a Stock 2000 Civic Si or a 2005 Mustang GT stock?

GT would skull drag the Si.

Mid/high 13's--- low 15's respectively.

damn, i'm getting a full cat back and intake and headers

andthat really won't improve you et at all

what should i get? to help me

A decent shot of nitrous or some type of F/I.

Throw in a B18 GSRJDM (10.4:1 C/R 170hp) Headers, CAT back, intake, UDP, ported IM, big boreTB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, lightweight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and then get it all tuned to run right.

How much time and money do you have and want to spend to beat a Stang?

Or, throw in a B18 USDMengine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP,ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.

was this post a joke?

any where around only 1,000 maybe 2

Nitrous is what your gonna have to use on that type of limited means

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was this post a joke?


+1... buddy you will need a prayer, and a rocket up your ass

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ORIGINAL: Patrick

was this post a joke?


+1... buddy you will need a prayer, and a rocket up your ass


make that two rockets!

1,000 to 2,000 bucks will get you some NOS and correct components and tuning to run it safe and correct. Probably only a 55 shot, which will not be enough to beat an 05 Stang V-8.

ORIGINAL: eyeh8hondas
Or, throw in a B18 USDMengine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP,ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.


To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.

To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.

^^^unfortunate truth that comes with owning a 7 year old car that is based off of a commuter

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Or, throw in a B18 USDMengine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP,ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.


To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.

To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.



I sure hope that that 225WHP can get the civic into mid 13's. Not to mention "putting a few cars on a 05" well that civic better be damn close to the 12's then. Honestly i don't see 225hp getting a 2000 si into the low 13's (maybe if it had gutted interior, but still).

MAP, MAF, ECU, PCM same difference.

^ that's what you think

MAF and MAP both meter air pressure/volume and temp/density right, or am I missing something?

ECU and PCM both take voltage readings from sensorsto run the engine right, or am I wrong?

I know they are called something different, but they perform the same function.

Just like an EGR and VCT are both used for emmissions.

How bad would i lose to a 03' 350Z?

Stock 2000 Civic Si = 15.7 sec 1/4 mile car (with a good driver)
Stock MTX 350Z = 13.9-14.1 sec 1/4 mile car
Stock ATX 350Z = 14.4-14.6 sec 1/4 mile car

300hp Torque monsterRWD V-6 sprts car -vs- 160hp Torque deficient FWD 4cylsports compact

You do the math.

Stick to racing Neons, Escorts, Cavaliers, Grand Ams etc
Leave the big boys alone for now.

Anyone who says their stock 99/00 Civic Si or GSR Integra, or even Si or GSR with intake and exhaust (or in most cases a fart can) blew the doors off a GT Mustang, SS Camaro, or GAWD forbid Viper is an idiot (AKA = RICER). In most cases the driver of said superior car was not racing or the owner of said Si/GSRdid what is referred to as a RICER flyby. Any owner/driver of a V-8 300+/- hp RWDmuscle car who wants to race and knows how to drive will beat you so bad it will flip the bill of your backwards turned baseball cap back to the front where it belongs. Leave the 350Z's, STI's, EVO's alone too. I wouldn't mess with the new GTI's RSX's or new Si's either.

race the mustang in the rain on a slick road and pray that he spins into a ditch.

what about a 93' integra ls with intake and headers only?

How about race something and tell us how it went?

lol i just got the car tonight! and wondering what it is capable of, these are my friends cars haha

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Throw in a B18 GSRJDM (10.4:1 C/R 170hp) Headers, CAT back, intake, UDP, ported IM, big boreTB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, lightweight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and then get it all tuned to run right.

How much time and money do you have and want to spend to beat a Stang?

Or, throw in a B18 USDMengine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP,ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.



y would someone do that?? doesnt a 2000 si already come with a b16?, why would u go throughthe hassle of a swap for little gains, i say just boost it at maybe 8-9 psi

u could always pray that the guy in the mustang doesn't know how to drive...........but yea u need f/i for it to even be close

^ haha thats true, isnt he already rocking a B?^

re-build, boost, spray, PNP everything you can get your hands on, stage 2 clutch/flywheel andone hell of a tune. Then get lucky.

yea i got a b18 and had a friendly race with a gt (friend) and yea i have the greatest mods i/h/e and yea not close but i also sux at driving

Piece together a turbo kit and get a tune. You'll put up a good fight.

thats what im sayin,,, get a turbo and all the ness equipment, and a good tune. then you can start playin with the gts and so forth. im building a turbo kit right now, takin time, doin it right. then ill be able to play with the v8's.

race other 4 cylinder, naturally aspiratedcars.

there isnt much that youre going to do with a grand and that car to beat a new GT.

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Or, throw in a B18 USDMengine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP,ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.


To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.

To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.



I sure hope that that 225WHP can get the civic into mid 13's. Not to mention "putting a few cars on a 05" well that civic better be damn close to the 12's then. Honestly i don't see 225hp getting a 2000 si into the low 13's (maybe if it had gutted interior, but still).


Then you clearly don't know anything about cars....and my friends uncle has an 05 gt with i/h/e and his best run was a fourteen flat....they aren't fast cars. 225 whp in a civic will walk a stock gt.....get off fords dick and realize the 4.6 is not a good motor unless supercharged/or some type of f/i.

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Or, throw in a B18 USDMengine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP,ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.


To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.

To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.



I sure hope that that 225WHP can get the civic into mid 13's. Not to mention "putting a few cars on a 05" well that civic better be damn close to the 12's then. Honestly i don't see 225hp getting a 2000 si into the low 13's (maybe if it had gutted interior, but still).


225whp can easily get even an EK coupe into the high 12s, you just need to have a good driver, a good powerband, and slicks. Friend of mine has a 197whp LS/VTEC in a full interior EK coupe (same as me), he runs 13.1-.2 all day long at 105-106mph.

That, and you forget WHY a Mustang runs mid 13s in the quarter mile with barely 250rwhp, it's RWD. Plain and simple, good drivers can cut low 60's and run mid 13s no problem, but they really don't trap that high. A 225whp FWD Civic, from a roll (Mustang loses it's advantage) you will see the Civic win being as it is well over 1000lbs lighter.

That, and not everyone is a proffessional driver like the people who pull these mid 13s. I love going to the tracks and watching I/H/E GTs pull mid 14s all night long, lol.

Obviously, nothing is a given. But 225-250whp is well more than enough to break a GT from a roll, otherwise you'll need some traction and time behind the wheel to get the job done. I'm trying to get back to the track this Friday with drag radials to see if how far I can break into the 13s.

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Or, throw in a B18 USDMengine (9.2:1 C/R 140hp) with a good turbo, FMIC, CAT back, UDP,ported IM, big bore TB, larger MAF, larger injectors, PNP'd head, oversize valves, stiffer valve springs, aggressive CAMS, adj CAM gears, aluminum flywheel, sport clutch, short throw shifter, light weight 15" wheels, 205/50 performance summer tires, stiffer struts and springs and get it all tuned to run right.


To beat an 05 Stang, are you kidding me? 225whp in a Civic is more than enough to put a few cars on an 05 Mustang. That and I wouldn't put a MAF on a Honda, especially because they use MAPs.

To the OP, an I/H/E B16 is not Gods gift to the tuning world. Hell, you still won't even be able to beat 1/2 of the daily driven commuter cars around your area.



I sure hope that that 225WHP can get the civic into mid 13's. Not to mention "putting a few cars on a 05" well that civic better be damn close to the 12's then. Honestly i don't see 225hp getting a 2000 si into the low 13's (maybe if it had gutted interior, but still).


225whp can easily get even an EK coupe into the high 12s, you just need to have a good driver, a good powerband, and slicks. Friend of mine has a 197whp LS/VTEC in a full interior EK coupe (same as me), he runs 13.1-.2 all day long at 105-106mph.

That, and you forget WHY a Mustang runs mid 13s in the quarter mile with barely 250rwhp, it's RWD. Plain and simple, good drivers can cut low 60's and run mid 13s no problem, but they really don't trap that high. A 225whp FWD Civic, from a roll (Mustang loses it's advantage) you will see the Civic win being as it is well over 1000lbs lighter.

That, and not everyone is a proffessional driver like the people who pull these mid 13s. I love going to the tracks and watching I/H/E GTs pull mid 14s all night long, lol.

Obviously, nothing is a given. But 225-250whp is well more than enough to break a GT from a roll, otherwise you'll need some traction and time behind the wheel to get the job done. I'm trying to get back to the track this Friday with drag radials to see if how far I can break into the 13s.



The R in NHRA does not stand for from a ROLL. Race from a dig, bumpers lined up and take your lumps either way. Roll racing measures nothing more than mid-range acceleration. Play a game of hoop to 11 and have someone spot you 9! Hope you don't go around bragging about your win there too! Strange combination of setups will allow just about anything to occur. Prefacing a particular scenario with so many IFFs, borders on absurdity. Great driver, perfect lauch , 200hp,slicks, blah,blah,blah, you start losing the original intent of the race. Line up, let em rip , see who wins, DONE! All the other sh!t is just a testament to how far out of your league you might be.

SMOKEM

i agree. racing from a roll isnt racing...its speeding in tandem...and its how people who dont know how to launch their cars cover for their inadequacies.

and while i agree that the 4.6L engine isnt ford's best work, the 3V engine is much better than the 2V, and the 4V 4.6Ls put down very respectable stock numbers. however, saying that an 05+ GT with intake, headers, and exhaust only runs in the 14s is just plain ignorant. while this is an import site, and i expect a reasonable amount of domestic trash talk, i wont let information that far fetched go unanswered. any moderately well driven GT is capable of mid to high 13s. there are a few guys at MF who have gotten deep into the 13s with very little done, and with suspension work and good tires, guys are in the 12s. hell, the new V6 mustangs, with a 5 speed, are in the 14s. the reason that they arent faster has nothing to do with the fact that they are RWD...it has to do with the fact that they are much much heavier than a civic. while its nice to brag about how fast a car is, with so little whp, at the track, no one asks you how much power youre making, they ask what you run. im making around 360whp in a 3700lb car...running low 12s. if a certain car is making only 225whp, and is running high 12s, its still a win to me.

also, what does trap speed have to do with anything? "it doesnt trap that high"...and? my car only traps 106-107, and im in the low 12s. a car with a bad ET that traps high proves only that it isnt getting off the line as quick as a car like mine, that does launch hard. if i ran a 400whpfwd carthat cant launch...if he cant run in the low 12s, hes going to lose...it doesnt matter what he traps.

ORIGINAL: Patrick

however, saying that an 05+ GT with intake, headers, and exhaust only runs in the 14s is just plain ignorant.


He has a nice set of tires to go along with i/h/e....but you do have to factor in texas' humidity with that. But, I will get slips if you're doubting me.....and do not call me ignorant. I have seen this, he can drive his car, and his best run is a fourteen flat. He's a member of gt motor sports and has an orange 05 gt..I don't know if they have a site but if you'd like to check you're more than welcome. I'm sure their are time slips on their site. I have seen this, so I take offense to you saying my statements are ignorant...maybe a gt can get those numbers in optimal weather conditions, but here, they are no where near low thirteens with minimal mods........and imo the 4.6 is still trash.

id like his trap speed, and 60' time. I dont know that Im doubting you so much as Im doubting the worlds slowest new GT...:D

Ive run at 1500' elevation with 95% humidity, and ive still run in the 12.80s...what is the elevationat the track? If you give me the track name,or even the city, I have a list of track elevations somewhere.

We have guys at MF in Denver who are running better than 14s with a GT. Its not a matter of being a "professional driver", its a matter of being a competent driver. Unless he is at an incredible elevation, he shoudl return his car to the dealership, as something is severely wrong with it, and that is probably the worst time Ive heard of coming from an 05 and newer GT. Are you sure that it isnt a 4.0L? IHE on a 4.0L would put the car in the mid to low 14s, from what ive seen..as i know a few modded 4.0L mustang owners. Actually, I will be running next month at an event sponsored by a 4.0L mustang club, so I should have good video of stock-to-heavily modded V6 mustangs on the track.

I completely agree that roll racing is not real racing, and I have my car down at the local quarter more than most people in this forum do.

Being as most of the Honda drivers in todays world build their cars to be driven primarily on the street you have to take into consideration what kind of racing takes place on the street. Hell, most 250+whp Honda's do not have traction anywhere on the street, most of us find it fun to be able to blow the tires off from a roll, but 90% of the street races happen from a roll. Roll racing is a fair comparison of a cars capabilities, and for the people who build their FWD Honda's, who know they don't get traction worth **** on the street, roll racing is really the only option.

At the track, when we can put slicks on, it's a different story.

In any case, my point was, it doesn't take a fully built GSR running 20psi of boost from a GT35R to beat a stock GT on the street or on the track.

i understand your point, but traction isnt much better for a built RWD. even with my DRs, i can lay 150 feet of stripes from a dig on the street.

my point about the mustangs is that you guys made it out to sound like a 14 second run is an expectable run from a newmustang GT, and thats only setting people up to get their feelings hurt.

ORIGINAL: Patrick

id like his trap speed, and 60' time. I dont know that Im doubting you so much as Im doubting the worlds slowest new GT...:D

Ive run at 1500' elevation with 95% humidity, and ive still run in the 12.80s...what is the elevationat the track? If you give me the track name,or even the city, I have a list of track elevations somewhere.

We have guys at MF in Denver who are running better than 14s with a GT. Its not a matter of being a "professional driver", its a matter of being a competent driver. Unless he is at an incredible elevation, he shoudl return his car to the dealership, as something is severely wrong with it, and that is probably the worst time Ive heard of coming from an 05 and newer GT. Are you sure that it isnt a 4.0L? IHE on a 4.0L would put the car in the mid to low 14s, from what ive seen..as i know a few modded 4.0L mustang owners. Actually, I will be running next month at an event sponsored by a 4.0L mustang club, so I should have good video of stock-to-heavily modded V6 mustangs on the track.


Sounds like a good time. Where is it located at?

ohio..i havent mentioned it on MF, because its a "private event", and ive been invited by a few people who i think are inviting me in order to call me out. i think that they believe me to be making up my track times. its actually sponsored by a rival forum of MF, one that created a real problem when created. I wouldnt be a shade surprised if someone tries to start trouble with me. Im going into it, half expecting an ambush.

Wow, well good luck buddy!

Honda boys are always so entertaining. I like all cars, I am an enthusiast, but I know RWD V-8 is GOD.

MAF = Mass Air Flow

MAP = Manifold Absolute Pressure

Yeah same thing buddy. <---Sarcasm

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MAF = Mass Air Flow

MAP = Manifold Absolute Pressure

Yeah same thing buddy. <---Sarcasm



Porsche 944 = 16 sec 1/4 mile car <--- not a joke

Patrick...... www.templeacademy.com (http://www.templeacademy.com)

elevation of that town ranges from 690-720 feet! the NHRA doesnt even have a conversion table, the elevation is so good!

aaand thats why my lil civic prolly wont ever see the tree in its lifetime;)

its something that i think everyone should try..no matter how slow the car is..its a ton of fun...or so i feel.

rwd v8 is a good set up but so is rwd i6 ;)

Mustang .

ORIGINAL: Patrick

its something that i think everyone should try..no matter how slow the car is..its a ton of fun...or so i feel.


Amen, hell it's even fun to just watch. ;)

i havea hard time just watching...i get antsy...although my DDs are much slower than my white car, i still prefer running.

There are very few things like going to the strip to race. Once you do it, you instantly get hooked. Honestly, i get bored watching, i like to actually race myself. 100x better then streetracing. Atleast you don't have to worry about police, accidents, fines, and other BS. Most people at the track are a little more mature and would rather help you out then bust on your ride like out in the public scene.

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There are very few things like going to the strip to race. Once you do it, you instantly get hooked. Honestly, i get bored watching, i like to actually race myself. 100x better then streetracing. Atleast you don't have to worry about police, accidents, fines, and other BS. Most people at the track are a little more mature and would rather help you out then bust on your ride like out in the public scene.


All of this is true and i too love the track...def preferred over street....but people at the track are much worse than the street racers...or rather they have just brought the trash talk over to the track....i see more drama at the track than even the most explosive days on the street....with the exception of the people that have real track cars...they just stay quiet and to the side enjoying the show

it sounds like your track is packed full of ricers...ive spent lots of time at the track, and the only trash talk ive heard was in late rounds, on money runs. even at the national events where there are thousands of dollars up for grabs, everyone is friendly, for the most part...until those 8 top ambers are lit...then no one is your friend.

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ORIGINAL: INJENalltheway

MAF = Mass Air Flow

MAP = Manifold Absolute Pressure

Yeah same thing buddy. <---Sarcasm



Porsche 944 = 16 sec 1/4 mile car <--- not a joke


Yes, that has relevance to what we are talking about.

EDIT: Oh and your bad about the quarter mile times. 13.9. Were you assuming that it was the base model and not the Turbo S? Silly.

that was 13.9 new...;)

it looks good in that little picture...have any bigger ones?

ORIGINAL: Patrick

it sounds like your track is packed full of ricers...ive spent lots of time at the track, and the only trash talk ive heard was in late rounds, on money runs. even at the national events where there are thousands of dollars up for grabs, everyone is friendly, for the most part...until those 8 top ambers are lit...then no one is your friend.


Ya i live in so cal so everyone thinks there the ****...it makes for a good time if you dont take it personally

i dont know how much of that i could stand...

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ORIGINAL: Patrick

it sounds like your track is packed full of ricers...ive spent lots of time at the track, and the only trash talk ive heard was in late rounds, on money runs. even at the national events where there are thousands of dollars up for grabs, everyone is friendly, for the most part...until those 8 top ambers are lit...then no one is your friend.


Ya i live in so cal so everyone thinks there the ****...it makes for a good time if you dont take it personally


Damn, I feel bad for you.

Everytime I go to the track I like to just chat with people about their setups. I'll shut my car off in the pits when I get there and just walk around to look through who's running, chat a little bit with people who's setups I like. I also enjoy watching a few cars go down the track just to see what they run, then of course I hop back in my car and fire off down the 1320 myself.

Every so often people start **** at the tracks I go to. Generally started by someone with a stock 4 cylinder, talking about their buddies blah blah blah that goes blah blah blah and beats every V8 there.

So the plan is, end **** with people who start **** with a 1.6L. [8D]

i also wander around and BS with other people. if i see cars that appear to be unusually fast (like a 4 door, beat up build wildcat in the mid 11s) i will see if they will talk about their setup. also, if i see some awful ricey stuff, ill ask about it.

a while back, i was in the lanes behind a guy with an integra with two huge mufflers (on the same side of the car) and he had holes cut every few inches along the back bumper. i walked around the car, and he had the same pattern cut on the front bumper. i examined the holes, and couldnt figure out the point of them. now, ive seen holes cut in the rear bumpers of very fast cars, as air gets trapped in there and creates drag. so i asked the guy, "what are the holes for". he looked at me like i had asked him the dumbest question that he had ever heard and gave me a smile and said "theyre speed holes" and he shook his head like i was insulting him by asking. So i took it one step further and said "what are they for?" he shook his head and said "there are holes in the front and rear, that allow air to flow through the car more smoothly..it really helps alot on fast cars". i asked if his car was fast, and he said "FXXX yeah its fast"..and he walked away. it was fast alright, 14.50s fast...:D

lmfao, nice

HAHA, my old car had speed holes too!! Well actually it was just some holes caused by rust, but in any case it caused less wind resistance. That old 89 isuzu amigo flew like a stream line eagle!!!!



haha[8D]

ORIGINAL: Patrick

i also wander around and BS with other people. if i see cars that appear to be unusually fast (like a 4 door, beat up build wildcat in the mid 11s) i will see if they will talk about their setup. also, if i see some awful ricey stuff, ill ask about it.

a while back, i was in the lanes behind a guy with an integra with two huge mufflers (on the same side of the car) and he had holes cut every few inches along the back bumper. i walked around the car, and he had the same pattern cut on the front bumper. i examined the holes, and couldnt figure out the point of them. now, ive seen holes cut in the rear bumpers of very fast cars, as air gets trapped in there and creates drag. so i asked the guy, "what are the holes for". he looked at me like i had asked him the dumbest question that he had ever heard and gave me a smile and said "theyre speed holes" and he shook his head like i was insulting him by asking. So i took it one step further and said "what are they for?" he shook his head and said "there are holes in the front and rear, that allow air to flow through the car more smoothly..it really helps alot on fast cars". i asked if his car was fast, and he said "FXXX yeah its fast"..and he walked away. it was fast alright, 14.50s fast...:D


Lmao![8D]

buy the same stang

ORIGINAL: Patrick

i also wander around and BS with other people. if i see cars that appear to be unusually fast (like a 4 door, beat up build wildcat in the mid 11s) i will see if they will talk about their setup. also, if i see some awful ricey stuff, ill ask about it.

a while back, i was in the lanes behind a guy with an integra with two huge mufflers (on the same side of the car) and he had holes cut every few inches along the back bumper. i walked around the car, and he had the same pattern cut on the front bumper. i examined the holes, and couldnt figure out the point of them. now, ive seen holes cut in the rear bumpers of very fast cars, as air gets trapped in there and creates drag. so i asked the guy, "what are the holes for". he looked at me like i had asked him the dumbest question that he had ever heard and gave me a smile and said "theyre speed holes" and he shook his head like i was insulting him by asking. So i took it one step further and said "what are they for?" he shook his head and said "there are holes in the front and rear, that allow air to flow through the car more smoothly..it really helps alot on fast cars". i asked if his car was fast, and he said "FXXX yeah its fast"..and he walked away. it was fast alright, 14.50s fast...:D



bwahahaha, that's good

go buy an older 5.0 mustang and put a HP turbo kit on it.

bone stock Mustang=$3k
turbo kit=$5k
tuning=$500

So save $8.5k and you will smoke an 05 gt;)... 450rwhp+ on a stock mustang w/ a turbo kit...

ORIGINAL: sipynsyrup

go buy an older 5.0 mustang and put a HP turbo kit on it.

bone stock Mustang=$3k
turbo kit=$5k
tuning=$500

So save $8.5k and you will smoke an 05 gt;)... 450rwhp+ on a stock mustang w/ a turbo kit...


yet you drive an almost stock mustang, running in the mid 14s...with less than 200whp.

ORIGINAL: sipynsyrup

go buy an older 5.0 mustang and put a HP turbo kit on it.

bone stock Mustang=$3k
turbo kit=$5k
tuning=$500

So save $8.5k and you will smoke an 05 gt;)... 450rwhp+ on a stock mustang w/ a turbo kit...


I don’t know why people think they slap on a turbo and call it a day. By no means, im I a pro on racing. but most older cars civic or stang that have some kind of 100-150hp increase are going to need tires, susp, etc upgraded also to get the most out of there set up.

Also people need to stop comparing a 10 year old car to a new car; I would hope if your 10 year old car that has 4k put into a motor can beat a BRAND new car w/ a warranty.

ORIGINAL: sipynsyrup

go buy an older 5.0 mustang and put a HP turbo kit on it.

bone stock Mustang=$3k
turbo kit=$5k
tuning=$500

So save $8.5k and you will smoke an 05 gt;)... 450rwhp+ on a stock mustang w/ a turbo kit...


for 5500 (assuming you actually have tospend $3K on a used fox body, they should be had for closer to $2K)you should be able to make more than 450hp and keep the motor n/a. 5.0 parts are pretty cheap compared to other motors

bump. = )

this thread was fascinating to read.. and im sad that it died. haha

keep it goin! lol