Well i did some measuring and they will fit but i cant turn the windows completely down then

And even if do use rings the windows probably wont go down completely since the mounting depth of the speakers i want is 2.7", and if i make the rings too think i cant get the covers on anymore [sm=smiley21.gif]
But i'm hoping this is all temporary since i;m looking for a new car, looking at Honda Preludes atm, the ones made between '96 and '01, and if they wont fit in there properly either i will just have to modify the doors