what's up everybody i'm new here, and i just wanted to know what you all thought was the best way to improve my take off off the line in my civic, without turbocharging. I've got a 2001 Honda Civic EX, VTEC (btw is it DOHC or SOHC???). all stock right now. just curious to know what i can do to make this thing ****in fast.

Thanks,

- John B.

It's a SOHC. Chances are it's not going to be very fast without either A. Putting a lot of money into an N/A motor.or B. Boost. But if you want a few more hp for starters look into getting a quality intake, such as aem to help your engine breath a little better. Then you'll want to start looking into getting a quality header and catback exhaust system. I know DC sports makes quality headers, but I do not know if they make a header for a 2001. I'm not really familiar with 7th gens. As far as exhaust systems, there are a lot of reputable companies out there. Apexi, Skunk2, Magnaflow, etc. etc. Look around on this site and you should find reviews and such on a lot of different things.

what is the difference between SOHC and DOHC, is there a way i can get DOHC and if so is it worth it? why is it i keep hearing there isnt much more you can do to hondas to make them faster without turbocharging them. thanks for your help bro

- John B.

Smaller wheels and tires will get you out of the whole faster. Unfortunately 7th gens came with kind of a bastard of a motor, D17s. Some people are claiming solid numbers with them through turbo charging, but I don't believe their engines will hold up long. The geometry of the D17s design just doesn't make sense to me with regard to performance or durability. They make great comutter cars, as they're design supports great gas mileage. However, I don't see them as being useful beyond that spectrum.

An option you have is a K-series swap. You've got to be real serious about performance to do it though. People quote anywhere from 5 to 10 grand for the swap. So I'd suggest you either be happy with what you got, maybe do bolt ons, smaller wheels, anda stiffer suspension, or be prepared to swap/get another car.

your better off making your civic into a show car

Yeah.. show car or k series... I am quoted about 8 grand but I'd do the turbo too... so I'm looking at about $12,000 that my wife will NEVER allow me to spend.

ORIGINAL: Kedawei

Unfortunately 7th gens came with kind of a bastard of a motor, D17s.

why is it that they made the motor less powerful than say a '99 or something of that nature? are you suggesting that the newer the civic got the less powerful they make it? that doesn't make sense because if you look at any other car, every few years or so they get gains in HP and in Torque.

as far as DOHC or SOHC do you think you could explain to me the difference please, i know one is Single Overhead or Dual Overhead but what does it do exactly

thanks
- John B.

dohc is dual over head cam like the b18, h22, has 2 camshaft in the engine

sohc is single over head cam like most d-series engine, d15,d16,d17, f22 has one camshaft in the engine and u cant add another one to ur engine

cams open the valves to allow air and fuel to enter and exit the engine .intake, compression, power, exhaust

You want power off of the line? Its so simple, you wont believe it. You need 2 things.........Torque, and sticky tires.



So you need boost and slicks. Then again, my definetion of "power" and yours are probably very different.

ORIGINAL: johnb

ORIGINAL: Kedawei

Unfortunately 7th gens came with kind of a bastard of a motor, D17s.

why is it that they made the motor less powerful than say a '99 or something of that nature? are you suggesting that the newer the civic got the less powerful they make it? that doesn't make sense because if you look at any other car, every few years or so they get gains in HP and in Torque.

as far as DOHC or SOHC do you think you could explain to me the difference please, i know one is Single Overhead or Dual Overhead but what does it do exactly

thanks
- John B.


techinically more powerfull (by a lil) but your motor doesn't respond well to mods.

I will elaborate for you John.

The main problem with D17s is they're improperly stroked for the engines design. The stroke is too long for it, which breeds numerous undesirable conditions. It won't be able to carry torque well beyond midrange rpms. Stress on all bottom end components will increase (as compared with a shorter stroke), as a result of accelerated piston speeds and greater levels of vibration caused by the long stroke. The wrist pin placement (used to offset the motors horrible rod to stroke ratio) is also in an undesirable location, so I've read. There's probably more, but I'm not a mechanical engineer.

ORIGINAL: Pete

You want power off of the line? Its so simple, you wont believe it. You need 2 things.........Torque, and sticky tires.


how much for slicks who makes them

and how do i get torque and how much is that?

ORIGINAL: Kedawei

I will elaborate for you John.

The main problem with D17s is they're improperly stroked for the engines design.

what type of performance vtec engine would you recommend for my civic. where can i get it how much does it cost etc.

- John B.

ORIGINAL: johnb

how do i get torque and how much is that?


that's like asking "where do I buy decibels for my sound system?"

ORIGINAL: mxs


ORIGINAL: johnb

how do i get torque and how much is that?


that's like asking "where do I buy decibels for my sound system?"


hahahahha
thats a good example...

how do i get more torque. if it were a sound system and i wanted more decibals id get better speakers. what can i do to get more torque

add more air (and fuel, tuning, timing etc) to your engine, via forced induction. supercharger, turbo setup, engine swap, or nitrous.

ORIGINAL: johnb

ORIGINAL: Kedawei

I will elaborate for you John.

The main problem with D17s is they're improperly stroked for the engines design.

what type of performance vtec engine would you recommend for my civic. where can i get it how much does it cost etc.

- John B.


K20A2 or K24A2 are the only ways to go with a 7th gen imo.

i would like to buy boost for 200j/k

buy u an older civic to build and keep the one u have to drive atleast that way when something breaks u have a car to drive

what part can i add to get more torque. duh...

ORIGINAL: johnb

what part can i add to get more torque. duh...


that's an open ended question

there's simple bolt on modifications: intakes, headers, exhaust
that will yield small amounts of increases in horsepower and torque

and there's complex large scale modifications: turbo, supercharger, nitrous, engine rebuilds, engine swaps
that yield greater amounts of increases in horsepower and torque

every modification has a cost associated with it, and in terms of the 7th generations, ease of modification, and availability

due to the engine changes, there aren't many reliable modifications for the 7th gen engines (D17), as they don't take to modifications well short of a complete overhaul.

to seriously get the car off the line faster, you'd need to add forced induction or completely rebuild or swap the engine. these modifications generally have large costs and lots of time involved.

as for "slicks", they're not DOT approved, and as such, not legal for road use. what you can try to find is a summer high performance tire, which will offer better grip in the heat, but will most likely be awful in the winter

are you saying that if you were to soup up a 5th or 6th gen youd be faster than my 7th gen if i were to soup it up? i dont understand why honda would pussy up the next genereation of hondas... i dont want to buy a new car i want to make the one i have ****in fast. what types of things can you do when rebuilding an engine?

- John B.

where can i buy a ****in k series engine im gettin frustrated cuz i cant find out where to buy it.

Rofl. EBAY. I gave you the engine codes.

ORIGINAL: johnb

are you saying that if you were to soup up a 5th or 6th gen youd be faster than my 7th gen if i were to soup it up? i dont understand why honda would pussy up the next genereation of hondas... i dont want to buy a new car i want to make the one i have ****in fast. what types of things can you do when rebuilding an engine?

- John B.


what I'm saying is there's a wider variety of parts available to soup up an earlier generation of Civics. the aftermarket support for the D17 engines isn't very strong, as the engines had significantly reduced reliability when modified in comparison to the 5th or 6th generations.

Generally when rebuilding the engine, one would change the rods, pistons, cranks, bearings, head bolts, heads, gaskets, valves...

there's a lot of stuff that can be done, and not all of it might need to be done

you'll spend almost as much doing a K series swap into your car, as you would buying a newer civic (you could probably get a decent used Si for the cost of modifying your car between engine and fabrication to do the swap)

honestly, a civic is not meant to be an extraordinarily fast car, it's designed with commuting and efficiency in mind, they can be made to be fairly quick, but by no means are they able to be made into a super fast car

http://www.sunrisejdmmotors.com/honda.phpis a place you can find a k motor. or you can always try a junkyard, they might have something cheaper than that. the k motor would be a great investment whether you want to go n/a or force inducted.

ORIGINAL: Kedawei

Rofl. EBAY. I gave you the engine codes.


dude. i went on ebay. no kseries engines. if you can find one post a link but i didn see any K series engines on ebay. i saw some B series but no K.

- John B.

ORIGINAL: johnb

ORIGINAL: Kedawei

I will elaborate for you John.

The main problem with D17s is they're improperly stroked for the engines design.

what type of performance vtec engine would you recommend for my civic. where can i get it how much does it cost etc.

- John B.


get a Bseries engine, like a b16 or b18 from an acura integra.

you can find LS b18s pretty cheap sometimes. or you could go the JDM engine swap route and spend some serious cash.

read the reviews here. (http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/50010)

ORIGINAL: drbyers

get a Bseries engine, like a b16 or b18 from an acura integra.


and then buy a new car, because it won't fit in the '01......... :eek:

ORIGINAL: mxs


ORIGINAL: drbyers

get a Bseries engine, like a b16 or b18 from an acura integra.


and then buy a new car, because it won't fit in the '01......... :eek:



the stock D17 in the 7G is still the same configuration as the old D blocks, so swapping a B block into it's place isn't impossible since both spin in the same direction.

with money and custom mounts anything is possible and several b-series 7th gens are already riding around on the west coast... :eek:

how much am i lookin at total. engine mounts, b series engine, etc. everything i will need.

Lots of money. you'll need custom mounts for a b-series at the very least.

everybody says a Kseries swap would be easier (and more legal) but k-series engines are rediculously priced right now, so you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

custom mounts or expensive engine.

to make it worse, turbocharging can also get pretty expensive after parts, labor and LOTS of tuning.

so you have to pick your poison. another thing is that Kseries engines spin in the wrong direction (i think).

you could do a d-series engine swap or build up your current d-series but D-series engines are hard to extract NA power from compared to other honda engines.

ORIGINAL: drbyers

with money and custom mounts anything is possible


I won't argue with that, but it's probably not the best solution for this guy.

ORIGINAL: mxs

I won't argue with that, but it's probably not the best solution for this guy.


then what is. and if you were doing i/h/e which order would you recommend doing it in.

i/h/e is put into that order for a reason ;)

but really power wise... probably h/e/i as far as highest to lowest gains

ORIGINAL: johnb

are you saying that if you were to soup up a 5th or 6th gen youd be faster than my 7th gen if i were to soup it up? i dont understand why honda would pussy up the next genereation of hondas... i dont want to buy a new car i want to make the one i have ****in fast. what types of things can you do when rebuilding an engine?

- John B.



Its the first thing that popped up when I searched.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RSX-K20-TYPE-S-complete-engine-conversion_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33615QQihZ00 8QQitemZ180077829807QQrdZ1

Btw, you are in over your head. The lack of knowledge you have wont do you anygood. And to get the car 'fast' is going to cost you almost as much as your car is worth.

thats why im on this forum bro. to learn.

ORIGINAL: drbyers
with money and custom mounts anything is possible and several b-series 7th gens are already riding around on the west coast...

Tell that to the guys at honda-tech; they'd flame you down for a second. Only 2 7th gen civics IN THE WORLD have had a b-engine swapped in: both made by AEM engineers . So about your comment, no, there are NO b-series 7th gen riding around on the west coast...

the b engine would take much more than custom mounts. A LOT MORE. it's all covered at honda-tech, check it out

ORIGINAL:HONDA-TECH
The b16a requires... Custom Motor Mounts/tranny mounts, Custom axels, ALLL CUSTOM wiring ( A HUGEEEE TASK) Rewire EVERYTHING, speedo, ecu.IT also might require a custom header/downpipe.Another huge problem, is because its never been well documented, EVERYTHING you did would be trial and error, and im sure there would be a TON of errors along the way.

CHECK BELOW TO SEE HONDA TECH INFO ABOUT B SERIES SWAPS INTO 7TH GEN CIVIC
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1861937 (http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1813286)
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1813286
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1805923
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1793652
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1784533

ORIGINAL: johnb




as far as DOHC or SOHC do you think you could explain to me the difference please, i know one is Single Overhead or Dual Overhead but what does it do exactly



I'm a little late for this thread. But as I've said before... The difference between DOHC and SOHC is that SOHC is like having one testicle.

can you change it to DOHC or do you need a whole new engine?

new engine.

yea tryin to get a 2001 to go fast will be expensive. . . . . thats why i bought a 99

what is it that you can do to a '99 civic that you can't do to an 01. or why is it that much more expensive?

u can swap basiclly any motor from a honda or acura u want. why not a 01? cuz honda screwed up

if you want speed I say sell it and buy a 92-95manual hatch and put the money into that

hmmm... Seems like a better route. then you'll a a full time project car and a dependable daily driver. I think i might do that route. I just bought an 01. ex sedan. (had to have a Family car.) With better gas mileage than my truck. I think I'm just gonna add bolt ons to it. and let my wife drive it, and when i get back from this deployment buy a 99 coup for a project car.
just sounds FAR too expensive to Mess with the motor swap. the K swap would probably be Sweet tho.

Why dont ou just sell the 01 while its still worth more? Buy an older one and you will end up saving money on parts and most likely make money off of selling yours for an older one. 92-95 hatchbacks are my favorite and parts seem to be everywhere. Pretty much anything from under 01 back to 92 is going to be better for you.

man this thread is old lol :D