RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger?
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/13/2005 10:20:37 PM
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Kappa22
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Sacicons said the two things I was going to say, and then two more. In case that's not clear, I would RECOMMEND a turbo over a SC on any small-disp. engine for obvious reasons.
Edit: Sorry, I think that came out sounding a little cocky. I wasn't trying to dump on anyone's knowledge.
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/13/2005 11:26:31 PM
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well i want the s/c for simplicty, remeber im an audio guru not a gear head... also I want to "set it and forget it". you feel where im coming from? You guys know a hell of alot about this stuff and wouldnt you guys reccommend a s/c for begginers?
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/14/2005 12:16:48 AM
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Granted, I'm not as familiar with the honda's through various years, but in general, the SC will be a much simpler install, and more importantly, much lower maintenance. It doesn't use engine oil for lube.
Most SC's will go 150,000 miles before bearings and seals need to be replaced, and you can do it yourself for $40 in parts.
Since I'm overdriving my M62 a bit, I change the oil twice a year. Suck it out with a syringe and a piece of tubing, put new in. Very simple.
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/14/2005 12:30:33 AM
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Not really true. With a supercharger, boost is variable, and based on engine rpm's. I can control boost very well with my foot in my SSEi. You can't do this with a turbo.
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/14/2005 12:33:36 AM
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Why is it that no one even seems to hear it, no matter how many times it is said, that there's a good chance you'll run into traction problems with a SC (in a FF 4 banger) unless you ride the clutch like a ten dollar hooker.
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/14/2005 1:08:59 AM
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well, maybe not so bad in the ssei though. but in mine, i know i would go through tires in NO TIME. i mean, with the NA GSR, i spin them into VTEC, and they will burn anywhere in first gear. i could only imagine what it would be like with a bunch more torque. and i like turbo for my needs better because i can get a good BC and set up different boost levels and fuel maps, then its just a quick button push for whatever i need. low for street, higher for auto-x, and high for 104 octane at Thunderhill or the dragstrip.
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/14/2005 1:18:51 AM
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Oh, I'm not saying the Bonneville is a bad idea. It weighs an ass-ton more than any Civic. But in a stock base 4G hatch, you can spin the tires for a good long time with that 70 hp... Civics are just too light for low-end grunt.
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/14/2005 1:27:54 AM
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yeah, LSD, traction bars, and poly engine mounts are a must. hell even with turbo, im gonna need that stuff. i MIGHT, be getting a Spoon tranny soon. , thatll take care of the LSD, then a buddy of mine designed traction bars that he'll give me at cost (chrome-moly), and i have the mount inserts, so im getting there. but that tranny is expensive.
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RE: Does anybody have a jackson racing supercharger? - 2/14/2005 2:32:43 AM
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yup.... besides some one (i think polo) said awhile back that civics dont produce enough exhaust power to addequitly run a turbo... right? one more thin i forgot to ask when i posted my s/c topic. It completly cool to slap a s/c in a auto civ right? also why would i need a tac anyway? I have a rev limitor. also if i have to have a tac are they a pain in the ass to install?
First of all, I think the amount of power question has been answered adequately. Basically it makes no difference.
Secondly (with reference to a conversation with Remington), an IC would not be necessary on a Jackson Racing setup at 8psi. I run 11+PSI of boost on my M62 without an IC, and have NO KR. When you get into extreme boost with smaller pulleys on a honda, you'll need one, as your engine wasn't designed for it. A supercharger isn't driven by hot exhaust gasses. If you're not overdriving it, it won't really produce enough heat for you to be concerned with. Just make sure you supply it with a well designed CAI. No open cones. Shield it from hot engine bay heat.
Third- A tach is completely unnecessary and useless in a Supercharged application in comparison to the need for it with Nitrous or a Turbo, ESPECIALLY with an automatic trans like your car has. With a Turbo, you want to know what rpm you're at, so you know when it's going to spool. Same holds true with Nitrous. With the SC, you're ALWAYS in boost. It doesn't matter.
Lastly......don't be fooled by numbers. "my turbo produces 16 psi and your SC only has 8psi". That's a bunch of bunk. It means nothing. Superchargers are rated in CFM's, not PSI. PSI just means you're not using the air that you're compressing. Change your cam or go with larger valves, and the pressure indicated on the gauge will drop (even headers cause this)......and it scares alot of people. Guess what? Nothings wrong, everything is RIGHT. It means you're moving more air, and not allowing it to pressurize in the manifold. You want FLOW in CFM's for your engine to gulp, NOT pressure. Because most turbos don't produce the high CFM flow numbers that a roots blower does, they MUST pressurize the manifold to have enough air on demand for the engine's demand.
Each type of FI has it's advantages and disadvantages. In the end, a supercharger kit will be easier for a noob to install and maintain. It's also alot easier and cheaper to take care of when it does (rarely) need any kind of maintenance.
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