Ok heres the thing. this december i am geting a new Si are a cobalt ss/cc are a ion redline but i still cant make up my mine. i really like the Si but could it beat a stock ss/cc? If not than by adding a turbo to it could it? PPL are telling me that cobalt are honda killers but every one i talked to has had a stage 2 cc/sc and say thay kill hondas all the time. How does the new Si hold up to a srt-4 stock?
i dont know much about the srt. what mods would it talk to beat one?

a new si would lose (unfortunatley) because they are just a 2 liter na engine, an amazing one at that. the cobalts and ion are underratted and are pushing about 215 to the wheels. my frined at work has an ion redline, with an intake, header, 2.85' pulley, 42 pound injectors, and a pcm tune. its aat about 260 whp, and that was about 800 dollars worth of stuff, that thing moves if you can get traction. and an srt4 is a lot faster than a cobalt ss stcok.

but i would still choose the better car which is the si, and its not uncommon for people with mild bolt ons and a hondata k-pro ecu to be at about 230-240 whp with a k20

another question about those cars, are all ss cobalts supercharged, because i see a lot of cobalts with ss badges that look different.

not all ss's are sc'd, they ahve a 170 hp 2.4 engine

If its an ss I thought they were all supercharged??

the 4dr isnt supercharged...only the 2dr

i test drove a Colbalt SS at Hot Import Nights and it was not that cool... i would rather stick with a Civic SI any day.... i dont give a damn if they are slower, they'll last a whole lot longer and they are hella fun to drive!!!!!!!!!!!

SI with a strapped on turbo would rape the sc'd cobalt. Also, an srt-4 will rape all of these, but you lose the "nice" factor in favor of the "raw power" factor (i don't mind :P)

ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker

SI with a strapped on turbo would rape the sc'd cobalt. Also, an srt-4 will rape all of these,


Actually, a stock k20 boosted would give an SRT 4 a run for its money. If you had an equal build for both cars the K20 would yield more power, but the str4s AWD factor would make it a better race car from a dig. However, if you take a stock str 4 and line it up against a bolt on SI with KPro, it would be close.......esp from a roll

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but the str4s AWD factor would make it a better race car from a dig.


??? Are you talking about the new caliber srt-4?

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ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker

SI with a strapped on turbo would rape the sc'd cobalt. Also, an srt-4 will rape all of these,


Actually, a stock k20 boosted would give an SRT 4 a run for its money. If you had an equal build for both cars the K20 would yield more power, but the str4s AWD factor would make it a better race car from a dig. However, if you take a stock str 4 and line it up against a bolt on SI with KPro, it would be close.......esp from a roll


Sorry, I meant that the srt4 would rape all of the others stock. Maybe i wasn't as clear as i meant to be.

Iiii dunno.. I hung pretty tight with an SS/SC'ed cobalt the other day. WE didnt get any legitimate pulls, but when he blew past me, I cuaght up fairly quickly

^ If you're pushing what you think you're pushing, SS's are nothing. Unfortunately that T25 has a choked top end, but then again, so does the SC cobalt.

I've rape the SS cobalts, it's not even fair.

stock they aren't fast, but pretty quick, i don't like the way they drive or shift, kinda notchy and twitchy compared to an si or any honda for that matter. i had a redline ion for a few days last month, the power is great, and it is a good car to build, but the fun to drive factor isn't there for me, i would rather stick with my hondas any day of the week

i have a 99 ex with I/E and i beat a sc cobalt but i guess the driver sucked because in the 1/4 i beat him by like 2 cars. but i would go with the si over the other ones any day of the week. but i would rather a 99-00 si over any gen si. but thats just me

ORIGINAL: SovXietday

^ If you're pushing what you think you're pushing, SS's are nothing. Unfortunately that T25 has a choked top end, but then again, so does the SC cobalt.

I've rape the SS cobalts, it's not even fair.


You'd be suprised, I think this turbo is some sort of anomaly. My tuner was watching the boost during our last session, and it didn't drop off until 6700rpms. And even then, it was still at 7psi till 7200

Im not scared of coblats or srt4's :D

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ORIGINAL: SovXietday

^ If you're pushing what you think you're pushing, SS's are nothing. Unfortunately that T25 has a choked top end, but then again, so does the SC cobalt.

I've rape the SS cobalts, it's not even fair.


You'd be suprised, I think this turbo is some sort of anomaly. My tuner was watching the boost during our last session, and it didn't drop off until 6700rpms. And even then, it was still at 7psi till 7200


what you will find though, is that even though it is putting out that much boost, you aren't gonna be making much power up there because when the turbo is working harder, it is blowing hotter, thinner air.

heres an idea that my brother is doing, he is in the same debate as we speak. we went over all the pros and cons of both along with prices, both cars have there ups and downs. But he isnt getting eaither. he is getting the 2.4l ss coupe, which you can get for around 16$ and we are going to turbo his 2.4 which will give great gains, and when the project is done, you'll end up spending around the same money for the ss/sc or the si but the 2.4 w/ turbo will rape both of them. just an idea for ya

ORIGINAL: Forty04


ORIGINAL: SovXietday

^ If you're pushing what you think you're pushing, SS's are nothing. Unfortunately that T25 has a choked top end, but then again, so does the SC cobalt.

I've rape the SS cobalts, it's not even fair.


You'd be suprised, I think this turbo is some sort of anomaly. My tuner was watching the boost during our last session, and it didn't drop off until 6700rpms. And even then, it was still at 7psi till 7200


Kept making power untill 8400 for me

ORIGINAL: Marty


Kept making power untill 8400 for me


Yeah well at that rate my head would eat itself:D


.....that'll be changed soon enough though [sm=badbadbad.gif]

have u guys seen this video???.. civic Si vs Supra


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghPo8wSBj9Q

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ORIGINAL: SovXietday

^ If you're pushing what you think you're pushing, SS's are nothing. Unfortunately that T25 has a choked top end, but then again, so does the SC cobalt.

I've rape the SS cobalts, it's not even fair.


You'd be suprised, I think this turbo is some sort of anomaly. My tuner was watching the boost during our last session, and it didn't drop off until 6700rpms. And even then, it was still at 7psi till 7200


Kept making power untill 8400 for me


Eh? On what?

My stock cam stops making power at 7200, even with my baby eater.

D15B and the T25 Tony has

Wow, what was done to the head? I'm assuming the boost started dropping off that high up?

i dont car what any of you say the subaru wrx sti will crush all of those cars . PERIOd. even if they have aftermarket,. jsut strap a new turbo on it. and see ya. 0-60 in 4.218 seconds

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i dont car what any of you say the subaru wrx sti will crush all of those cars . PERIOd. even if they have aftermarket,. jsut strap a new turbo on it. and see ya. 0-60 in 4.218 seconds


wtf does that have to do with anything?

ORIGINAL: kman92civicsi

i dont car what any of you say the subaru wrx sti will crush all of those cars . PERIOd. even if they have aftermarket,. jsut strap a new turbo on it. and see ya. 0-60 in 4.218 seconds


That has nothing to do with this subject. After all, you can just slap a new turbo on a 911 an see ya.


^ See how that does nothing to pertain to the subject?

ORIGINAL: kman92civicsi

i dont car what any of you say the subaru wrx sti will crush all of those cars . PERIOd. even if they have aftermarket,. jsut strap a new turbo on it. and see ya. 0-60 in 4.218 seconds


I trap just as fast as an STi, and I have a total of 6grand in my car. Not to mention I'm running HALF the boost they are.

I don't run 13s flat because I can't cut a 1.7 60', period.

sick, iuno i jsut felt liek posting it , probly cause my dads was jsut TOTALLED by his coworker, damn i loved that car

stock the Cobalt ss/sc is putting down around 215hp. GMPP stage 2 kicks it up to 245hp to the wheels. Then theres the intense stage 5 package thats out that changes out the s/c pully to a 2.6 which will kick it up to 280hp. Hahn just released a twin charge kit but the dyno's havent been released on it yet.

the SS has the 170hp 2.4
the SS Supercharged has the S/C 2.0

right the n/a 2.4 is available in the 2 door and 4 door
ss/sc 2.0 is onl available in 2 door.

ORIGINAL: olv

stock the Cobalt ss/sc is putting down around 215hp.


It makes me feel good to konw my tiny little 1.6 with a midget hair dryer can keep up with, if not walk away from one :D

I really wish I could have gotten a legitimate pull on that car..

you need to remember the cobalt ss/sc was developed more towards autox. it was tested and everything at the famous neurbergring track in germany.

ORIGINAL: olv

you need to remember the cobalt ss/sc was developed more towards autox. it was tested and everything at the famous neurbergring track in germany.


that's fine, I'll take it down in the twisties too

Hey guys, I am a ION Redline owner. I am not here for trouble, so hear me out please :)

Anyways, some of you seem pretty well informed, which suprizes me because a lot of people say that the car is slow but in reality have never even seen one (there are only 5800 in existance).

That being said, the guy who stated they are underrated is extremely correct. GM bills the engine as 205 at the crank, but a lot of people have gotten 220whp stock (i got 223) and a few over 230.

Some one said that the ION/Cobalt runs out steam at the top end. This statement is completly false. In fact, my car builds power all the way to it's 7400 rpm redline. It would make more if I could rev it more (I need to get some valvesprings to do it reliably).

ALso, some one said that they are pretty cheap to mod, and this is true. A freind of mine has spent about $400 is go fast parts and puts down a hair over 270whp.

A lot of you said you like the driving feel in your honda better, and that may be true, but every cars handling charictoristics are different, and fit different peoples driving styles. I was concidering the new Si before I purchased my car. I perssonally did not like hoe it handles, but that was a personal prefferance, nothing else.

So basically I am here just to spread some knowledge, also, you can check out my site if you want to see what my car has www.LSJBuildUp.com

<<<<< also an ion redline driver, also not here for trouble or trolling, just some 4 cylinder performance talk :)


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heres an idea that my brother is doing, he is in the same debate as we speak. we went over all the pros and cons of both along with prices, both cars have there ups and downs. But he isnt getting eaither. he is getting the 2.4l ss coupe, which you can get for around 16$ and we are going to turbo his 2.4 which will give great gains, and when the project is done, you'll end up spending around the same money for the ss/sc or the si but the 2.4 w/ turbo will rape both of them. just an idea for ya



a 2.4 w/ turbo may keep up with a stock ion redline or cobalt ss/sc, but thats about where your 2.4 internals are pressed to thier limits. In the GM build book i believe the the rods used in the 2.4 blew apart at around 300 hp at the crank! so unless you plan on building up the motor, you will have hit a ceiling.

I love my IRL and wouldnt trade for anything short of a bently continental gt lol, but i must say that i am very impressed with the new SI's... they look mutch better than the hatchback si's imo, and the interior/dash is off the ****ing hook!

Welcome aboard guys, it's nice to have some level headed GM owners join to keep us informed of the competition.

What do the IRL's put down stock (I don't know much about them..)

I think he said about 220

gotcha.. I don't think I've actually even seen one in person.

Nice. The last time red line owners visited this forum was a bunch of retarded trolls.

ya, most IRL's are putting down between 205 and 220ish fwhp stock. some injectors, pully, intake and a good tune can get us in the 270-280ish to the front wheels range. only a couple out there have gotten into the motor and started making big numbers though, but only in the last 8-9 months have we really started getting some decent after market support though. you havnt seen one in person Forty04 most likly b/c there are only about 6000 of em out there give or take a hundred or so, but the cobalt ss/sc's are the same platform and im sure you have seen those around.

ORIGINAL: Ahriman
but the cobalt ss/sc's are the same platform and im sure you have seen those around.


Sure have, mostly in my rear view :D


That one was more than likely stock, but I gotta say even in stock form they move pretty good.

the ion redlien and the cobalt ss/sc are built on the delta platform that came from the opel astra. The differences between the 2 are that the ss/sc has a little bit better suspension.

If you really want a fast car that is going to run you the same price as the new Si or SS Cobalt just buy a Mazda Speed 3 for about $22,000. It's faster than both in stock form, I think it's a 13.9sec 1/4mi car right off the lot. With a few bolt-ons it would see mid 13's easily, with some tuning it could easily see low 13's.

i'v got a 06 si with a intake and exhaust and i take a local ss cobalt all the time... its pretty much the driver with us...

Telling you right now, SRT-4s are crap. Yea they are fast stock and with a tune they are pushing300's easy w/ simple bolt-ons. My friend had one and took it back to the dealership 3 times then getting the Lemon Law on it. Neons are crap. Srt-4s can beat a k20 stock easily, but the fact is the hondas hold up better anyday, power isnt always the winner, it depends whos engine can make it to the finish line first ;)

Obviously most people on this forum would say a Civic is gonna be faster than whatever. Here's my opinion; stock (fastest-slowest)
Mazdaspeed3,SRT-4, Cobalt Supachaged/Redline, Civ Si. Ya sure any car can be faster, you put a g in to a Civic, itll be faster, you put some slicks and a manual boost cont. (like $500 all together) on an SRT-4 it'll be faster,you put a pully ona supercharged car itll be faster. Civics are slow stock, thats just the way it is.I had a 93 d16 coop, now I own a 96 thunderbird w/a 4.6 modular engine, its faster, period, 280lbs of torq is vry nice:D. If you want a "fast" car go wit the galant vr4, all you need there is a boost controller and a cone filter (12+ lbs a boost stock) it should beat/keep up withgobalt sc's and beat civics. Civics are no doubt fun cars, but my vote is with the SRT-4, good for smokies, ugly headlights, boost is nice. sorry for the book

all those cars are faster than the civic si..but they are all also forced induction. charge the si, and i think it would be a different story.

Thats exactly my point, turbos are worth the money, and if you put forced induction into a Civic, its gonna be at least 500 bucks for a kit/setup, some non-forced induction cars are the Acura Cl Type-S Mustang GT's, Camaro(LS1 &LT1), Mark VIII's, teg Type R's, Rx7's, maybe even newer MR2's are faster cars, w/o forced induction. I guess the first and main post was Civic vs. Cobalt, i think a Cobalt would win fast wise, but the new civics are cool and K20's make lots of power...with money into them, so i go with Civic for that question

i think it will be well over 500 for the "kit" you are looking at a few 1000 bucks. in fact, the only turbo kit i know of for the current si isa little over 3000.

Idk what a kit for a new Civic would cost, but alot of cars should get fo.in. if they want it "fast" or faster. I dont have 3g's laying around after i buy a new car, so unless yer willing to stretch yer wallet for a turbo setup or whatever, Civics are going to be the more quick cornered fun revvy engine type, not the dude i cooked a camaro through like 4th type of car, in my point of view

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Thats exactly my point, turbos are worth the money, and if you put forced induction into a Civic, its gonna be at least 500 bucks for a kit/setup,


uhm...Lol. Yea, I wish $500. Maybe for that plastic SC from ebay + installation = $500 ;)

ORIGINAL: eyeh8hondas

If you really want a fast car that is going to run you the same price as the new Si or SS Cobalt just buy a Mazda Speed 3 for about $22,000. It's faster than both in stock form, I think it's a 13.9sec 1/4mi car right off the lot. With a few bolt-ons it would see mid 13's easily, with some tuning it could easily see low 13's.


13.4 (Upgraded) or about 13.7 actually :). %100 agree with you. Thats what I should of gotten. Things are niiiice