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RE: Who would win? - 3/25/2007 10:13:49 PM
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phoenix_gtr
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Piece together a turbo kit and get a tune. You'll put up a good fight.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/25/2007 10:41:26 PM
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b8teen
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thats what im sayin,,, get a turbo and all the ness equipment, and a good tune. then you can start playin with the gts and so forth. im building a turbo kit right now, takin time, doin it right. then ill be able to play with the v8's.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/25/2007 11:13:52 PM
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Patrick
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race other 4 cylinder, naturally aspirated cars.
there isnt much that youre going to do with a grand and that car to beat a new GT.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/26/2007 12:07:33 AM
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Ben
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Or, throw in a B18 USDM engine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP, ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.
To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.
To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.
I sure hope that that 225WHP can get the civic into mid 13's. Not to mention "putting a few cars on a 05" well that civic better be damn close to the 12's then. Honestly i don't see 225hp getting a 2000 si into the low 13's (maybe if it had gutted interior, but still).
Then you clearly don't know anything about cars....and my friends uncle has an 05 gt with i/h/e and his best run was a fourteen flat....they aren't fast cars. 225 whp in a civic will walk a stock gt.....get off fords dick and realize the 4.6 is not a good motor unless supercharged/or some type of f/i.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/26/2007 12:08:07 AM
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SovXietday
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ORIGINAL: fallfast90
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ORIGINAL: SovXietday
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ORIGINAL: eyeh8hondas
Or, throw in a B18 USDM engine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP, ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.
To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.
To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.
I sure hope that that 225WHP can get the civic into mid 13's. Not to mention "putting a few cars on a 05" well that civic better be damn close to the 12's then. Honestly i don't see 225hp getting a 2000 si into the low 13's (maybe if it had gutted interior, but still).
225whp can easily get even an EK coupe into the high 12s, you just need to have a good driver, a good powerband, and slicks. Friend of mine has a 197whp LS/VTEC in a full interior EK coupe (same as me), he runs 13.1-.2 all day long at 105-106mph.
That, and you forget WHY a Mustang runs mid 13s in the quarter mile with barely 250rwhp, it's RWD. Plain and simple, good drivers can cut low 60's and run mid 13s no problem, but they really don't trap that high. A 225whp FWD Civic, from a roll (Mustang loses it's advantage) you will see the Civic win being as it is well over 1000lbs lighter.
That, and not everyone is a proffessional driver like the people who pull these mid 13s. I love going to the tracks and watching I/H/E GTs pull mid 14s all night long, lol.
Obviously, nothing is a given. But 225-250whp is well more than enough to break a GT from a roll, otherwise you'll need some traction and time behind the wheel to get the job done. I'm trying to get back to the track this Friday with drag radials to see if how far I can break into the 13s.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/26/2007 7:51:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: SovXietday
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ORIGINAL: fallfast90
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ORIGINAL: SovXietday
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ORIGINAL: eyeh8hondas
Or, throw in a B18 USDM engine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP, ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.
To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.
To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.
I sure hope that that 225WHP can get the civic into mid 13's. Not to mention "putting a few cars on a 05" well that civic better be damn close to the 12's then. Honestly i don't see 225hp getting a 2000 si into the low 13's (maybe if it had gutted interior, but still).
225whp can easily get even an EK coupe into the high 12s, you just need to have a good driver, a good powerband, and slicks. Friend of mine has a 197whp LS/VTEC in a full interior EK coupe (same as me), he runs 13.1-.2 all day long at 105-106mph.
That, and you forget WHY a Mustang runs mid 13s in the quarter mile with barely 250rwhp, it's RWD. Plain and simple, good drivers can cut low 60's and run mid 13s no problem, but they really don't trap that high. A 225whp FWD Civic, from a roll (Mustang loses it's advantage) you will see the Civic win being as it is well over 1000lbs lighter.
That, and not everyone is a proffessional driver like the people who pull these mid 13s. I love going to the tracks and watching I/H/E GTs pull mid 14s all night long, lol.
Obviously, nothing is a given. But 225-250whp is well more than enough to break a GT from a roll, otherwise you'll need some traction and time behind the wheel to get the job done. I'm trying to get back to the track this Friday with drag radials to see if how far I can break into the 13s.
The R in NHRA does not stand for from a ROLL. Race from a dig, bumpers lined up and take your lumps either way. Roll racing measures nothing more than mid-range acceleration. Play a game of hoop to 11 and have someone spot you 9! Hope you don't go around bragging about your win there too! Strange combination of setups will allow just about anything to occur. Prefacing a particular scenario with so many IFFs, borders on absurdity. Great driver, perfect lauch , 200hp,slicks, blah,blah,blah, you start losing the original intent of the race. Line up, let em rip , see who wins, DONE! All the other sh!t is just a testament to how far out of your league you might be.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/26/2007 10:21:17 AM
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Patrick
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i agree. racing from a roll isnt racing...its speeding in tandem...and its how people who dont know how to launch their cars cover for their inadequacies.
and while i agree that the 4.6L engine isnt ford's best work, the 3V engine is much better than the 2V, and the 4V 4.6Ls put down very respectable stock numbers. however, saying that an 05+ GT with intake, headers, and exhaust only runs in the 14s is just plain ignorant. while this is an import site, and i expect a reasonable amount of domestic trash talk, i wont let information that far fetched go unanswered. any moderately well driven GT is capable of mid to high 13s. there are a few guys at MF who have gotten deep into the 13s with very little done, and with suspension work and good tires, guys are in the 12s. hell, the new V6 mustangs, with a 5 speed, are in the 14s. the reason that they arent faster has nothing to do with the fact that they are RWD...it has to do with the fact that they are much much heavier than a civic. while its nice to brag about how fast a car is, with so little whp, at the track, no one asks you how much power youre making, they ask what you run. im making around 360whp in a 3700lb car...running low 12s. if a certain car is making only 225whp, and is running high 12s, its still a win to me.
also, what does trap speed have to do with anything? "it doesnt trap that high"...and? my car only traps 106-107, and im in the low 12s. a car with a bad ET that traps high proves only that it isnt getting off the line as quick as a car like mine, that does launch hard. if i ran a 400whp fwd car that cant launch...if he cant run in the low 12s, hes going to lose...it doesnt matter what he traps.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/26/2007 11:14:47 AM
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Patrick
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id like his trap speed, and 60' time. I dont know that Im doubting you so much as Im doubting the worlds slowest new GT...
Ive run at 1500' elevation with 95% humidity, and ive still run in the 12.80s...what is the elevation at the track? If you give me the track name,or even the city, I have a list of track elevations somewhere.
We have guys at MF in Denver who are running better than 14s with a GT. Its not a matter of being a "professional driver", its a matter of being a competent driver. Unless he is at an incredible elevation, he shoudl return his car to the dealership, as something is severely wrong with it, and that is probably the worst time Ive heard of coming from an 05 and newer GT. Are you sure that it isnt a 4.0L? IHE on a 4.0L would put the car in the mid to low 14s, from what ive seen..as i know a few modded 4.0L mustang owners. Actually, I will be running next month at an event sponsored by a 4.0L mustang club, so I should have good video of stock-to-heavily modded V6 mustangs on the track.
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RE: Who would win? - 3/26/2007 12:10:43 PM
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I completely agree that roll racing is not real racing, and I have my car down at the local quarter more than most people in this forum do.
Being as most of the Honda drivers in todays world build their cars to be driven primarily on the street you have to take into consideration what kind of racing takes place on the street. Hell, most 250+whp Honda's do not have traction anywhere on the street, most of us find it fun to be able to blow the tires off from a roll, but 90% of the street races happen from a roll. Roll racing is a fair comparison of a cars capabilities, and for the people who build their FWD Honda's, who know they don't get traction worth **** on the street, roll racing is really the only option.
At the track, when we can put slicks on, it's a different story.
In any case, my point was, it doesn't take a fully built GSR running 20psi of boost from a GT35R to beat a stock GT on the street or on the track.
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