Is there any civics here in the forum that could beat a stock 350z?
350Z's are pretty fast right?
It's because this kid from our school drives 350Z (fat, rich, probably his parents bought him) and starts saying crap about other people's car. I was wondering what kind of civic would beat 350Z...and it's the brutal truth, but he knows how to drive...I think.
I'm not sure what trim it is...

forget it.

fat kids with sports cars aren't worth losing your license or life over.

Haha no, I'm not gonna race him or anything.
I just wanna know how fast it is. HOW So Great his car is.

pretty damm good actually.

Road & Track proclaimed it the most fun car under $30K sold in america, beating out a WRX, EVO, Civic Si, etc.

it's pretty quick for a V6 car too, with great handling. but it's had quality control problems, and has zero room inside. but it is a sports car after all.

no stock civic can take a 350z, although i beat one, kinda. just becuase of traffic, he was a good friend...his dad laffed at us (he was in the pass. seat) but we only went to 80. i got a car on him before his auto downshifted, after it did, he made it up quick, and would have raped me if not for a semi in his lane.

yeah, i beat one of them last week.......

hm I dont know maybe a boosted k20 will give a 350z a run.

maybe a gutted k20 6th gen will give it a big run for it's money

A boosted K20 would blow a 350Z's doors off. Oh and a K20 in a "gutted" 5th or 6th generation hatch is a low 13 second car, with the stock K20 motor. On a quick google search I found the 350Z to be a mid 14 second car. Hehe my GSR swap might run with it, prob get beat out, but not by much.

A honda civic can do anything you put your mind (and life savings lol) to. Remember that and live by it!!!

ORIGINAL: drbyers

pretty damm good actually.

Road & Track proclaimed it the most fun car under $30K sold in america, beating out a WRX, EVO, Civic Si, etc.

it's pretty quick for a V6 car too, with great handling. but it's had quality control problems, and has zero room inside. but it is a sports car after all.




Yeah, but MT and CaD both prefer the EVO:D

And it's not a V6, just so you know.

It handles like a fat car, which it is. Well over 3k lbs.

ORIGINAL: Pete

A boosted K20 would blow a 350Z's doors off. Oh and a K20 in a "gutted" 5th or 6th generation hatch is a low 13 second car, with the stock K20 motor. On a quick google search I found the 350Z to be a mid 14 second car. Hehe my GSR swap might run with it, prob get beat out, but not by much.


Because googling 1/4 times are the most reliable source of information possible. Stock 350's are low 14 - high 13 cars.

True 350zs are low 14s. But a gutted 5th gen with a K-swap would eat it through the twisties. On the straight away it would be a drivers race IMO.

ORIGINAL: US3R!!!11one

ORIGINAL: Pete

A boosted K20 would blow a 350Z's doors off. Oh and a K20 in a "gutted" 5th or 6th generation hatch is a low 13 second car, with the stock K20 motor. On a quick google search I found the 350Z to be a mid 14 second car. Hehe my GSR swap might run with it, prob get beat out, but not by much.


Because googling 1/4 times are the most reliable source of information possible. Stock 350's are low 14 - high 13 cars.



true, but gutted 5/6th gen k20's are a tad faster, but lacks the torque just like any other H motor

mhmmm, imagine a gutted performanced out 350, i mean i like civs but in PAS magazine there is a Z from canada boosted making 700hp, so a stock Z could be beat by a swapped civ, i think it would be pretty hard with a modded Z, lol sorry just a big nismo and Z fan. civic;)

a few things...the newest 350Zs, when moderately well driven, will run in the 13s...keep in mind that nismo offers some factory performance stuff such as exhaust, intake, and i believe headers...and they also offer factory installed performance suspension setups.

and please...lets not get into the "in the twisties" nonsense...the Z cars are VERY good handling cars.

I think theyre great cars, and I love how they (along with the G35 coupe) share that unique exhaust tone. Very nice.

I for one am not that impressed by them. Don't get me wrong, they are nice cars, but for the supposed power they put out and the size of them i would figure to be faster. I have driven my bosses 350z vert and i really wasn't impressed with the stupid auto/stick transmission. Now i am biased being a mustang guy, but my boss bought an 02 vert for like 28K when they had 05 GT stangs for like 25k and can run mid 13's opposed to a car that do mid to low 14's. Now i know they are pretty different, but i think you just get a better deal with the stang. You have a bigger trunk, back seat, more power, newer car, and bigger aftermarket. But i guess each to his own.

ORIGINAL: fallfast90

I for one am not that impressed by them. Don't get me wrong, they are nice cars, but for the supposed power they put out and the size of them i would figure to be faster. I have driven my bosses 350z vert and i really wasn't impressed with the stupid auto/stick transmission. Now i am biased being a mustang guy, but my boss bought an 02 vert for like 28K when they had 05 GT stangs for like 25k and can run mid 13's opposed to a car that do mid to low 14's. Now i know they are pretty different, but i think you just get a better deal with the stang. You have a bigger trunk, back seat, more power, newer car, and bigger aftermarket. But i guess each to his own.


The stangs suspension is outdated very badly also and would have it's ass handed to it by the Z on a road course. Also the manual Z's are not to far off from the new GT's as far as 1/4 mile times. I drove a new GT and I am not at all a Ford fan so bare with me. I had high hopes for it, I love the way they look, their stance, and the aftermarket for them but when I drove it just as when I test drove a 04 Cobra waas very disappointed. The car had like 900 miles on it(The Cobra had like 28.000) and to be honest it felt sloppy, old, and not all that quick. The Cobra was the same way. It sucked because I really wanted to buy one and thought Ford had got their heads out of their ass on the new Mustang. But I guess not as the shifter felt like it was about to fall of, it made old car noises if you know what I mean(rattles, clanks, so on and so forth).

It may sound like I am making this up but I really got out of the 05 GT and stepped into a 350Z coupe hard top with the tiptronic automatic and I know it was not as fast as the stang but it felt like twice the car. But in the end I myself felt as if both of them were way overrated as far as their fan fair and I myself would not buy either one for the price they go for. Right now for the price in that market segment I honestly dont see to many things as being worth what their price tag is.

Good Point, probably why i will NEVER buy a new car. I don't think anything will live up to ones expectations, you will always have to settle for something. Another thing is that no matter how great a car is, you will always have an affinity(spelling?) for a certian car/type thenanother.I know there are a lot of cars that are better then the stang when it comes to performance,comfort, handling, but the truth is i will always have a stang from now on. I am sure a few of youguys can relate to this with your cars. Cars are a very tricky market and it is always changing. That is also a great thingbecause you have great variety andan awsome hobby to get into!

all of my vehicles are currently paid off, and i will be making payments on a new car within the next 18 months, barring any health issues, sudden financial drains, etc.

I think people who only buy used cars are crazy...especially performance cars. my current DD was purchased new, and while its no ferrari, ive seen them driven into the ground. unlessthe car is dirt cheap, or it includes a comprehensive warrarny,ill never buy a used car. you dont know whats been done to it...and even with maintenance records, youre only taking their word for it. I coudl very quickly put together full records since the day it was new for my 02 cobra and they would look perfectly believable...

i dont own a cobra, and there were no 2002 cobras sold in the US. but i could still come up with receipts to prove that mine was well maintained. id rather pay 43000 for a 300c srt8 fresh off the line, (that i know has a warranty and im the first person to beat it up) than pay 20,000 for a 2002 firebird...i have no idea how badly the redneck(s) who owned it before me beat it....even things like wrecks can be covered up if someone wants to hide it badly enough. when i buy a car, i want to know how how many times there have been huge smokey burnouts done...i want to know how much times its been bounced off the rev limiter...etc.

and of course new cars arent technically worth what they cost...youre paying 30,000+ dollars for what started as a couple grand worth of steel. but, what choice do you have? drive old cars forever?

ORIGINAL: Patrick
what choice do you have? drive old cars forever?


I honestly have no problem doing that and I do agree you never know what a car has been through but in the same sense I am not going to buy a new car for the sake of having a new car. Buying new from a dealer to me is just such a bad investment as right when you drive it off the lot you lose $1500 or $2000 from tha value. Then on top of that auto companies are getting ever more anal about what you can do to your car and still retain the warrenty. I know it is nice to have a warrenty but as it stands now I have no desire to own a car and not mod it to my likeing on top of that I refuse to take a kick in the balls from dealer mark ups, fake incentive plans/sales, or go through having to deal with cocky ass salesman that know a tenth about any given car that I do.

YeaI will keep buying used, I have worked on my cars for as long as I have been driving so no need to change now.

ORIGINAL: Patrick

I think people who only buy used cars are crazy...especially performance cars. my current DD was purchased new, and while its no ferrari, ive seen them driven into the ground. unlessthe car is dirt cheap, or it includes a comprehensive warrarny,ill never buy a used car. you dont know whats been done to it...and even with maintenance records, youre only taking their word for it. I coudl very quickly put together full records since the day it was new for my 02 cobra and they would look perfectly believable...


Some people don't have the option of buying a new car. There is a vast array of socio-economic cross-section on this forum. It is truely a luxury to be able to afford and enjoy the pleasures of owning a brand new vehicle. I have never owned a used car or motorcycle, boat or anything. But, I was able to do it. Some people I work with make twice as much as I, and they still would prefer to buy used under the " I don't want to take all the depreciation" argument. Very few cares "appreciate" anyway. If you pick and choose what vehicle you want, and take good care of it, it will typically last a considerable time. The depreciation hit only comes to bear if you are trading in or flipping cars frequently. Who wants an abused vehicle? Nobody should, but you have to live within your means. So, Patrick, you are one of the fortunate ones. ( I consider myself fortunate also ).Sh!t, I better be where I'm at by MY age!!!People do stumble across some gems out there in the used car arena,too,and can make themselves quite a ride, rivaling any off-the-showroom specimens and then some! That's the beauty of the car enthusiast hobby to me !

SMOKEM

i dont want it to seem like i have only owned new cars. i have bought used vehicles, but they were beaters...other than my stratus, ive never paid more than 4 grand for a car. the white car was 400 bucks. my truck was 500. another used car that i bought was the bmw, which was also VERY VERY cheap...i think that we paid around 2100 for it. i see people who pay 15,000-20,000 for a car, and i think that its crazy.

marty, one of the reasons that i am all for buying new, is that i have worked in the industry long enough that i dont pay markups. i have family that is retired GM, so we get a big discount on them...we also have retired and current employees of DCX as friends and family, so even if its only getting a friend to sell me a car as low as he can, its still less than most people pay. my stratus was stickered at something like 26,000, and i bought it a week after i graduated from college. in my bickering with the salesman, i got it down around 21 or so. still alot of money, yes, but when i see these people who pay 10,000 for a used ranger, and then have to spend a couple grand here and there...its crazy to me...and i wouldnt even have to pay to fix things as i can do most work myself. also, with the warranty, the moss magnuson act protects people who want to modify their vehicle, and nowadays, more and more companies are offering factory performance stuff.

smokem, did you buy the GN new? if so, thats awesome...you dont meet many people anymore who hold onto things. the white car was my first, 13 years ago now. while i know what you mean about people who bounce from car to car...im too much of an enthusiast to do that..when i buy a vehicle, even a beater, i to so because i liek the vehicle to some extent, and i plan to get the most out of them. i bought the stratus rt because i really liked the body style, and i find the car incredibly comfortable...it was between that, or wating for the srt4, and the srt4 isnt very comfortable for long drives...i have done small things to my car, and while its not as fast as id like, i still enjoy the car...i dont think that enough people really enjoy their cars anymore...

ORIGINAL: Patrick


smokem, did you buy the GN new? if so, thats awesome...you dont meet many people anymore who hold onto things. the white car was my first, 13 years ago now. while i know what you mean about people who bounce from car to car...im too much of an enthusiast to do that..when i buy a vehicle, even a beater, i to so because i liek the vehicle to some extent, and i plan to get the most out of them. i bought the stratus rt because i really liked the body style, and i find the car incredibly comfortable...it was between that, or wating for the srt4, and the srt4 isnt very comfortable for long drives...i have done small things to my car, and while its not as fast as id like, i still enjoy the car...i dont think that enough people really enjoy their cars anymore...


Yeah, my GN was purchased new 10 August 1987. It was a present to ME. My window sticker said ADM $5000. I said if that's additional dealer markup then take it in nickels and stick them up your azz! I got it for $21k. I had purchased a fully loaded Nissan SEV6 4x4 from the same dealer so I was "car poor" for a while. The GN was $444.42/ month and the Nissan was $438.15 . Plus the insurance and sh!t it was over a grand a month just for the cars. I was lucky to be a 31 year old making decent $$$ as a Satcom Engineer at the time, and my side business "paid" for the cars. I bought a 1989 Chevy S10 4x4 Ext Cab and ran it till 2000 with 275,000 miles, sold it for $3000 and bought the 2000ZR2 4x4. Hopefully, I'll get the same mileage or better. it has 80k already. This December, I walked in to the Subie dealership and told the salesperson ( how PC) that if they couldn't negotiate the deal for my wifes 07 Forrester then get someone in this room who could. I squeze them like a grape to the point where they say, "You're willing to not buy this car for xxxx dollars?" and I comeback and respond saying , "You are willing to lose this sale for the same amount". I always get hooked up. Cash is king. No bullsh!t from sleazy salespeople. F**k them all. Sell me the FN car and get lost! They will eat most people up and exploit the least able to afford their games with hidden insurances/warranties/pricing and other tom-foolery.

SMOKEM

Here is an example of dealership BS, that people dont try to get around.

when i bought my stratus, there was an additional charge of 900 dollars for a sunroof. It was not included in the price of the RT package. I told them to order me one that didnt have a sunroof, and take the 900 dollars off. They told me that it had to come with a sunroof, as they all did; excluding it wasnt an option. I told them that I would talk to some other dealerships about that, and they quickly knocked off that 900 bucks.

If you push enough, they can make just about anything happen...while they will often make comments about how they cant go lower (meaning they wont make any commission) salesmen still get bonuses for sales volume, so even if they dont make money on a given sale, they still benefit from it...also, around certain times of year, they run specials for the salesmen where they get an automatic flat rate for every car sold, on top of the commission (typically 20%-ish of sale over cost.).

i didnt make my original point well. i understand buying used cars...what i dont understand is people who get cars that are a few years old, and make payments on them. I woudl rather drive a beater that cost me 500 bucks, than pay a couple hundred bucks a month for a car that is already worn out...but i do understand that its not an option for everyone.

There is also the option of leasing, for people who dont wish to modify...although I would never lease.

I got my car for like 15k after dealership fee's and extended warranty. When i got the car though it wasa 2000 with only 26,000miles on it. It was a little high i guess being a 4yr old car, but i'll tell you what, the damn thing is still impressing me. It is about to roll over 100,000 miles and the only thing that has gone mechanically is a leaky tube that i replaced. Now i have replaced normal wear and tear items such as brake pads/rotors, tires, 1 clutch, but besides that everything running great. If you are going to purchase used, just take your time and inspect carefully.

if i were to buy a used car for an amount which would required financing and payments (anything over about 8 grand), i would have to be getting a SMOKIN' deal.
Right now, I am waiting on the new dodge challenger. if dodge drops the ball and makes it one of their high priced limited edition vehicles, we will probably look into a 300c srt8.

however, weve talked to a few dealership people who said they are desperate to get rid of srt10 rams right now, and i met someone who is leasing one for like 280 a month!! i was told that there could be a great deal worked out for a sale, but i dont want another truck.

I hope that the new challenger won't be a limited edition car, same thing with the camaro. I wanta new "muscle" car war era again damn it!!!:D

Haha, K20 boosted eh. That'll be around 300 hp? I dunno...
He brought the car into our shop today. He wanted me to freakingbleedand checkthe brakes or something....probably just pissed off cause I said "Rich Fatass" to him in the morning. I refused to check his brakes and he went and told the teacher. DAMN. This kid knows nothing about cars.

i dont know about this kid, but i dont think id be messing with the brakes on a new z if it were mine, with my experience anyways, but dam, i know what u mean about those rich fat kids, there was one at my school that actually drove a chipped dodge diesel, he said it was his but mabey mabey it was his parents, anyways, i dont care what people say, but diesels haul a** when u do the least amount of work on them, like a bullydog chip and custom exhaust, one guy i work with is running a 5 inch exhaust or something crazy, on a welding truck!!! loud;) anyways, that kid with the z is just a punk showing off bringing a his car into a scool shop, it is a school shop right?

Yeah yeah. We're supposed to do all this, when someone needs help with their car, we just help out...[:'(]

ya cool, i had a school shop too, never really got any cool cars in their though:(

Well to answer your question, my car will beat stock or I/H/E Zs, blower or turbo and I'm in some trouble.

I love the way the Zs look, but you'll never see me driving one.

if the price is right, i'llbuy it in a heartbeat

i wouldn't personally buy one, i too am a mustang guy at heart so.......[&:] hey thats a nice ride you have sov;)

I started to run with a 350z the other day and he took off on me...i started to gain on him but then we went our seperate ways(i had to turn)....there was an mr2 way back there also...the 350 took off on me more than i thought it would, cause i can hang infirst and second on my homies modded WRX thats way faster than a 350....i think he had an auto too....

good looking cars, but i think they're overrated, just like the RX8.

i would buy one if i came across a good deal

I had video of an old friend of mine beating a stock 350z from a dead stop with nothing but an EG hatch gutted w/ a B16A, intake, header, and drag radials. The hatch got 2-3 car lengths on the 350Z from the jumpand held him at bay the whole way down to the end of the strip. It was actually funny because the 350 owner was talking smack the whole time until the race. Suprisingly the whole crowd was betting on the hatch to win and it did. lol

Yea but who wants to drive a gutted car?? I would rather drive a slightly slower fully equiped interior car then ride around on milk crates(exaggeration;))

hey fall, u must be a mustang guy too?:) and yeah matts, your right about the overated thing those rx8 r very over rated

ORIGINAL: fallfast90

Yea but who wants to drive a gutted car?? I would rather drive a slightly slower fully equiped interior car then ride around on milk crates(exaggeration;))


I even have back seats. ;)

i'd only drive a gutted car if it were an everynow and then weekend cruiser

i dont have a back seat (in the white car), but i never ride around with more than one other person in the car...

and i wouldnt say that the 350z is as over rated as the rx8...the rx8 is a REAL pig.

^ true, so true

just to let you guys know, 350z's are not as fast as everyone thinks. Buddy of mine w/a 96 hatch stock k20 typeR FULL interior whooped my others friends brand new Z by about 6-8cars. Off the line and on a roll. So yeah I'd pay 6g and get a k20 to put in my civic before i'd buy a 20-30K 350z just to lose to a civic with.

Stock civic k20typeR ran 13.1
Stock 350z ran 14.7

ya, civics aren't that fast either when stock, and for a new car, 30k is like an average, that new si 07 is like what, 25k? I like nissan cars and nismo is very good quality performance parts, my buddy has an old pulsar nismo tuned a bit and it lays a whipping to alot of cars, i just dont see why everyone cares if a 350z is slow stock or not, most 30k sports cars arent that fast (except for the wrx sti[8D] and a few others ) but anyways, yeah civics can be mad fast, but i think 6k could buy a pretty nice turbo kit:eek: for the Z, cause performance enthusiasts that buy a z, probally have money to spend on this car to make it fast, and as far as slow stock, i thought they were pretty quick, ive only ridden in one as a passenger, but we were doing about 190 up a hill, a long hill at that, so.... all im saying is the 350 is nice car, stop hatin dudes, they probally say the same about our civics[:@]

ORIGINAL: 4doorcivic9

just to let you guys know, 350z's are not as fast as everyone thinks. Buddy of mine w/a 96 hatch stock k20 typeR FULL interior whooped my others friends brand new Z by about 6-8cars. Off the line and on a roll. So yeah I'd pay 6g and get a k20 to put in my civic before i'd buy a 20-30K 350z just to lose to a civic with.

Stock civic k20typeR ran 13.1
Stock 350z ran 14.7


a K20 swap cost around $6000+ to get into that car also

and a stock 350z only running in the high 14s is being very poorly driven...even for the early lower powered models.

not to mention you can get a base model 04 350z for less than $18k these days

ORIGINAL: megafandrew

ya, civics aren't that fast either when stock, and for a new car, 30k is like an average, that new si 07 is like what, 25k? I like nissan cars and nismo is very good quality performance parts, my buddy has an old pulsar nismo tuned a bit and it lays a whipping to alot of cars, i just dont see why everyone cares if a 350z is slow stock or not, most 30k sports cars arent that fast (except for the wrx sti[8D] and a few others ) but anyways, yeah civics can be mad fast, but i think 6k could buy a pretty nice turbo kit:eek: for the Z, cause performance enthusiasts that buy a z, probally have money to spend on this car to make it fast, and as far as slow stock, i thought they were pretty quick, ive only ridden in one as a passenger, but we were doing about 190 up a hill, a long hill at that, so.... all im saying is the 350 is nice car, stop hatin dudes, they probally say the same about our civics[:@]


new civic si, around $25k with every option... maybeif you got every option
they're $21ish to start, and there aren't many options beyond wheels & underbody spoilers etc

as for calling a wrx sti a sports car, i refuse to call any vehicle with 4 doors a "sports" car

it's a family car with a modded drivetrain

true sports cars require 2 doors, and preferably a convertible option... even more so if it doesn't have a back seat...

for the most part, insurance companies consider the same...

2 doors = sports
4 doors = family

hence why i could insure a 4 door si for less than a 2 door...

and why it'd be possible to insure a sti for less than a 2 door impreza

or an evo for less than a eclipse

id like some back up on that claijm of the insurance being lower on an evo than on an eclipse because the evo has four doors.

i drive a stratus RT coupe, and a few years ago my insuarance was about 1100a year. i have a perfect driving record...no accidents, no tickets...and if i would have traded it on an srt4, my insurance would have almost doubled.

with my clean record

progressive quotes

$205.71/month for the evo (lancer)
$205.38/month for the eclipse

so the same pretty much...

most insurance companies don't distinguish between different trims of a car when looking for insurance ;), i'm sure if i inputted a vin #, it'd come out a bit more for an evo

though having talked to my agent recently (have been thinking about getting a new car)

she told me i'd pay less for sedan v coupe on the Si
and less for a tsx than an older rsx
and about the same for an evo as i would an eclipse

205 a month?! how old are you?

almost 24 with a perfect driving record, no tickets, no accidents, no written warnings, defensive driving school & license for almost 8 years

ORIGINAL: cderalow

as for calling a wrx sti a sports car, i refuse to call any vehicle with 4 doors a "sports" car

it's a family car with a modded drivetrain

true sports cars require 2 doors, and preferably a convertible option... even more so if it doesn't have a back seat...



I follow this motion !

That super expensive for a perfect driving record...

cncivic

ORIGINAL: cderalow

almost 24 with a perfect driving record, no tickets, no accidents, no written warnings, defensive driving school & license for almost 8 years


wow...i cant believe its that high for you. my car is basically an 02 eclipse GT...and i only pay like 800 a year. im 28. then again, you havent gotten to the 25 platform yet.

ORIGINAL: Patrick

ORIGINAL: cderalow

almost 24 with a perfect driving record, no tickets, no accidents, no written warnings, defensive driving school & license for almost 8 years


wow...i cant believe its that high for you. my car is basically an 02 eclipse GT...and i only pay like 800 a year. im 28. then again, you havent gotten to the 25 platform yet.



i also live in a relatively high theft area, afterall, i'm considered part of the metro wdc area.... my civic is $130 a month now

that makes a bit more sense. mine is based on the middle of no where in PA...

Every insurance company has different ways of rating their drivers. There are many factors that play a part inyour rates. Just because two people are the same age it doesnt mean they're going to have similar rates. For instance, the state you live in, the zip code you live in, previous coverage (any laspes in coverage) , previous claims (even if it was with a different company), how much money was paid out on the previous claims,current level of coverages you're seeking (deductibles, limits, and etc.) accidents, traffic infractions, your age,year, make & model of the insuredvehicle, how may drivers there are in your household, and etc. If you have a previous claim that isnt even your fault your rates may still be affected if you have to use your own coverages for the cost of the damages because you're then considered a risk factor. Your credit even has something to do with it sometimes. The list offactors insurance companies consider goes on and on. I work for a large auto insurance company so to be perfectly honestyou guys are really just wasting your time going back and forth about your rates. lol

well, if your not calling an sti a sports car, because no one ever said a sports car has to have two doors, thats only what some insurance companies claim, because saying a car with 2 doors is sport, is plain stupid, lets consider a sunfire with two doors, nice sports car, and actually, a sti is not a family sedan, its whats called a performance sedan, its more than a upgraded tranny, its got locking diff, sti suspension, obviously the engine is a 4cy making 300hp, its a very well built car and very fast, bmw and such also make these, and alot of them can lay the smack down on a two door car. Im not sure where u live, but my insurance here does not consider the doors or colour as much as theft and claims that have been made on a vehicle type, and as far as i new, a car with two doors is a coupe, and a convertible is a convertible, and dude, sorry for wrong wording with the sports car on an sti, i should have said performance or sports sedan. now a 4dr neon sx, thats not a sports sedan, but man im worked up about the sti[&:]lol, but cmon, thats why people are so ignorant to those of us who actually do mod r civics with quality parts and put out good numbers, alot of people say its a economy car, which it is 2 or 4 dr, stock. all im trying to say is an sti is alot more sport, then alot of 2 doors out there. i looked into a 1991 skyline gt-s, and it cost me less for insurance than an 05 cavalier would have, and ive had an accident resulting in claim

boop. The kid got smoked by one of the girl at our school. He doesn't brag so much about his car anymore...
So HAHAHA[&:]

what kind of car was she driving?

Mustang GT. I/H/E, I'm not sure about other mods...she hadn't let me look under her hood yet.;)

haha, i just hope this kid wasn't driving a 07 z, because depending on the year of that gt, they aren't all that fast with i/h/e, they are heavy cars, o well it will teach the fat kid to drive and brag less;)

ORIGINAL: megafandrew

haha, i just hope this kid wasn't driving a 07 z, because depending on the year of that gt, they aren't all that fast with i/h/e, they are heavy cars, o well it will teach the fat kid to drive and brag less;)


350z's are quick... 14 stock, new mustang GT's, not sure what they are supposed to run, but i havnt seen one run under 14's yet, modded or stock. actually the fastest new stang i have seen at the track was a turboed v6, and he was running low 13's iirc. I used to loose to the 350z's when i was stock, but ikill those and new GT's now. a boosted k20, or like already said, an older civic hatch with a n/a k20 swap could take em.

Its pretty common knowledge that 05+ GT stangs can run mid 13's stock (5spd). Those cars are 3v which respond to mods a heck of a lot better then the old 2v(96-04). Those people you saw probablyjust couldn't drive. What elevation are you at? That can play a major role as well.


I will have to say +1 for the turbo v6 ;)

ORIGINAL: fallfast90

Its pretty common knowledge that 05+ GT stangs can run mid 13's stock (5spd). Those cars are 3v which respond to mods a heck of a lot better then the old 2v(96-04). Those people you saw probablyjust couldn't drive. What elevation are you at? That can play a major role as well.


I will have to say +1 for the turbo v6 ;)


I hope that hes in denver, if not much higher, seeing as how he hasnt seen anyone in a GT500 run in the 12s or faster, and he hasnt seen a modified GT run better than 14s...:eek:

HAHA! +1

actually im about 110 ft above sea level.

and to be honest with you i dont know if i haveseen a gt500 at the track period... so how would i have seen one run 12's. most mustangs you see at the track are older gens that i really dont care about paying attention to anyway. but ya, i said i dont know what they are supposed to run, but i havnt seen a new GT in the 13's yet, and if i did, i just dont remember cuz i dont really care. only mustang im sure about was the turboed v6, and thats only because i thought it was pretty cool and talked to him about it. The shop in clearwater that does most of my work actually specializes in mustangs(Race Related)...they have some pretty siq onesin the shop, a new gt they did a twin turbo build on, and a couple of older ones.... the owner drives some kind of roush i have never seen before. the side skirt says "GT 850," or "GR 800" or somthing along thos lines. never seen him run any of his stangs but im sure they are all pretty bad ass.

This is an old thread I know, but to answer your questions about the Z:

I ran a best of 13.77 in the quarter bone stock with my '06 350Z - it is not stock anymore, and I haven't ran it since so I don't know what it does now. The '07 are even faster running low 13's at the track frequently. I posted my timeslip in the timeslip section.

i go against 350z's all the time. i have never raced any though that had aftermarket parts... i have not lost to a stock one yet though i know if they had as much as me they would blow my doors off i would imagine... well thats what i have heard anyways.