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my05civic
01-10-2007, 12:09 AM
Intake FAQ

Q: What intake should I get?
A: This is a very broad question. The answer to this really depends on a variety of things, including the money you’re willing to spend, the amount of power that you ultimately want, the climate around your location, and more.

Q: What is the best intake?
A: The best intake, from popular consensus seems to be the AEM v2. The AEM v2 is not a CAI but more of a SRI (at least it seems to be this way for newer vehicles [including the 7th gen civics] ). It is unquestionably that the v2 is pricy, but for the most power (proven by dynos) this is the way to go in terms of intake.

Q: If I get an intake, will it make my car more susceptible to hydrolock?
A: Technically, yes. However, unless you submerge your car to the point where the filter is constantly in contact with water, you’re not likely to mess up your car. I have experienced a flood before and my car has been in water that was 2ft deep. A WHOLE lot of water splashed onto my SRI but there was no damage.

Q: Should I get a short ram intake (SRI) or a cold air intake (CAI)?
A: Here’s the breakdown:
SRI
+ Easier to install; no need to take off bumper
+ Less chance of hydrolock
+ Adds a more aggressive sound
+ Slightly better throttle response compared to CAI
+ Usually cheaper than CAI
+ Looks cooler than CAI because you have a huge cone filter in your engine bay
- Warmer Air than CAI
CAI
+ Colder air; although it warms up a little as it goes up the tube
+ Adds a more aggressive sound
- More chance of hydrolock than SRI
- Throttle response is not a noticeable as a SRI (still there though)
- Need to remove bumper to install (this only applies to some cars)

Q: How much HP will I expect to gain from an intake?
A: From an intake alone, expect 2-4HP depending on the brand/type. AEM and other sites give dyno's that show 10 or so HP increase, but this is simply too good to be true: they most likely have OTHER mods installed when they did this dyno, thus skewing the results dramatically.

Q: How long does an intake take to install?
A: My first mod in my life was an intake. It was my first time ever working with a car but with instructions, it only took me an hour. The hardest part is getting off the factory air box; some bolts are difficult to get to without a torque wrench extension.

Q: Should I get a bypass valve?
A: A bypass valve is a device that attaches to a SRI or a CAI – its purpose is to prevent a car from hydrolocking. By installing it however, one restricts airflow, and the HP gained from the intake will most likely be cancelled out by the BPV.

Q: Will my gas mileage increase with an intake?
A: Yes. If you have it installed long enough, you’ll notice an increase of maybe 1 MPG.

Thanks Misha (http://www.hondacivicforum.com/showProfile.asp?memid=13167)

Q: Does an intake void my factory warranty?
A: If you install your intake incorrectly and you take it into the dealer, any components damaged directly because of your intake will be your fault, thus you WILL be responsible for the charges incurred. If your power windows are broken and they deny you warranty service, direct them to the Magnum Moss Law – this is illegal and this document will save you.

Q: Will I be okay with an eBay intake (generic/no-name brand)?
A: An eBay intake will not net you as much HP as another intake that has been created by a reputable company such as AEM or Injen. Big companies do extensive R&D (research and development) and as a result, their products are higher quality, they produce more power, and they fit perfectly. Ebay tubes sometimes aren't the ideal diameter wide (thus cutting power production) or are bent incorrectly, also cutting power. The only downside to buying from big companies is that their intakes usually run $200-$250 more than a no-name. If you still choose to get an eBay intake, here are a few tips: buy from a reputable seller; buy a quality filter to go with the tube; make sure it fits your specific vehicle.

Q: What quality filter’s can I use with my eBay tube?
A: The best ones to use are the AEM Dry-flow and the K&N filter. For my 05 LX civic, a K&N runs for about $40 w/shipping (http://www.autoanything.com/).

Q: Where can I get more information?
A: Wikipedia, Howstuffworks, and the links at the bottom all are great sources for more information about air intakes. The forums, as you might guess, are also excellent sources.

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AEM: http://www.aempower.com/
Injen: http://www.injen.com/
K&N: http://www.knfilters.com/
Password JDM: http://www.passwordjdm.com/ (carbon fiber intakes sold here)

Misha
01-10-2007, 12:11 AM
LOL
Some paragraphs would help. Or did you try to emulate the guys that ask?

my05civic
01-10-2007, 12:12 AM
lmao, you guys repsond so fast! i just posted it and updated it. i copied and pasted directly from microsoft word

INJENalltheway
01-10-2007, 01:09 AM
Stickylicious?

Misha
01-10-2007, 01:27 AM
ORIGINAL: my05civic
Q: Will my gas mileage increase with an intake?
A: Yes. If you have it installed long enough, you’ll notice an increase of 2-3MPG.


3 MPG on 30 MPG car equals 10% gas mileage increase. You might get some, but definitely no more than around 1 MPG, most probably way less...

ic892003
01-10-2007, 01:31 AM
now that were on the topic, i am planning to get a v2 intake or aem cai, will i have to take off the front bumper to install [:@]

ej6buddy
01-10-2007, 01:46 AM
cai, yes, v2, no, it really all depends on your year, make

ic892003
01-10-2007, 07:06 AM
i have a 92 civic 4dr sedan does anyone know??

my05civic
01-10-2007, 11:58 AM
ORIGINAL: Misha

ORIGINAL: my05civic
Q: Will my gas mileage increase with an intake?
A: Yes. If you have it installed long enough, you’ll notice an increase of 2-3MPG.


3 MPG on 30 MPG car equals 10% gas mileage increase. You might get some, but definitely no more than around 1 MPG, most probably way less...


thank you. i've corrected that

Saylorman
01-11-2007, 08:19 PM
what do you mean by throttle response

and where can i get an aem CAI (new) for an 07 2dr lx

my05civic
01-11-2007, 08:22 PM
throttle response is the response you get by pushing down on your gas pedal. what happens when you push down your "gas" pedal, is you open your throttle (a valve like thing) and let air in. the ecu or whatever calculates the ratio of fuel to mix with the air, and procedes to mix it. an increased throttle response means your gas pedal will feel more sensitive basically, which to most people is an advantage.

my05civic
01-11-2007, 08:24 PM
AEM currently does not have a CAI for the 07 civics. i just checked aempower.com for you

Saylorman
01-11-2007, 10:39 PM
yeah i didnt see one on aempower.com but i thought somebody might have some more informationthanks for the throttle response question, thats what i figured it was but wanted to confirm that : ]have a nice night

my05civic
01-14-2007, 11:54 AM
bump for the needy

Biohazard
01-16-2007, 12:48 AM
Forget AEM or K&N, for Value and price go for a Simota !!

www.simota.com (http://www.simota.com)Value and Quality for Money.

AEMand K&N are just cashing in on their names now. There is no reason why an intake should charge you Up the A.SS

my05civic
01-16-2007, 01:08 AM
AEMand K&N are just cashing in on their names now.

aem and k&n prices have remained consistant. they haven't gone up. other brands are just lower. according to your logic though, same could be said about companies like brembo, tial, greddy,ect... their stuff is expensive, but hey, its good quality and they've been around forever. you can't expect a new company to put their prices up there with other big names; they'll get stompped out.

Biohazard
01-17-2007, 06:41 AM
Elaborate I Will First off when we talk price it depends which country we are buying in and what the market demands are in that region. No offence to brand names such as AEM or K&N they are fantastic products and they should be for the price you pay. I'm just saying for the price and quality its tough to match and if you have been to the Simota website and have read the 7 page catalogue which explains the product well, you can download in PDF format at...... http://www.simota.com/video.php Along with the other information I have received from the factory which just so happens to be 40mins from my place, I was very impressed with what Simota brought to the table. Also was surprised to find out that the big names you know and love are made at the same factories, and by that I mean a lot of “Big Brands” you know about through marketing there is an exact copy of that under another name and sold cheaper. People the technology is here and it’s not very hard to offer the same product under a different name. Thanks for your time guys.

my05civic
01-17-2007, 09:21 AM
please find me an aem v2 style intake made by another small company. you won't find one. their tube-in-tube technology is patented.

Biohazard
01-17-2007, 11:39 AM
Patented means nothing where I live, If i wanted to take an AEM v2 style intake to a factory and get them to reproduce it exactly the same and change the v2 systems name and sell it who would stop me? The laws in the U.S are strict and if you tried to do something like that trouble would come knocking sooner or later and you'd be hung upside down by your balls but the rest of the world doesn't work like that its amazing how much something is worth just on the branding. Don't forget when you buy big brands your also paying for their advertising. I can’t believe it's not butter!!

my05civic
01-17-2007, 07:09 PM
ORIGINAL: Biohazard

Patented means nothing where I live, If i wanted to take an AEM v2 style intake to a factory and get them to reproduce it exactly the same and change the v2 systems name and sell it who would stop me? The laws in the U.S are strict and if you tried to do something like that trouble would come knocking sooner or later and you'd be hung upside down by your balls but the rest of the world doesn't work like that its amazing how much something is worth just on the branding. Don't forget when you buy big brands your also paying for their advertising. I can’t believe it's not butter!!


lmfao. i don't care where you are, but there's no way in hell a person can just walk into a factory and tell them to make something. even if your friend owned a factory, they wouldn't be able to just take a v2 from your hand and copy the damn thing. we're not talking about kinkos dude. factories don't just stick something in a machine and pump out thousands of copies. we're talking 3d tangible things. you know, things that you can touch? and another thing, one can attempt to make a v2, but, there's little chance it'll be identical.

Misha
01-17-2007, 08:22 PM
And where do you live? Just a kind of curiousity, if you don't mind...

my05civic
01-17-2007, 08:25 PM
i live in the USA. california. nor cal.

Misha
01-17-2007, 08:33 PM
Thanks, but I meant to ask biohazard, LOL. Sorry, I wasn't clear enough :)

my05civic
01-17-2007, 08:36 PM
ORIGINAL: Misha
Thanks, but I meant to ask biohazard, LOL. Sorry, I wasn't clear enough :)

haha. it's all good mate:D

mybrokenblinker
01-17-2007, 11:31 PM
i honestly think he's just spamming. He's a rep for simota i bet. I think they have a great product but he seems fishy.

Biohazard
01-18-2007, 12:34 AM
I'm living in Taiwan near the Indusial Hub and yes you can get copies made! Its happening right now. I know people who have contracts with Japan making Greddy parts such as ECU's, Turbo's and also Brembo Brakes just to name a few. They label these products "Made in Japan" when in fact the work is all done in Taiwan to Greddy specifications. I shi.t you not, I was shocked about it when I found out but its all about maximizing profit and of course the labor is cheaper to get the Taiwanese to make it rather than the Japanese but none the less its still a quality product. I'm not coming on these forums to waste anyone’s time but to let you know how the factories work in Asia. I'm not a rep for Simota I deal in testing "Quality Control" aftermarket suspension for Fords and Holden’s for the Australian market.

Misha
01-18-2007, 01:01 AM
Thanks. I was actually wondering what is this "the rest of the world" were people don't care about patents at all. And, I guess you are right, eastern countries look at this from a different angle.

my05civic
01-18-2007, 09:15 AM
ORIGINAL: Biohazard

I'm living in Taiwan near the Indusial Hub and yes you can get copies made! Its happening right now. I know people who have contracts with Japan making Greddy parts such as ECU's, Turbo's and also Brembo Brakes just to name a few. They label these products "Made in Japan" when in fact the work is all done in Taiwan to Greddy specifications. I shi.t you not, I was shocked about it when I found out but its all about maximizing profit and of course the labor is cheaper to get the Taiwanese to make it rather than the Japanese but none the less its still a quality product. I'm not coming on these forums to waste anyone’s time but to let you know how the factories work in Asia. I'm not a rep for Simota I deal in testing "Quality Control" aftermarket suspension for Fords and Holden’s for the Australian market.


what city? i lived there for a couple years.

Biohazard
01-18-2007, 10:52 AM
No problem Misha and yes eastern countries handle business differently. Really where did you live my05civic? The city I'm currently living in is called Taichung meaning "Central Taiwan" which is located on the west coast. I work all over the island. Most parts and factories come from Sioushuei Township in Changhua but all the testing is done in Taoyuan which is about 25mins from Taipei City and is located in the northern providence.

my05civic
01-18-2007, 01:34 PM
i lived in Kao-hsiung. I've been to Taichung before though; my mother's family live there. right now my father works there. my family is taiwaneese;)

btw. i'm fluent in speaking mandarin

my05civic
01-18-2007, 01:38 PM
if i'm not mistaking Sioushuei for another place, that's where my dad works! he works for a small computer company

mybrokenblinker
01-18-2007, 08:46 PM
sorry biohazard if i labeled you wrongly.

Biohazard
01-21-2007, 10:58 PM
It's all good, we are all family here as I see it. After all we all own Honda's right? Taiwanese family that’s great my sister in law is Taiwanese and she's from Kaohsiung, I'm also fluent in Mandarin and Japanese it’s the only way you can really deal with the Asian markets.

my05civic
01-22-2007, 12:17 AM
how does this thread have 1350 views?

Misha
01-22-2007, 12:23 AM
Any time you read it, you add to the count [8D]

my05civic
02-06-2007, 10:39 AM
bump

my05civic
02-12-2007, 05:33 PM
bump

danzel
05-08-2007, 12:18 AM
the best intake i ever had on my vehicle is Aem cold air intake (http://www.coldairintakedirect.com/brands/aem.html) which gives my engine performs at its best.this has been made from a finest quality material from a dealer that would surely hit in the market.

danomatic93
05-08-2007, 12:49 AM
I don't know if it's that Important or not, but I know for my civic, I didn't have the take the front bumper off to install my CAI. I when through the wheel well, which is much faster and IMO easier.

phan10m
05-08-2007, 09:50 AM
great .. probably answer a lot of questions for the people who ask constantly.. ( im not saying im not one of em)

Live_4it
05-09-2007, 03:22 PM
Great idea my05civic, this should of been done a while ago.

pimpossible
05-09-2007, 11:32 PM
i gotta 03 lx sedan-- debating on gettin a sri or v2. will the v2 give me fast throttle response too? as much as the sri. what the deal with cai's i gotta auto car and aem only sells bypass for manuals?

my05civic
05-10-2007, 06:47 AM
the bpv are for both manual and automatics. anyways, the v2 on the 03 is a sri anyways, plus it's got a bigger piping (not to mention more) than the original cai/sri so it'll definitely be worth your money. any aem intake from a stock airbox will improve your throttle response enough to satisfy you

jen
05-10-2007, 09:00 PM
I'm new and don't know a thing about cars, but myhusbandhas a 04 honda civicthat he has done awork tothe body andnow he is wanting to start working on the engine andIwant to suprise him for his birthday with a new intake systemthat he has wanted and I need to know which is better and what the difference issoI understandshort ram intake and cold air intake

drbyers
05-10-2007, 09:07 PM
if you're buying it, then he'll be happy with whatever he gets... if he knows whats good for him... lol.

mybrokenblinker
05-11-2007, 04:48 AM
ORIGINAL: pimpossible

i gotta 03 lx sedan-- debating on gettin a sri or v2. will the v2 give me fast throttle response too? as much as the sri. what the deal with cai's i gotta auto car and aem only sells bypass for manuals?


If you're goign to get a bypass valve, don't bother buying an intake at all, you'll lose all the gains you got out of it.

my05civic
05-17-2007, 07:33 PM
bump

Maiko
06-05-2007, 11:41 AM
Ibought ARC induction box im very happy with it pretty expensive but it's jdm part

johnb
07-11-2007, 01:09 AM
my buddy and i test drove a 6th gen civic the other day and the short ram intake he had on there made that car sound really good. for those of you that have the aem v2 installed on your cars, do you notice a deeper engine noise? just curious because i really liked it and made me want to buy one promptly if not quicker.

thanks.

my05civic
07-11-2007, 05:59 AM
the v2 definitely makes your car louder, especially if you mash the throttle

johnb
07-11-2007, 10:18 AM
which is the loudest of the three: Short Ram Intake, Cold Air Intake, V2??

my05civic
07-11-2007, 10:57 AM
v2, sri, cai

short rams will always be louder because they're closer to you. v2 over sri because the v2 has 2 tubes and is wider, and thus it'll have a lower tone, which usually makes it seem louder, whether or not it actually is

johnb
07-12-2007, 09:54 AM
thanks much. i think i want that more than an exhaust right now lol

skydiverfloyd
07-24-2007, 06:22 PM
Hi all
I have an '07 Si FBP.
Does anyone know much about injen Short ram? It appears they are the only one that has one for the gen 8 si.

Thanks
Jack

my05civic
07-24-2007, 09:07 PM
injen is a good brand.

burgernuds
07-25-2007, 02:49 PM
how often do you have to clean your filter on an injen short ram?

my05civic
07-25-2007, 04:41 PM
it depends. the time is contingent on your environment's conditions. dusty/humid=frequent.

JD 2007
08-09-2007, 07:56 PM
My neighbor put an intake on his new 07 Si sedan and when I first heard it it sounded like it was bogging and didn't rev as fast as my stock 07 Si sedan, it really turned me off big time. WTF ???

my05civic
08-09-2007, 08:13 PM
http://www.hondacivicforum.com/m_463197/tm.htm

**Alan**
08-11-2007, 12:00 AM
is that on any car ...because im getting a sri soon

my05civic
08-11-2007, 06:56 AM
ORIGINAL: **Alan**

is that on any car ...because im getting a sri soon


no. numbers are based on a stock civic

**Alan**
08-11-2007, 12:45 PM
so dont have to diconnect the battery ?? ...oh its a 00 civic ex btw

my05civic
08-11-2007, 12:47 PM
i recommend you disconnect the negative battery terminal

**Alan**
08-11-2007, 12:54 PM
like 5 to 10 mins maybe?

my05civic
08-11-2007, 01:03 PM
10 is good.

**Alan**
08-11-2007, 01:15 PM
ok thanks for the heads up on that :D

fpb876
08-23-2007, 09:14 PM
Hey, i am planning to install a new air intake onto my 98' Honda civic DX, but i do hve a budgit issue so i am shopping on ebay, dose anyone know, do all intakes come with the propervaccume and sensor hookups or am i gambling on something that maynot be compatible?

my05civic
08-23-2007, 09:30 PM
the ebay tubes are fine, but you'd want to get a new filter on it as soon as possible, because the ebay filter's are very poorly made, and they will allow a lot of dirt into your engine, and in turn, shorten its life. the sensor holes are usually there. around here, there doesn't seem to be anyone that has had problems with the ebay intakes' holes. welcome to the forums

fpb876
08-23-2007, 09:32 PM
Thank you,
And thank you

fpb876
08-23-2007, 09:40 PM
ok, hydrolock, what is it and how bad is it?

KoshaK
08-24-2007, 06:07 AM
When water gets into your intake, from a CAI. Bad enough that could cause a lot of damage to your engine parts, depending how much water is getting in the filter

my05civic
08-24-2007, 06:26 AM
hydrolock doesn't happen frequently: your filter has to be SUBMERGED in water.

kx_rider53
08-24-2007, 02:02 PM
I have an 06 EX. I was looking at the AEM short ram intake (http://www.procivic.com/pages-product_car_part_info/category-70_85/product-222/index.html). Do you think it is any good? Im looking at any kind of new intake. Which do you think gives the best benefits and best sound? I dont mind spending a bit (as long as its worth it). What do you think is the best bang for the buck as far as intakes go?

kx_rider53
08-25-2007, 11:05 AM
Just finished reading the sticky, and the part where the AEM V2 is the best. However they do not make it for my car (06 ex coupe). What other intake would you guys reccomend, it doesnt matter how much, but what would give me the best benefits?

KoshaK
08-25-2007, 11:12 AM
I have a 07 civic si, Injen CAI w/ MR Tech. Very happy with it, noticable gains and sounds incredible. http://www.procivic.com/pages-product_car_part_info/category-70_85/product-303/index.html

gocoho
08-25-2007, 12:01 PM
ORIGINAL: kx_rider53

I have an 06 EX. I was looking at the AEM short ram intake (http://www.procivic.com/pages-product_car_part_info/category-70_85/product-222/index.html). Do you think it is any good? Im looking at any kind of new intake. Which do you think gives the best benefits and best sound? I dont mind spending a bit (as long as its worth it). What do you think is the best bang for the buck as far as intakes go?

^
Just got the AEM SRI for my k20('02 Si), installing it tonight- I read the thread but haven't seen a V2 SRI, only CAI---

kx_rider53
08-25-2007, 12:10 PM
ORIGINAL: gocoho

ORIGINAL: kx_rider53

I have an 06 EX. I was looking at the AEM short ram intake (http://www.procivic.com/pages-product_car_part_info/category-70_85/product-222/index.html). Do you think it is any good? Im looking at any kind of new intake. Which do you think gives the best benefits and best sound? I dont mind spending a bit (as long as its worth it). What do you think is the best bang for the buck as far as intakes go?

^
Just got the AEM SRI for my k20('02 Si), installing it tonight- I read the thread but haven't seen a V2 SRI, only CAI---


I linked to the AEM CAI, but said short ram by accident, my bad. I just cant decide between cold air and short ram. I want the best performance and sound, if that is even possible.

gocoho
08-25-2007, 12:15 PM
--- I went with the SRI out of installation convenience, looking for a little better throttle response and a couple HP

kx_rider53
08-28-2007, 01:02 PM
Anyone else? Price isnt really a factor since all that i have seen arnt more than 300-400. Im looking for the best performance/sound, if there is one that can do both. Im not worried about hydrolocking. 06 ex coupe

my05civic
08-28-2007, 03:20 PM
any intake will sound the same, and offer roughly the same amount of HP.

gocoho
08-29-2007, 07:05 AM
AEM SRI installed, quiet until 4500rpm's and then it growls, +2 mpg, not really noticeable diff in performance other than the gas mileage:)

SulliX1511
09-16-2007, 08:41 PM
I have a 2001 civic dx and am looking into intakes right now. My brother referred me to the V2 intake, but I was wondering how low to the ground the V2 filter is compared to any CAI filter, and the probability of it messing up my engine.

my05civic
09-16-2007, 08:57 PM
unless you drive through 2ft+ puddles, you will not mess up your car with an aftermarket intake. the v2 intake directly left of the engine, where the stock airbox currently lies. the cai would lie lower, most likely in the front bumper of the car

SulliX1511
09-16-2007, 08:59 PM
thanks:D

95civic1.6l
09-18-2007, 12:04 AM
how much is a simota standard air intake for civic???

SulliX1511
09-18-2007, 07:41 PM
what is the probability that a v2 intake would mess up my engine?

my05civic
09-18-2007, 07:47 PM
slim to none if you follow the install directions. i messed up my car pretty BAD because i didn't take all the packing peanuts out of the intake before installing it... oh boy was that hell lol

SulliX1511
09-18-2007, 07:53 PM
it wont have any trouble in the winter either? i live in upstate new york, and it gets pretty frigid up here

my05civic
09-18-2007, 07:55 PM
you won't have problems. like i said, splashing water on the intake won't kill your engine; completely submerging it will. also, many people on this forum live in areas of constant snow and have an intake.

PREKGSR
09-25-2007, 05:17 PM
im probably going to order another CAI out of ebay and just get an aem dryflow. intake tubing is not going to make a diff IMO. but im getting the two piece design, so i can swap between CAI and SRI whenever it rains.

Aries326
10-05-2007, 02:52 PM
Great FAQ!!! Very informative. Out of uniformity, you should add some suggested intakes with prices like in the exhaust section. Also, for the guys who are totally broke, some names of cheap intakes that actually fit.

91crx_97cx
12-06-2007, 11:06 PM
should i worry about the internals first befor i install a CAI, headers, ECT?

FlipHKD720
12-06-2007, 11:08 PM
by etc, do you just mean I/H/E? No, internals will be totally fine with simple mods such as that. Supercharge, Turbocharge and Nitrous is when internals are being risked.

Bonestock98
12-10-2007, 03:46 PM
Does anyone have any experience with the Password JDM intake?

FlipHKD720
12-10-2007, 04:14 PM
too exepnsive IMO, it wont give MUCH better gains than AEM or Injen, or even the ebay w/ nice filter. Its just an intake, no matter what its not gonna do THAT much

jakeolas
12-15-2007, 11:53 AM
I Don't agree with some of the pros and cons of sri vs. cai. I have a 96 dx, I've had the AEMV2 intake installed both ways, as a short ram and a cold air. The cold air blows the short ram away, better throddle response, better sound, more gain by far, by far. I can notice on the days I take the CAI part off because of the rain, that my car is noticibly less powerfull. I swear it's not in my head. And it actually DOES matter what intake you use. If you buy an ebay one for 30 bucks, you'll get a cel and **** up your car. Why would you buy something super cheap for your car, if you buy something cheap, expect to get cheap results. Ebay intakes are death.

gooberguy
12-20-2007, 06:44 PM
what i dont understand is, in the FAQ it makes sri seem better than cai, but on all websites the sri are a lot less expensive then the cai?

my05civic
12-20-2007, 06:53 PM
intakes do very little on a civic. especially the d17s. the gains between a cai and sri are so negligible that you might as well get the cheaper one.

sri is cheaper because there's less tubing. the v2 is more expensive because it's "new" technology. it's a SRI for the d17.

rit14623
01-22-2008, 10:42 PM
How much noisier do SRI or CAI make the engine bay?

I had a VW Jetta and got a sri that had a K&N cone filter. It made the engine bay so loud that from thedriver's seat, I felt like the cams were rattling in my head. It gave me a headache on short drives and I had to wear ear plugs on long drives... so I ended up removing the whole thing, trashing it, andputting the stock air box back onand using a K&N filter in it.

I have a K&N filter in my Honda's stock air box now.

FlipHKD720
01-22-2008, 10:55 PM
CAI is techinically quieter becasue the filter is down in the bumper

my05civic
01-22-2008, 10:58 PM
honestly, an sri doesn't make considerably more noise than an cai. honestly though, with either a cai or sri, i don't think ANYONE can get a headache. the only time when an intake will roar is when you're merging onto the freeway (or passing a car) and pushing your car's rpms up there in the 4-5k range. if you're ALWAYS mashing the pedal to get up into the high rpms, you're wasting your time: a civic's engine is too damn weak; you're just burning gas.

if you're just cruising, or going at a constant speed, there is no reason that anyone should get a headache. the hum of the engine is just a little bit louder than stock.

from your jetta story, i'm not sure an intake (or exhaust...) is the kind of modification you should go for. if you wanna work on your car and not risk the headache, go for suspension upgrades first.

08civicsiguy
03-03-2008, 12:51 PM
I know I’m a newbie to this forum, but I’m not a newbie to Civic's (I am on my third) or modifying every car, truck, motorcycle, or ATV I’ve ever owned to get more power out of them. I am an engineer,and I design aircraft engine combustion systems and thought I could better clarify this never ending debate over Cold Air Kits and fuel mileage. I posted this here where I thought it made the most sense and I hope you find this useful. If you find some minor errors try to take it easy on me, I threw this together over lunch today.

Some Basics:

Air flow can be measured in volumetric or mass flow. Air density highly depends upon pressure and temperature.

A Cold Air (C/A) kit increases power by reducing the temperature of the air entering the engine, thereby increasing the density, or amount of air for a given volume. Basically you are able to squeeze more air through the intake at full throttle because the air is denser. C/A kits also use higher flowing inlet filters & lower drag intake pipes to reduce friction/drag losses at full throttle.

Evolution:

1. Carburetors are manually adjusted by mechanics without ECU’s, typically without dynamometers or exhaust monitoring. This resulted in many automobiles running off of optimal fuel/air splits (F/A Ratio) with high emissions and owner operability issues requiring tuning at various elevations/ambient conditions.

2. Fuel Injection systems coupled with ECU’s use inlet VOLUME (with O2 sensors) to adjust fuel injection rates to better maintain the F/A Ratio near optimal/Stoichiometric ratio (14.7:1).

3. Modern ECU’s use inlet MASS FLOW sensors (with O2 sensors) to adjust fuel injection rates to almost absolutely maintain Stoichiometric Ratio.

Why you get more power from a C/A kit:

Every intake has a choke-point or limiting component that controls the maximum amount of air your engine can intake. If we arbitrarily assume it is the intake manifold for this example you can now move more air through your intake because you can fit more air through the “hole” due to increased density. You have not increased the volume of air because that is limited by the size of the “hole,” you have increased the density of the air at that limited volume.

Why you don’t get better gas mileage:

As previously mentioned… modern ECU’s use inlet MASS FLOW sensors to adjust fuel injection rates to maintain the optimal F/A ratio. After the C/A installation your ECU senses the increased mass/density and adjusts the fuel injection rate to continue maintaining the proper F/A ratio. Older ECU’s/automobiles merely measured volume and therefore did not sense the increased density/mass of that volume provided by the C/A. Your engine would run leaner… gaining perhaps as much as 5% fuel economy, but more likely 2 or 3%. (3% of 30 MPG = ~1 Additional MPG). This is slightly detrimental to your engine because it runs at a higher temperature due to the lean condition.

Why you don’t get worse gas mileage:

At less than full throttle the engine is only going to intake the required amount of air and not all that it can possibly get… which is why you get the benefit of a C/A at full throttle, but more importantly why you don’t get worse fuel mileage during daily driving according tothe incorrect “more air from the C/A requires more fuel and equals worse MPG” theory I see posted frequently (correct in theory if the engine did not regulate intake).

Summary:

Ultimately the answer is that you willrealize a slight increase in power depending on the style/brand ranging from 2 to 10 WHP,(probablybetween 3& 5) at full throttle because you can squeeze more air through the bottle-neck/choke-point to mix with more fuel (scheduled by the ECU thanks to your Mass Flow Sensor) in the combustion chamber. You will notaffect fuel economy (after your ECU adjusts) unless your car does not use a mass flow sensor, or if your ECU does not auto-adjust and you fail to reset the ECU by disconnecting your battery (resulting in the lean condition mentioned above).

Hope this is useful, sorry for the long-winded first posting!

FYI: Same theory applies to intake/inlet spacers on newer vehicles because the O2 sensor senses the gains from increased mixture velocity and/or turbulence via emissions andsells you out to the ECU to make adjustments.

rican_in_acus
03-21-2008, 02:00 AM
i havea 94 civic ex with a D16z6 VTEC, i bought a SKUNK2 intake manifold and a 70mm SKUNK2 throttle body, will i have to put bigger injectors? if so wat size is recommended and wat brand?

other info:
-AEM CAI
-6 pad ACT clutch/pressure plate
-ACT streetlite flywheel
-MSD ingnition
-OBX headers 4 to 1 <<<<<<<<<<---------- wats the best header for that d series engine?
-Magna Flow pipes

FlipHKD720
03-21-2008, 11:54 AM
no you'll be okay with stock injectors ^

and for more info on your OBX header, read the Header FAQ. I'd get a Megan header if i was you. Cheap, does the job, and it's not eBay crap.

skip the pump
03-27-2008, 10:30 AM
Is it true that the only SRI/CAI currently available from a major supplier for a 2008 Civic LX is the K&N Intake?

Are there any immediate plans from the other major suppliers to release theirs in the next half year or so?

Jon Steele
03-27-2008, 07:21 PM
ORIGINAL: my05civic

intakes do very little on a civic. especially the d17s. the gains between a cai and sri are so negligible that you might as well get the cheaper one.

sri is cheaper because there's less tubing. the v2 is more expensive because it's "new" technology. it's a SRI for the d17.



So your saying that the V2 SRI is designed for a D17?

my05civic
03-28-2008, 12:12 PM
ORIGINAL: Jon Steele
So your saying that the V2 SRI is designed for a D17?


each v2 is designed for a specific vehicle. on another car, the v2 might be a cold air intake. AEM manufacturers the v2 on whatever fits/functions best.

Jon Steele
03-28-2008, 02:27 PM
ok thanks that cleared that up for me

JAY1994
03-31-2008, 03:45 PM
Okay I have a D16Z6 I'm looking at the aem sri ??? In fact I bought the aem sri ,was it a mistake?
I wanted the aem Cai but didn't have the cash anyway what do you officials think?

mybrokenblinker
03-31-2008, 04:35 PM
You won't notice a difference and will be safer from hydrolock with your sri

macbeth18288
03-31-2008, 04:51 PM
Hydrolocking is not something you really need to be concerned about
Unless you repeatedly drive through large puddles.
I'm talking puddles large/deep enough to submerge your air filter in the water.
So don't let that keep your from getting a CAI.

JAY1994
03-31-2008, 06:13 PM
Would I notice a difference if I would of bought a cai

JAY1994
04-02-2008, 05:00 PM
K was I really suppose to let a gallon of coolant out when swapping intakes because I didn't!!!

FlipHKD720
04-02-2008, 05:18 PM
in your 1994? I don't tihnk so dude....did you unhook some sort of coolant line? It should have been removing a tube to the crankcase and the IAT sensor, unbolting the intake, put the one on and re-install the hose and sensor. You'll hvae to use the grommet from the OEM intake though. What happened?

JAY1994
04-03-2008, 01:55 PM
No I didn't remove a gallon of coolant ,but when I received my aem sri the instructuctions stated that : 1.disconnect the negative terminal of the battery. 2.Let the engine cool for two hours. 3. Let about a gallon of coolant out from the radiator. - I didn't do number three because I didn't think I needed to. I didn't unhook the IAT SENSOR though is that bad????? By unhooking, I unhooked it from the stock air housing intake tube but I didn't unhook the electric plug from the manifold?

FlipHKD720
04-03-2008, 01:59 PM
pictures would be helpful, maybe even start your own thead if you're worried, and if you have a CEL and already reset the ECU (disconnect the negative battery terminaL) you did somethin wrong.

JAY1994
04-07-2008, 01:38 PM
Quick question does it matter if you have a mt or at for purchasing a cold air. Basically I brought a AEM CAI but it doesn't say for at or mt and I put it on my manual transmission will it hurt it because it mounted and fit great.

FlipHKD720
04-07-2008, 04:56 PM
yes it does. The intake might not fit around the auto or manual tranny if you ordered the wrong one. Make sure to get the correct transmission. I know this is a problem with some versions of the AEM V2.

JAY1994
04-07-2008, 05:07 PM
Well I got the AEM CAI for $40 from a guy who wanted 50(bargain) in town because it would work on his civic, so I already Installed and it does work, doesnt rub so if it's intalled I'm guessing that either it didn't matter for that year or I have a manual tramission model??? idk? The filter rubs a little on the front bumber which i is from length but am I ok I mean, its not too low? Also the piping fit hole lined up and bolted on so???

FlipHKD720
04-07-2008, 05:10 PM
well i mean if it fits and theres no CEL yeah you're probably fine, but in general you should try and get the right model. Congrats on the fitment though haha

JAY1994
04-08-2008, 01:27 PM
Thanks man ,yeah I lucked out, but what is a CEL ??? Would that be located on the pipe because there is another hookup that I have nothing running to?

monkeydude3
04-27-2008, 06:39 PM
CEL is a Check Engine Light. It happens if a sensor isn't hooked up properly or isn't reading properly.

Tommo87
05-07-2008, 06:04 PM
Apparently the only intakes for honda that actually offer a power increase over standard are the AEM V2 and the mugen ram intake system. Unless using either of these the best thing to do is put a panel filter in the standard filter box.

macbeth18288
05-07-2008, 08:09 PM
ORIGINAL: Tommo87

Apparently the only intakes for honda that actually offer a power increase over standard are the AEM V2 and the mugen ram intake system. Unless using either of these the best thing to do is put a panel filter in the standard filter box.


Is that your personal opinion, or do you have some evidence (actual facts) to back this up. Because if you do I would love to see it.
Just asking.

TmAc7013
05-16-2008, 11:20 PM
i have a 1990 hatchback cx and i cant find any sort of after market intake for it is it really submodel specific or will it work if i find something for a 1990 civic

ej6buddy
05-16-2008, 11:44 PM
ORIGINAL: macbeth18288

Is that your personal opinion, or do you have some evidence (actual facts) to back this up. Because if you do I would love to see it.
Just asking.


don't worry, he's just talkin' out of his ass. he doesn't know because he hasn't tested all of them on all honda models.

ORIGINAL: TmAc7013

i have a 1990 hatchback cx and i cant find any sort of after market intake for it is it really submodel specific or will it work if i find something for a 1990 civic


http://motors.shop.ebay.com/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__1990-civic-intake_W0QQ_nkwZ1990Q20civicQ20intakeQQ_fxdZ1

macbeth18288
05-18-2008, 05:33 PM
ORIGINAL: ej6buddy

[quote]ORIGINAL: macbeth18288

Is that your personal opinion, or do you have some evidence (actual facts) to back this up. Because if you do I would love to see it.
Just asking.


don't worry, he's just talkin' out of his ass. he doesn't know because he hasn't tested all of them on all honda models.


haha, oh I know he is.

JAYBRYD23
06-30-2008, 11:00 PM
WHich gives u more HP an Front mount INtake or a CAI ??

macbeth18288
07-01-2008, 08:13 AM
Jaybryd have you read this forum sticky or used the search button
This question has been asked and debated and 'answered' many many times

trustdestruction
07-01-2008, 09:59 AM
he said "front mount intake." There's no such thing. I think he is referring to an intercooler, which you only use with a turbo.

macbeth18288
07-01-2008, 12:44 PM
Um, trust, Actually there is such a thing, it's a very ricer 'intake'
It looks like an intercooler and just runs the piping up like it would with a CAI
which is how it got its name 'front mount intake'


TADA:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__Front-Mount-Air-Intake-TypeX-Integra-94-01-GS-15-552_W0QQitemZ130054877778QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ2 0PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQcmdZViewItem

trustdestruction
07-01-2008, 01:15 PM
Oh wow, my bad. I'd never heard of such a thing before. Yea that is pretty ricey.

To Jaybryd: Don't get the front mount intake. That's lame.

the72peanut
08-16-2008, 01:48 PM
Im on a very low budget. This AEM SRI is just a hundred bucks, does anyone know if the quality is as low as the price? Or is it a good bargain?

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=AEM&MfrPartNumber=22401P&PartType=1344&PTSet=A

macbeth18288
08-16-2008, 04:38 PM
AEM is a very good quality product.

dvanvught
09-27-2008, 06:43 PM
Here's an Idea for those short on cash. I have a 93 civic. All I did was take off the plastic muffler inside the front bumper where the cai would go. It takes about 20 minutes and sounds almost as good as a cai. It probably will get almost as much of a HP gain as a cai once I buy a decent air filter for it.

macbeth18288
09-27-2008, 10:48 PM
You ttok off the plastic muffler inside the front bumper where the CAI would go? SO you made a sri

dvanvught
09-30-2008, 11:07 AM
Not exactly. The air box takes air directly from the wheel well now instead of from inside the engine compartment. A SRI takes hot air from inside the engine compartment.