RE: What engine to boost?
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RE: What engine to boost? - 4/20/2007 11:11:49 AM
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Sldwys11687
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I have been doing research for the past 3 years, hense why i'm looking to see what B series engine people feel are the best...SovXietday, i give credit to you for building a 400hp D engine but that's it...it's a D engine, SOHC 100hp-127hp stock...the compression ratio isn't great and the stroke isn't either...the pistions and rods are not as strong as those in the B and the potential isn't as great...i'm sorry if i seem so sarcastic about this but a B offers greater gains with less work...i have a D16Y7 in my civic and i wish i had more...power sux and so does the redline...for a while i was into the SR20DET, with minor bolt ons and tuning you can easily reach 300-500hp on those engines, i understand that the honda B series are not built to be boosted but they should easily be able to withstand some boost, 8-10psi possibly 15, without the need to completely rip apart the block and build it, your all talking about a bolt on turbo kit with 500hp potential like it's impossible...go and check out the full race site and see for yourselves www.full-race.com
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RE: What engine to boost? - 4/20/2007 5:16:17 PM
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SovXietday
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I have been doing research for the past 3 years, hense why i'm looking to see what B series engine people feel are the best...SovXietday, i give credit to you for building a 400hp D engine but that's it...it's a D engine, SOHC 100hp-127hp stock...the compression ratio isn't great and the stroke isn't either...the pistions and rods are not as strong as those in the B and the potential isn't as great...i'm sorry if i seem so sarcastic about this but a B offers greater gains with less work...i have a D16Y7 in my civic and i wish i had more...power sux and so does the redline...for a while i was into the SR20DET, with minor bolt ons and tuning you can easily reach 300-500hp on those engines, i understand that the honda B series are not built to be boosted but they should easily be able to withstand some boost, 8-10psi possibly 15, without the need to completely rip apart the block and build it, your all talking about a bolt on turbo kit with 500hp potential like it's impossible...go and check out the full race site and see for yourselves www.full-race.com
There's one really small thing that you're forgetting all about.
Supporting mods.
No, you can't just bolt on a kit and make 500whp. I don't care if it's an ebay kit or a full race kit, you need the supporting mods to withstand the power correctly. Just like I can't bolt on a kit and make 400whp out of a Dseries, you can't bolt on a kit and make 500whp of the Bseries.
You will need, at the least. Pistons and Rods (which, yes, do require tearing the block apart), new oil pump/water pump, rod and main bearings, correctly sized injectors, fuel pump, ECU, tuning system, full street and dyno tune, clutch, etc. Most people overlook this kind of stuff, but you need it all.
300-350whp is about the stock threshhold on these engines.
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RE: What engine to boost? - 4/20/2007 8:02:31 PM
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Kedawei
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3 years? That's sad. D16Z6 compression ~9.14:1. Nearly ideal. Most D-series's are around there, not that stock compression means a damn when you're changing out the pistons. And less work? You'll have to do the exact same thing to your B-series to support that much much power. They are 'built fine for boost', but as Soviet was saying, they require support like any other motor. In addition to Soviet's list, you'd need a limited slip to get traction, and spare parts for when things break (they will at that much power, quicker than you have any idea). And you had to bring the ever-nooblet "psi" into your post. http://www.hondacivicforum.com/m_403100/tm.htm
Picking noobs posts apart ftw. Scuttle back to your catalog reading and ricer friends that know everything. (Btw, you'll get a lot more respect if you ask questions rather than making assertions you don't have a clue about.)
< Message edited by Kedawei -- 4/20/2007 8:04:36 PM >
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Just remember there's no such thing as bolting on 500whp.
You might find a full D16Z6 in the forum classifieds/ebay for 500 or so. You could also say to hell with it and purchase a JDM D15B from an importer website for 700-1000 bucks. Depends on how involved you want to be. If you're like me (really cheap!), you'll want to purchase parts individually and piece the motor together yourself from scratch. 