I've heard stories of civics owning Evo's and civics owning vipers and other powerful cars, but can they really do this?Has your curiousity ever got the better of you with your done up civic?

anything is possible, with the benjamins

lol +1 for the benjamins making dreams come true haha

yes, swaps have lots of potential but stock, they won't really be owning anything.

Hyundai's :)

b18's will own eclipse's, some turbo if the drive can't drive lol

you could own like a sohc eclipse's and some metros

word on the benjamins lol, heres a list of what me and my buddy whos got the newer civic than me beat,
tiburon (not the v-6)
a dodge intrepid..haha
dodge neons
sohc eclipses, they seem to be real popular around here
240 sx's
sentra....we never could find a vspec to race :(
AND...cavaliers, every single one of them.
Oh and a mustang gt, ****ed with it from the light and cut him off so me win :)

ORIGINAL: excivman

word on the benjamins lol, heres a list of what me and my buddy whos got the newer civic than me beat,
tiburon (not the v-6)
a dodge intrepid..haha
dodge neons
sohc eclipses, they seem to be real popular around here
240 sx's
sentra....we never could find a vspec to race :(
AND...cavaliers, every single one of them.
Oh and a mustang gt, ****ed with it from the light and cut him off so me win :)


240sx is quick. A dodge intrepid is quicker than you think, and a Cavalier is nothing to be taken lightly especcially if it's modded

Buddy of mine has a 97 ek hatch with a k20 Type Rstock withan i/e and it 'owned ' a 2005 porsche boxter 5spdpretty easy which is was one of my buddys as well and he can drive it, also owned a 2006 GTP 6spd easily, as well as a fully built 2001 civic SI turbo'd running 12lbs of boost. That was his closest race was the civic, they were both running street tires= no tractionand the k20 got him by .876 of a second at the track on 1/8th mile track (thats all we have around here) it sucks. Andthey wereall video taped so the dudes that don't believe me that my buddies k20 beat those cars canscrew off. b/c yeah most ppl in my town dont believe any of that either untill they sawthe vid. which i don't have so dont ask. He has it and moved toIowa2 months ago.

Ill beleive most of that. But A Porsche? Civics can be fast but keep in mind. Econobox.

boxsters are not really that fast, its a porsche for people that are less rich.

My stock civic "owned" an 81 el camino with a 350... but only because he missed 2nd gear lol

ORIGINAL: johnnyGofast
240sx is quick.

I have a hard time keeping up with my friends 240sx with a sohc motor. Lost by like a car. I need a ex tranny BAD!

man only time i beat anyone else if they dont know im racing. LMFAO

but on a side note.... a SI civic can beat some cars.... but a standard sohc even with the vtec cannt beat to much.... but one thing they can always beat.... is the long run haul ;)
my fullsize truck can kill my civic very easily but easily sucks twice the gas...LOL

ok, but i'm talking modded civics, is it true that you beat that boxter 4doorcivic?

^ what?

ORIGINAL: 4doorcivic9

Buddy of mine has a 97 ek hatch with a k20 Type RÂ*stock withÂ*an i/e and it 'owned ' a 2005 porsche boxter 5spdÂ*pretty easy which is was one of my buddys as well and he can drive it, also owned a 2006 GTP 6spd easily, as well as a fully built 2001 civic SI turbo'd running 12lbs of boost. That was his closest race was the civic, they were both running street tiresÂ*= no tractionÂ*and the k20 got him by .876 of a second at the track on 1/8th mile track (thats all we have around here) it sucks.Â* AndÂ*they wereÂ*all video taped so the dudes that don't believe me that my buddies k20 beat those cars canÂ*screw off. b/c yeah most ppl in my town dont believe any of that either untill they sawÂ*the vid. which i don't have so dont ask. He has it and moved toÂ*IowaÂ*2 months ago.


^He was asking if this was true.

ORIGINAL: dudeman

ok, but i'm talking modded civics, is it true that you beat that boxter 4doorcivic?



no i didnt beat it one of my buddies did, he's got a k20 type R in a ekvx hatch (lightest hatch) im pretty sure the vx model is. and it's pretty much gutted besides the dash and the front/rear seats. But do keep in mind the boxter isn't that fast (v6) and for the ek it can't keep traction at all on street tires so we had myself, the driver, and 2 friends in it just to weigh it down a little or else it spins 4 gears. From the line of course the boxter had him b/c of tq. but that only lasted thru half of 1st gear and dude left thePorsche very easily even w/5 ppl in the car (including driver).

a bolt on k20 hatch that is gutted with just seats in it is good for a high 12 second car that will with suspension modscan hold 1+g on a skidpad.

I think he is just talking about street cars more then strip cars. Plus, Who wants to cruize around in a gutted car?? When you say modded, you have to include what mods. All it takes is money and time. Any car with that combo will own anything.

hell if ya wanted to go super moded... slap a body shell on a tubed chassis slap in a huge motor and any and all other goodies you can think of... weights the only thing slowen them larger motor vehicles....

i wanted to do a tube chassis on my 84 crx cause it was rusted to hell and just swap all my motor and such in it... cannt get any lighter than a rusted out POS.LMFAO but i just sold the car.

well truth be known pulling the weight off a civic dont dramaticly alter times as they were on a diet from the factory anyway. Even a full weight ek chassis is a mid 13 second car with a K

regular lancers...they suck

i owned a corolla twice hahaha

With the right money anything is possible... lets just leave it at that

my full weight 99 coupe with a tiny turbo smoked a supercharged passat 4 or 5 times in a row

i just added another car to the list about 20 minutes ago...a Nissan Altima 2.5 it sounded like $H1T though and it had a sticker on the back that said "familia" I was getting on the freeway and it had to merge, it was uphill and he had to get over. He was next to me and he floored it, (I could tell because he had a crappy exhaust that was soo loud) so i gave him the second gear pull hahaha

a 10 speed huffy.........the 13 speed might be a close one though

I know I can take fallfast's mustang all day in my civic :)

ORIGINAL: Ben

I know I can take fallfast's mustang all day in my civic :)


I know I can run circles around you all day in reverse with my civic.
;)

*oh snap*

i can tear a mopeds a** up hahahaha, the thing i seem to out run the most around here is other civics i guess because mine is an lx all the ex ppl

have to pick on my non vtec but they all ways get out run by 1-2 car lenths i dont think ppl around here know how to drive for ****. i dont think ive

raced another civic and not won(not si)i know ppl have some built ones around here. my friend has a 03 si hell in first and thepart of second i

can keep my fender ahead of him every time but after that he just leaves me.every time i go up town everyone that gets near me wants to sit and rev

up at me, they are so damn stupid for racing on main street, they pull one after the other all night ppl are so smart. lol.

ORIGINAL: Remmy

ORIGINAL: Ben

I know I can take fallfast's mustang all day in my civic :)


I know I can run circles around you all day in reverse with my civic.
;)



I put pink slips down that you cannot outrun me in reverse.

What do you have done to your ride Ben?

DC Ceramic Headers,B&M Short shifter, Short Ram Intake with K&N air filter, Performance Plugs and Wires,Magnaflow Catback Exhaust,Tokico HP Gas Struts, Progress Sway bar on the back, Neuspeed stabilizer under the car, 18" HnR Rims, Rear Wiper Delete, Halogens with halos in a black casing, sparco racing pedals, carbon fiber wing, and I don't feel like listing anymore

So you have a CAI, Headers and an exhaust. I am not sure if you will be taking me all day long. But since this is the internet, there really is no way of telling:)

ORIGINAL: fallfast90

So you have a CAI, Headers and an exhaust. I am not sure if you will be taking me all day long. But since this is the internet, there really is no way of telling:)


Well the short shifter helps too, because the stick and spacing of throws in your car is extemely terrible. You want a road course i'd eat you all day, and that goes without saying. My car will outhandle your car on most any roadtrack. I'm also at a mid fifteen right now, and thats with 18's. When I get the fifteens and a drop i'll be in the low fifteens as I know people there with the same mods as me and that rim size (so then it's just down to driver). I know stock your car is a mid to low sixteen second car. I also know that its one of the worst cars when it comes to power to weight ratio, and you have to do a hella lot of bolt ons to make up that deficit. Not downing your car, but V6 stangs are the dumbest way to go if you want speed. Even a GT is ****ty with fords 4.6, but its even worse if you get a V6 for speed. None the less, road course (with me driving) owned, and in the quarter, well same.

I do agree with you that you would have me on a circuit course. The older sn95 years (94-04) aren't that hot for that kindof racing. The new S197's are pretty good for the circuit races now. Also, the v6's weight distribution is pretty close to 50/50 front and back. You are incorrect about my trim times though. A 5spd coupe 99-04 are mid 15 second cars. So at a strip it would then pretty much be a drivers race.If its an auto though, there is about .5 second loss due to horrible ford autos!!! I think it would be a fun race. You dont live close to northern AL do you??:)

Stock, a GT your year runs what about a 14.8 maybe a 14.6......theres no way you're running a mid fiteen and you're not even a full second away from the V8 model mustang.

Mid 14's for a GT (99-04), 14.3ish if they are a really good driver.

ORIGINAL: fallfast90

Mid 14's for a GT (99-04), 14.3ish if they are a really good driver.


im not dissin you but im jsut curious, howcome you have an account on HCFif you have a mustang? i love muscle cars too, camaro ss used to be my dream car now its a civic si. are you into imports also?

I dont even own a car and i have like 430+ posts. I just like hondas and the community

I like to go to other forums and chat with all types of car owners. I have also read some bad info that gets spread around about mustangs, so i decided to join and give some facts, but also learn about your types of cars aswell. I am a car enthusiast, I do prefer domestics but I know all it takes is $$$ and time and any car can be fast. My home site is www.mustangforums.com (http://www.mustangforums.com), i have around 770 posts over there. I have come to really like this site though, its not anything like i thought it was going to be. You guys have some very knowledgable people here and not a lot of BS gets passed around.:)

ORIGINAL: Ben


I put pink slips down that you cannot outrun me in reverse.


That wasnt the point Captain Obvious.

^^^he knows his stuff...i think the knowledgable person was me;)


....i wish

ORIGINAL: fallfast90

Mid 14's for a GT (99-04), 14.3ish if they are a really good driver.


No way, my friends uncle owns an 04 GT with bolt ons, and a hurst shifter on some nice tires. His best run down here was a 14.3, and he's a great driver. There is no way a stock gt is running what he does. And as for remmy, it was a joke, you don't have to be an ass about it.

I am tellin ya, those are correct times. Go to mustangforums.com and they will tell you right there. Think about it, the 05's are able to run mid 13s. They have an extra 40hp and i believe a 20tq over the older sn95s. It isn't far fetched at all. As to your uncle, what elevation is he at? That can have a big impact onthe times. Those times i posted above are for 5spds though, sorry i should have been a little more specific.

His is a 5 speed too. In Texas, there is no way a gt is running lower than a 14.6 stock. Maybe thats with the humidity, but I doubt it. He has bolt ons, and the tires and shifter and is at a 14.3, and only hit that once. I'm not saying your a liar, its just he belongs to gtmotorsports in texas and i've been around their mustangs a good bit. They'll admit, even if forums say other wise, that a gt mustang with a good driver and a stick will maybe hit a 14.6, perfect weather conditions i'd give it a 14.5.

Well we are both at a standoff i guess,lol. Anywayz this is the internet so i am gonna stop argueing about that. Anyways, as i said earlier, my car stock CAN hit mid 15's. Not everyone will hit that though, most will probably be running late 15's though (5spd) I think i can drive my car I have had it for 3 years now, and if it wasn't hitting that time when i got it, my CAI and exhaust put it there. As i have stated earlier, there really is no way in knowing how our cars would do against each other, all in all i am saying its a drivers race. Thats all, well these past few posts have strayed from topic,lol[&:]

i <3 paper racing!

:Dhaha

ORIGINAL: dudeman

I've heard stories of civics owning Evo's and civics owning vipers and other powerful cars, but can they really do this?Has your curiousity ever got the better of you with your done up civic?



i do atleast once a month...evos, vettes, porsches, sti's, 350z's, mustangs, etc...:D

i prefer to do my racing with hotwheels. then if someone crashes it's ok and it's always a drivers race

ORIGINAL: matts

i prefer to do my racing with hotwheels.Â* then if someone crashes it's ok and it's always a drivers race
.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Hot Wheels FTW!!!

ORIGINAL: fallfast90

Well we are both at a standoff i guess,lol. Anywayz this is the internet so i am gonna stop argueing about that. Anyways, as i said earlier, my car stock CAN hit mid 15's. Not everyone will hit that though, most will probably be running late 15's though (5spd) I think i can drive my car I have had it for 3 years now, and if it wasn't hitting that time when i got it, my CAI and exhaust put it there. As i have stated earlier, there really is no way in knowing how our cars would do against each other, all in all i am saying its a drivers race. Thats all, well these past few posts have strayed from topic,lol[&:]


You've raced yours and hit a mid fifteen? Slip.

I will hopefully be puttin in some time at our local 1/8 track. Can't do that until we get another car. Can't really afford something to happen to this car yet. I am looking at getting a Ford Edge, once i get that i will be turning this car into a strictly fun/strip car. Gonna be a little bit of time though, most of my money is going to my baby girl that should be here next week!!! Diapers are expensive!!! lol:D

i just seen a ford edge they dont look to bad:)you should do a track run to see where you are at befor you start to mod and put on your turbo kit;)i think you could be in a mid to high 15 sec ,the v6 has decent tq down low ,now if you were a auto i would say 16's for sure, but again who cares , ben relax remember we are all here to talk about cars not to start fights, ....... cant we all just get along[sm=devilangel.gif]:D

I'm not starting a fight, just correcting someone on a subject they do not have correct facts on. Things I don't read on forums, but that I have seen first hand.

i beat my buddys 00 civic si

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbUbL-QkhdY

the camera ran out of memory but u can see i had about a car length on him before it went out

also i beat an RSX but dont have that one on camera

yeah... and then the battery dies and your turbonator spools and you beat him by 18 car lenghths

yea! someone with track experience is here to answer questions correctly.

a stock new edge mustang (99-04) GT is capable whenproperly driven of running low 14s...such as 14.3-14.3...i believe that the fastest "official" time for a new edge gt is like 13.8...that was by some magazine driver...cant think of his name. ive seen automatic new edge GTs (and one manual) running as slow as 15 flat...but thats pretty bad.

ive also seen a new edge V6, 5 -speed, run in the high 15s with very little done, but they werent stock. there is a quickly growing market for the mustang V6s, especially the new 4.0L.

Neat info Pat. I haven't seen you in a while. So if a car in a mag says a car does 15's flat it will be into like mid 15's?

ORIGINAL: johnny

Neat info Pat. I haven't seen you in a while. So if a car in a mag says a car does 15's flat it will be into like mid 15's?


in some cases yes, in some cases no.

generally, when a car is tested, they have pretty good conditions, on a good track. say that a given magazine got a new vette to run a 13.0 on whatever tracks they test. then that same driver took that same vette to lapeer raceway in michigan (a real dump) the odds are good that he would struggle to turn out the same numbers.

now, takea car like an srt4. magazines have reported "stock times" all over the place...and it seems that there are people who have turned out better times than magazines. however magazine times seem to be what john q public can run with better than average driving ability.

yep in my srt i was runnin faster times than most of the mags. i heard of people runnin high 13s in theirs stock. my best was 14 flat. in my honda i beatin many modded spec-v's, lost by three cars to my friends srt. beatin mustangs. i was keepin up wit a new si. but im runnin in the 14s. in my srt i spanked a boxster. there slow. i think its like low 15s not sure though.

the boxters are slow...i believe that theyre running from high 13s to mid 14s, depending on the year.

the best running srt4 stage 0ive seen was running high 12s, but with 15" DRs, a homemade CAI, the exhaust hacked just past the turbo, and it was pretty much emptied out.

ORIGINAL: Patrick

the boxters are slow...i believe that theyre running from high 13s to mid 14s, depending on the year.

the best running srt4 stage 0ive seen was running high 12s, but with 15" DRs, a homemade CAI, the exhaust hacked just past the turbo, and it was pretty much emptied out.


I wouldnt say 13's are slow. But then again arent you running like mid 12's with Your 83' Dodge? lol. How well do you think the new Camaro for 2008 will do in the quater mile. Brother is buying one and he thinks it will be a 10 Sec qauter mile. I tried to tell him like... 13 second. Someone second this? Or correct me? i think the cars engine in a Ls7.. but i could be wrong but i d know its a 400hp 6.0

the few that i have seen so far were all LS2 cars. i believe that the LS7 rumors, right now, are just rumors. I dont believe that GM has given any full scale specs on the car.

If it does get the LS2, its a 400hp engine, and the GTO, with the same engine, runs in the high 12s with a manual, and low 13s with an automatic...both of those are "if properly driven". i know someone with an auto LS2 GTO, and he got into the high 12s once, but it usually stays in the low 13s...and its stock as a rock. i woudl expect similar times out of the camaro...and even with the LS7, it wouldnt be a 10 second car.

my car is running 12.40s, and im still not happy with it, but now i got another car which will slow progress down on the mirada...but in the grand scheme of things, 12.40s isnt too bad. that "slow" comment is more with respect to the rest of the porsche lineup.

I think the new SS may be a little bit quicker than the goats as the GTO's have IRS and I think the new SS is sticking with live axle

*Edit* I may be wrong though.

i didnt think about that...good point. i actually expected it to have IRS, but i cannot recall when i have see the camaros in person.

check that, i have a picture, and while it LOOKS like IRS, its not clear enough from the picture.

post it if you would

i dont have it in high res...sorry.

local://upfiles/858/4D86B7AF721347A19FAFCA31BDA5FDED.jpg

Hard to tell from that but I'd suspect it not to have IRS. The reason the GTO did was because the whole car was allready designed at the time of it's arrival so no need to complicate things. Hell it would not suprize me to see a Vette inspired leaf spring rear.

now u talkin bout the mopar stage 0 on the srt or wat. there are plenty of srts runnin faster than 12s wit out mopar stages. the agp kit will put u easily in the low 11's. my srt runs low 13s not staged. wit radials ill hit 12s

most stockor slightly moddedcivics can beat the scion xA and xB they aernt very fast. VW Beetles and Jettas can be beat also.

If a civic has a turbo though, thatlist grows trumendously

I cant beat much with my car other than the occasional Kia with a fart can lol

everything i've seen about the new camaro is pointing toward a LS2. i'd expect it to run right with a GTO. like patrick said, they run13s pretty consistantly, and the C6 runs mid 12s pretty consistantly. chevy isn't going to let the new camaro steal any thunder away from the vette in the performance department....it's their flagship. i could also see the SS having the LS7, butrealistically unlikely.thelater model SS's only had about 20hp (factory rated) more than the Z28. so if you go by that i'dthink aLS2 tuned somewhere around the 450 mark.even if the LS7happens i still wouldn't look for anything under 12s. again, anything less than that and you're starting to get in Z06 territory....can't take away any of it's glory or bragging rights either.

They will advance the Z06 when time comes and the Comaro will be free'd up a lil. I look for a 6.2 supercharged engine to be in a car soon

No matter what you have someone is always faster. Civics own just about everthing............when it comes to reliablility and miles per gallon. You want a quick civic? Swap the motor. Want a "fast" civic, you need boost. Stock or swapped motor, build it, boost it, tune it. Even a fully builtand boostedD series engine (properly tuned) will pretty much own most of the cars on the road. If I could have any combo honda I wanted, I would simply take an EG Hatch and a K20 type R motor, built and boosted. If you can figure out how to get traction..........you have a car that is almost untouchable......but it sure as hell aint cheap.

ORIGINAL: Pete

No matter what you have someone is always faster. Civics own just about everthing............when it comes to reliablility and miles per gallon. You want a quick civic? Swap the motor. Want a "fast" civic, you need boost. Stock or swapped motor, build it, boost it, tune it. Even a fully builtand boostedD series engine (properly tuned) will pretty much own most of the cars on the road. If I could have any combo honda I wanted, I would simply take an EG Hatch and a K20 type R motor, built and boosted. If you can figure out how to get traction..........you have a car that is almost untouchable......but it sure as hell aint cheap.


thats why you custom mount the engine in the hatch and have the fuel cell in the engine bay.

^Good idea, youre going to be sweating bullets at the track thou. I was thinking more along the lines of traction bars, slicks and a good suspension.

ORIGINAL: matts

everything i've seen about the new camaro is pointing toward a LS2. i'd expect it to run right with a GTO. like patrick said, they run13s pretty consistantly, and the C6 runs mid 12s pretty consistantly. chevy isn't going to let the new camaro steal any thunder away from the vette in the performance department....it's their flagship. i could also see the SS having the LS7, butrealistically unlikely.thelater model SS's only had about 20hp (factory rated) more than the Z28. so if you go by that i'dthink aLS2 tuned somewhere around the 450 mark.even if the LS7happens i still wouldn't look for anything under 12s. again, anything less than that and you're starting to get in Z06 territory....can't take away any of it's glory or bragging rights either.



that is true about the power difference, but it was dyno proven in many cases that the LS1 engines all put down pretty much the same amount.

94civhatch, the srt that i was talking about was stage 0, in that he had no improvements. stock injectors, stock tune, stock turbo and waste gate. what are you trapping running low 13s, and with what short times.

marty, i wouldnt hold my breathe on seeing a factory blown V8 from GM, as the LSXs dont seem to need the help...after all, they arent ford. ;)

they allready have a factory blown engine in the sts-v ;)

i know...i was trying to make a funny...:D

i was trappin at 104.87 mph.

wow..very nice. my traps are within the same ballpark depending on the track and weather...typically around 104-106.

actually i read somewhere the new corvette ss or blueray or devilray....or whatever the hell it's going to be called is going to be a blown LSx motor. could be fact...could be myth.

and the XLR-V has a supercharger too.

i seen in a new hod rod mag, gm is working on a supercharged ls engine. what it will be in no one knows yet, but i am sure it will find its way into something.

watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CG_AHmVh-A&mode=related&search=
i dont know if the viper dident know how to drive or what

ORIGINAL: matts

actually i read somewhere the new corvette ss or blueray or devilray....or whatever the hell it's going to be called is going to be a blown LSx motor. could be fact...could be myth.

and the XLR-V has a supercharger too.


there have been rumors for quite a while now that GM has been testing the Z07 mule, and supposedly it has a blown LS7...but who knows where those rumors come from. i woudl be very surprised to see a factory blown corvette.

No actually the test mule has a 800hp blown 6.2 so around a 370 to 377ci engine. GM is also gearing up to replace the northstars with a 5.3 dohc v8 which should be interesting.

Hmmm Neat stuff. but my brother is a ricer and still thinks it will run ten's to low 11's stock. I told him that it wouldnt. He still told me i don't know anything about carrs. says the Z24 driver

ORIGINAL: Ben

Hyundai's :)

also. to make a list longer: 18 wheeler, karts (not at autox)!

ORIGINAL: Marty

No actually the test mule has a 800hp blown 6.2 so around a 370 to 377ci engine. GM is also gearing up to replace the northstars with a 5.3 dohc v8 which should be interesting.


where did you read that? i would be interested in having a look at it...ive not found any articles that didnt have some grainy picture of what looks like a Z06 with some tarps taped to it...:D

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/spyphotoid/6061010.001/country/gm/chevrolet/spy-photos-chevrolet-corvette-ss

it's all over the place I just dont feel like digging a bunch for article left and right.

but thats all speculation, based on the ears of a photographer...theyre guessing...and how could someone hear what size engine it has?

ORIGINAL: Patrick

but thats all speculation, based on the ears of a photographer...theyre guessing...and how could someone hear what size engine it has?



you mean people can't do that? [8D]

just give it time

i mean, its surely not impossible, but i hate when people post things like "he could hear" what engine it was...

Muffler can make a nascar sound like a Honda.....Well not that crazy but still. You can't really gather that much info through the noise it makes.

ORIGINAL: Patrick

i mean, its surely not impossible, but i hate when people post things like "he could hear" what engine it was...


That is not the important thing, the important thing is a supercharger was heard

maybe it was one of those tailpipe whistles...:D

ORIGINAL: Patrick

maybe it was one of those tailpipe whistles...:D


If I was a car manufacturer I would surely do that:-D

well i can see it to an extent. if you're really familiar with a particular vehicle and know what motors are offered one could probably tell a difference. just depends on the motors offered. if the 2 motors are different cylinders (like a 4 and 6 or 6 and 8, etc) totally believable. even with aftermarket exhaust you should be able to tell the difference between them. and if a car has forced induction it's usually pretty obvious. so i can see some feasability in it, but i was say it's an exception, not a rule

so youre saying that ifi puta blown LS1 with test exhaustnext to a blown LS7 with test exhaust, more than 1 out of 100 people would be able to point out which is which, beyond a reasonable doubt?

ORIGINAL: Patrick

so youre saying that ifi puta blown LS1 with test exhaustnext to a blown LS7 with test exhaust, more than 1 out of 100 people would be able to point out which is which, beyond a reasonable doubt?


If you reved them I could tell w/o a doubt in my mind......of course this is stock vs stock and with a blower. But I do agree noway could he have told what size it is by the sound. All that can be assured is that it is a 364ci or bigger engine as I dont see chevy ever dropping the 5.3/4.8 in it. And it is going around that the new Comaro will have a 6.2 in it(as will everything on the new rwd platform) The new Pontiac G8 will have one and it is said they will offer the G8 with a M6 and in coupe version.

ORIGINAL: Patrick

so youre saying that ifi puta blown LS1 with test exhaustnext to a blown LS7 with test exhaust, more than 1 out of 100 people would be able to point out which is which, beyond a reasonable doubt?


not what i'm saying. i'm saying it's pretty obvious if a car is n/a or forced induction. i'm saying put that blown LS1 next to the LS7 and you should be able to tell a big difference in the tone


and sayyou have a 4cylinder car with an exhaust and you have the optional 6cylinder in the same car you should be able to hear a difference. exhaust tone should be totallydifferent. not saying it's going to be without a doubt, but should have a good ratio of picking them

true, but this person in question heard a blown engine, and he knew that it was a 6.2?

i saw the 08 viper mule up close and personal, including under the hood over a year ago...maybe two years ago now. i knew what i saw, but i didnt post it as fact on any of my sites, although a few people asked me, i commented on what i saw and knew for a fact. there was a rumor that it would be a twin TB, 8.4L with a bigger intake manifold than the current viper (8.3L).

I knew that it had the bigger manifold in mule form, and i knew that the hood would be different. i also knew that the engine had twin throttle bodies, but i didnt know whether or not it had an extra 0.1L of displacement. Hell, I run an SRT info site, and I still dont post anything that isnt comfirmed as a fact, and if I post anything that might not be 100% true, I will mention again and again that it is "popular opinion" or "just a rumor". Here is my sig from DF:


http://www.SRTBlog.com (http://www.srtblog.com/) - The latest SRT news without the pointless rumors claimed as fact.


As I make a living writing about cars, it drives me nuts that SO MANY people who consider themselves "automotive journalists" spread rumors just to appear to have a "scoop". Part of the problem is that many "automotive journalists" are people who went to school to learn to write, so they have excellent sentence structure but little-to-no automotive background or knowledge. Many people assume that "since so and so at blahblahblahblog.org said that the new camaro will fly, it must be true", and that isnt the case. But since so much of the online media has no conscience or regard for the truth, it just gets worse and worse. Thats exactly why I write the way that I do, with nothing that I didnt see with my own eyes if it isnt official, and the rest is official. Had I seen an engine ID plate on the viper mule that I got to look at that stated that it was an 8.4L, I would have stated that the one that I saw had an 8.4L, but it did not, at least not that I saw. The people who permitted me to view it were not too keen on letting me look for long...I wasnt even "allowed" to take pictures.

But then again, what the hell do I know...ive only been in a new Camaro and Challenger once each.

well i'm not saying the original poster isn't a complete dumbass :D

haha...it was an odd topic...and wording.