be cheaper than the neon.


Bottom line..............F#CK dodge (unless its a stealth TT or viper)


Unfair to compare stock to modified cars. Aftermarket parts are better. You can get a used SRT-4 and put a Mopar(ts) stage whatever and have a dang fast car for under 20 k and very near your 10k. On top of that it wont be a 10 year old car. Plus if you insure your civic as a civic with a stock 1.6 motor and it get stolen (I know I know, civics never get stolen) your insurance company will give you money for another 92-95 civic with a 1.6 motor. Now your out 8k and have to drop another 8k and now nearing the 20k you were trying to stay under.

oh yeah...................F#CK the viper, cmon 20 valves??????? We have this thing called technology. VW 4 cylinders have as many valves.


You can quote me all u want...but even if u found a used SRT4 it would cost over 20K to make it run 11's..........bedies id take a 10 yr odl civic over a new SRT4 anyday (im refering to the one with the boosted k20)...............neons are fricken ugly.......mopar could make an SRT4 faster but its goin to cost u over 20K..........invest that money on the K20 and it will rape the srt4

ORIGINAL: pcupo12

Se7en has a boosted (lol had) k20 in a 7th gen civic

Parts are on order. New block, JE 9.0:1 pistons and Crower rods will be here early next week. The car WILL fire by the end of the month[sm=devilgrin.gif]

[sm=happy046.gif][sm=bounceybounce.gif] horay for se7en (what u pay for all of that)

Only around $1,400 or so. Paul bought me the block (as he should have).

EDIT- Jeez, I've put so much money into it, $1,400 doesn't seem like alot.

yea you have. Ive been meaning to ask u a Q too..................


Why the hell would u buy a brand new civic if u were goin to junk the motor anyway.......why not get an older one for cheaper?

Honestly, I didn't buy it with the intention of going fast. I wanted a decent daily driver for college. I liked the body style and I wanted something with lower miles than my 94 Accord. I also wanted a manual and a sunroof. I found it for a good deal with only 33,xxx miles. Bought it a day later for $10,750. It was my favorite color and was well taken care of. An older couple owned it and no longer needed it (too many cars). Only problems we're two dents in the hood and a scrape on the bumper. A few weeks later, I rode in my friends Talon TSi (you've already seen the transmission pictures lol) and the speed bug bit...HARD. I decided to find a K20 and drop it in. Boost came later and you guys know the story from there.

And I didn't junk the motor. It came in very handy over the past month:D

ORIGINAL: se7ensectoolate

Only around $1,400 or so. Paul bought me the block (as he should have).

EDIT- Jeez, I've put so much money into it, $1,400 doesn't seem like alot.


If you dont mind how much are you into it total?

hes probally between 8-9 grand

Probably somewhere around $8,500 not counting the car. That will jump when I start working on suspension and the like.

oh yeah...................F#CK the viper, cmon 20 valves??????? We have this thing called technology. VW 4 cylinders have as many valves.
new Viper has 40 valves[sm=badbadbad.gif] and i like the idea of the civic, but the used SRT would own it in DRAG racing.

The Viper is a good example of why American cars are still incredibly inferior to Japanese and European cars.

And as for the SRT-4... tsk tsk, gentlemen.

;)

why is this in sights and sounds?

I just cant respect a Viper anymore after I saw a N/A Miata, thats right I said Miata hand one his @$$ on the auto-X coaurse



Plus the new ones look too much like the new vettes, cant anyone create nything different anymore

some of the lasers had turbos

dont kid yourself. the lasers were mitsubishis.

sure glad to see this thread back, lol

ORIGINAL: sacicons

dont kid yourself. the lasers were mitsubishis.


http://www.edmunds.com/used/1992/plymouth/laser/2008/specs.html?tid=edmunds.u.prices.leftsidenav..6.Ply mouth*

actually we were both wrong (see link), but i was closer, heh heh. the laser was plymouth's, which shared the same platform with the eclipse in 1992 until eagle took over platform sharing in the next generation with the talon. dodge's version was called the daytona and it shared platforms with the laser before mitsubishi in the previous generation. the laser sported a turbo and pushed around 195 hp @ 6000 rpm in 1992. mitubishi also shared the 3000 gt platform with chrysler as the dodge stealth amongst other numerous shared platforms between chrysler and mitsubishi.

sorry sacicons, i just realized what you were saying its 6 am and i need to go to bed. ok you were saying the laser was mitu's technology right? so dodge cant claim any credit for it? heh heh, went over my head there. anyway i would agree on the eclipse platform. but the dodge daytona was on a completely different platform and i believe on a dodge designed drive train. it too was turboed but pushed 224 hp @ 6000 rpm.

My best friend in high school had a NA dodge daytona. Damn thing was always in the shop. Almost every mechanic he took it too would tell him these are the second worst cars to work on, the first, this with a turbo.

no problem. :D

dead thread revival.







auctally, no. the SRT-4 is NOT a neon. the body looks the same, but it isnt. why would dodge make the srt-4 and neon diffrent cars on the dodge site if they were the same? i cant stop stressing this fact.


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Jeezus!:eek: this is the first thread I find here?

Yes the SRT/4 is a Neon, yes Chrysler did build a decent turbo 4 without Mitsubishi (Daytona IROC, Spirit R/T actually Lotus was involved) and the 2.4 is Chrysler, It is based on the 420A not the Mitsubishi 2.4 4G60. Mitsubishi manufactures the turbo. Nothing else[&gt;:]

word

The SRT-4 IS a neon, and this thread just needs to die

welcome to the forum[sm=smiley24.gif], your first thread huh.