Well my boosted b16 had a few piston rings take a dump and now its time for a rebuild. I figure if Im going to tear the thing apart I might as well shell out the cash and build it to make a little more power. Ive always wanted to build a block for some extra security and a little extra boost but I really wasnt planning on doing it this soon. Im making my first purchase tomorrow, its a 1994 geo metro that will be my beater carwhile mySi is under the knife. The geowill eventually be turboed until it blows up followed by a built and boostedls motor that will make that thing a rocket. Anyways,I will be doing the following modifications to my car over the next 2 months.

Tuner toys rods
srp or cp pistons 9.0:1 cr 81mm bore
arp headstuds
mls headgasket

My current turbo setup includes a greddy 18g turbo, greddylog manifold, greddy downpipe, custom made piping w/ spearco intercooler, greddy type-s bov, tuner toys 440cc injectors, p28 ecu tuned with crome. Theturbo setup will be getting:
bigger (750cc) injectors
test pipe to replace the stock cat
2.5" downpipe to replace the 2" greddy downpipe
new oil pan with a better tap
boost controller (not sure what kind yet)

I will start buying parts in the next couple days Ive already got the headgasket, the headstuds will probably be next. I willmost likelywait till I can afford to get retuned before buying the 750cc injectors. Im hoping to make around 250whp on10 psi daily and 300whp on15psi once built. I will be taking pics of everything as it comes in andcarnage pics of the motor getting torn apart to document this exciting build. Any suggestions on anything are more than welcome. I will be having the help of a somewhatexperienced engine builder and motor swapper along the way so I should be in good hands but Im sure I'll have questions for the experts on here from time to time. This weekend we should really start tearing things apart so there should be some good updates come sunday night.

Despite the lack of interest in this thread I will continue to documentthe progress in my build. Well, plans have changed, hopefully for the good. I ended up getting an offer on the meat of my current turbo setup that I couldnt refuse. Now I have more than enough money to finish the build and when the time comes for boost I should have made enough money to buy a whole new (better) turbo setup.

My beater geo metro is in the driveway now and will be going under the knife tomorrow for a new headgasket so I'll finally have something to drive. Heresa pic of the milkycarnage of oil and coolant mixed together.
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This is what $350 will buy ya these days!
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Heres some pics of the engine removal process. The really great fun part of the build!
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And just for fun, the difference in sizebetween my b16 valve cover and the hilariously pathetic g13 valve cover from "the metro".
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I have a questions for my fellow HCF members: What color should be the theme color for my engine bay (valve cover, fuel rail, vac lines, etc.)? Keep in mind the car ismilano red and colors like orange and yellow will look terrible. My buddy has access to powder coating and paint in just about any color amaginable and will be doing some pieces for me as soon as I decide what color to go with. I'll post pics of everything once its painted I just need some good suggestions from you guys. Some pics of ideas wouldnt hurt either. I will be buying internals over the next week or two and I'll keep you guys posted as parts come in.

Hey man, Im watching this thread. looks good, looking forward to more pics. Not sure on the colour, maybe a blue? Black and red go together, but a black engine is boring.

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread too. That picture with the oil/coolant mixture is great and horrible at the same time. If I ever see any liquid close to that, I'll know at least one problem

First 8 vlave head Iv ever seen...looks slow haha.

I also am watching the thread, as far as color I'd try to keep it stockish looking, maybe a red valve cover and a nice polished intake manifold or something.

I would do darkmetallic blue for everything...

nice geo, go for the turbo lol that should be fun to see

Yeah the geo is a 1.3 ltr making a whopping 70 hp! Its quite slow.
I am kinda thinking about a shade of blue in the engine bay. I dont want things to look ricey and cluttered I just want to maintain a nice color theme throughout the engine bay. I did a little ghetto paintbrush madel to help get an idea of what Im thinking. Wastegate, BOV, valve cover and maybe spark plug wires and vac lines will be blue andIm pretty set on a metallic gunmetal color for the charge pipes which is the same color as my wheels. Let me know what you guys think.
Sorry about the wierd size of the pic.
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lol, nice drawing, i couldnt do much better lol, but ur intake looks like a penis lol, loojks pretty clean, but i would think u would have more vac hoses, and may want to get a vac manifold

^ lol it does too...but anyway, i think it looks good.

Lookin like its gonna be pretty sweet man, ya know the funny thing about that geo is that I was prolly gonna get somethin like that when I do my build

As far as the color, I think you should go with a red and charcoal grey or something close to that

Well after somemore thought I think Im going to stick with a more stock looking red color but I want something different from the type-r red simply cause I dont have a type-r and who doesnt have a type-r valve cover. Im going to go with a little darker metallic red on the valve cover, bov and wastegate, I'll have the strut bar match the charge pipes and If I think it looks like it needs a little more I might go with blue accents like vac lines, couplers and spark plug wires. What do ya think? First pic or this one?
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To tell you the truth, I think the red VC look the best, I just painted mine yellow then blue and back to red, nothing looked better then the red. But then again, my car is black.

Ok, Ive got updates. I got my arp headstuds in a few days ago. Its always exciting when parts come in the mail :D! Today we got the rest of the motor out of the car. This was quite a time consuming job, pulling the axles, unhooking all the wiring and coolant lines, hooking up the engine hoist. Now its time for the fun stiff. I cant wait to start tearing the block apart and getting this project going. Heres some pics of the removal process from earlier today.
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This is the pistons that took a dump. You can see at the top it looks like it melted a little or something.
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We alsomade an attempt at getting the geo running but I think the head might be warped cuz it didnt seal and is revingto the sky as soon as we start it and the coolant seems topressurize immediately. Heres a few pics of the geo side project anyway.

Me and my buddy scott digging into the metro.
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This is the tiny little head that came out of this beast.
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Trying to scrape the remains of what was a headgasket off the block.
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Topping her off! Notice the subtle color we chose for the valve cover lol.
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Sorry about all the pictures. I for one like looking at lots of pictures so I just assume you guys do too lol. Im still debating on theengine bay color theme but I'll keep you guys posted as soon as things get moving there too. Hope your enjoying the projects!

nice lime green valve cover on the geo

looks good, I love lots of pics.

Well its been a while without any updates but Ive been doing a lot of little time consuming things over the past week or so. I just ordered a set of tuner toys rods and srp pistons tonight. I just got the block stripped down andwill be takingit to get bored out to 81.25mm to match the pistonsas soon as they come in. As far asengine bay colors go Im still debating things. My buddy is getting his air compressor working soon so we will be able to paint right in his garage so I can try a few things before settling on something.The end result will probably just be a surprise.

as for the engine bay, i say a mix between gunmetal and black parts. maybe a gunmetal vc with a black spark plug cover, and then a black fuel rail with gunmetal piping. then get a coat of black on the exhaust mani

how much does it cost to get the block bored out that much?

The bore and hone are only $50 but theres a whole lot of other stuff I could have them do for extra security if I wanted to dish out the cash.I could even have them put the whole thing together for me and I wouldnt have to worry about a thing but at the same time I wouldrather do it myself for the learning/prideaspect. I will probably end up going with a gunmetal/red/black theme but Im still not sure what thingswill be what colors and there are a few other texture options to consider as well.

only $50 huh. I wish there were a machine shop in my city, I have a B16 block id love to get bored out.

Well my rods finally came in today but still no pistons. The block will be going to the shop for work as soon as the pistons show up. These tuner toys rods look really good. I cant wait till this project is done and on the road. I guess half of the fun is getting there though. heres some pics of the rods.
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sooo...you got the geo as your beater driver while the civic is being worked on, but it dosent run?? How is that any different from the situation of not having the civic and just dumping the 500 on the build. haha, anyways, looking good man, those rods are niiiiiiccceee. cant wait to see more.

lol well it was running when I bought it but it needed a new headgasket cause it would overheat, the problem was when I tried changing the headgasket the cheap way without resurfacing the head or knowing the correct torque specs on the headstuds and it blew another headgasket lol. I know Im an idiot[:@]. I just got the head resurfaced yesterday and its all cleaned up and ready to go back together. Thursday it should finally be running. By the way, the geo wasnt really just for the time spent on my car right now, I just needed a beater in general since turbo civics arent really the most reliable cars out there and I need a second mode of transportation in general. Heressome pics of the head after a resurface and about 4 cans of break cleaner.
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This is the after picture /\
This is the before picture \/
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those are some tiny little ports^^ i thought my 8 valve ports were tiny

you know, if you build it right and dont cut corners...cough..cough(geo)...a turbo ride is just as reliable as any other NA car

Ok to tell you the truth,I just always wanted a Geo Metro, its my dream car! No really, I know once Im finished with the motor build Im going to break it in for 500 miles and then theres going to be another week of downtime while Im installing the new turbo setup and getting it tuned enough to drive and even then I dont want to be driving it around until its fully dyno tuned. I also dont want to bemaking a400 mile round trip from school 10 times a semester with my 400whp civic and theGeo will get like 45 mpg when its running!

Do yourself a major fav. Send your head for a port and polish and your block to be rehoned and fitted. Also blueprint that shiznit. If you really want a good fixin, let me know. I know machine shop that will do gods work on your stuff. If my mech send his porsche and subie crap AND my stuff to there... im sure they will do wonders for you.

Oh, *moved to the Project section*[8D]

Updates! Pistons came in yesterday but I was too busy working on the geo to post any pics. We fixed the headgasket problem but the timing is off so its reving really high at idle. The timing belt on that stupid geo is nearly impossible to get on even with the tensioner completely loose so its a real pain in the butt to get the thing on and off. We think its probably just off a couple teeth which is making it idle terrible. Anyway back to the main project. Im going to wait a few days to see if my buddy can get his air compressor working so we can take the block completelyapart so I can save myself $70 having the maching shop do it. If its not fixedby monday Im just going to have to bite the bullet and dish out the cash cause Im too impatient and I want all the machine work to be done before saturday. We will then spend the whole next weekend assembling the block andhopefully within the next 2 to 3 weeks if there are no major set backs we will have the thing in the car and readyfor the very scary first start up. heres some pics of the beautifuljewels that came in the mail yesterday.
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Im still trying to decide if Im going to use some type of block support. I havent heard anything good about block gaurds but I read a littleabout block staking on HMT and it looks like a pretty good idea. Anybody have any other ideas on something togivethe sleeves a little support?

Remmy,I would love tosend all my stuff up to your place. It looks like they did areally nice job on all your stuff but Im a poor 20 year oldcollege kid with about $800 left to finish this build and that includes bearings, water pump, timing belt, probably a new radiator andany other miscellaneous parts I need to pick up so the stardard bore, honeand hot tank is about all Im going to be able to do as far as machine work.

Thats cool and all but your cars long term dependability will depend on hwo you do you build. Its up to you. I think to get the head redone is like $100

I'll probably get the head resurfaced as well but I think the b16 head flows well enough to spend the extra money in other places. Iknowthe moreI had a preofessional engine builder do thebetter I would probably feel better about its reliability but I dont think I wouldnt have near the satisfaction I would having done it myself.After alot of research and talking to alot of people who have built honda blocks I really dont feel its necessary to do much more than what I have planned as far as machine work.We will be taking our time and making very sure we are doing everything correctly.

Remmy if you want, you canpm mesome price info and stuff from that place. I would beinterested to see what kind ofstuff they can do andfor what kind ofprices.

Nice build, looks like it's going to be a sick setup.

I didnt mean to get it to breath better but I meant to get it cleanded and polished professionally. Pretty much refurbish it.

im sooo jealous...u have a Geo Metro[sm=loveeyes.gif]why are u wasting time/money on the SI???

lol Yeah we plan on mounting a b18 ls motor over the rear axles making it rwd and putting the gas tank under the hoodbut thats probably pretty far into the future. Refurbishing the head doesnt sound like a bad idea. Theres probably quite a bit of exhuast build up and crapin the ports. I'll probably look into something like that. The place Im getting my machine work done at is pretty reputable so Im sure they can do some pretty good work on the head. Keep the suggestions coming, like the title of this thread says this is my first block build so Im still looking into different options for things.

Ok its been a while and the project is going a little slower than I wanted but there have been a few changes of plan. It looks like I am going to go completely broke on the build, which I dont mind, but Im not going to have enough money to put the turbo setup together that I want. The block is at the machine shop right now getting bored honed and hot tanked. Im having them assemble the whole thing mostly cause I dont have the time to do it myself before school starts and I really need everything done in the next 3 weeks. Im having them put in a new water pump, oil pump, all new bearings and thrust washersand all new gaskets in the bottom endand I'll be putting a new timing belt on too when I put the motor back together. Its really going to be a brand spanking new block when its all done. Im going to do alot of cleaning to the head myself just to get alot of exhaust deposots and stuff out of the ports. The plan is to put a really ghetto turbo setup on it temporarily just so my car isnt really slow for the next4-5 months. Im going to pick up a free volvo t3 from a friends volvo yard and make a really ghetto topmount manifold out of a stock exhaustmanifold and make my own downpipe. Pretty much a $50 setup that will at least keep me boosting for the fall semester till I have enough money to afford what I really want.

Well since I always hear about broken ringlands and never see any pictures of this I thought I would post up what actually happened to my motor. Piston #3 got beat pretty badly. The top of the piston was completely melted on the side and I when I took the rings off the ringlands just crumbled off.

Pretty sweet looking carnage pics:
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Im going to pick the block up today completely fresh, rebuilt and brand new with every little thing replaced down the the last gasket!Cant wait!

Well I finally have the block out of the machine shop and got a little bit of work done today. It seems that nobody in the state of florida has a water pump for a b16 and it was almost as hard to find a timing belt! I didnt have a lot of time but at least I got a little start on everything. Heres some pics of the progress made so far.
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I also got the head resurfaced, hot tanked and cleaned. Im so excited about my shiny beautiful motor!
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I ended up getting the headstuds in finger tight and putting the head on the block but nothing is torqued down yet. Im hoping to get time to work on it some more in the next day or two. Id like toget the rest of the motor assembled, bolt thetranny on and have it all ready to be dropped into the engine baynext weekend. I really cant wait to get this thing back on the road.

put some copper coat on that headgasket and it will seal better. retapping the headstud holes will giv eyou better readings when you torque them down, just a suggestion

I got about an hour or so to get a little work done today so I dont have so much to do this weekend to finish everything up. I got the head put on the block, got the old intake manifold gasketoff which was a royal pain in the butt! Got the intake manifold cleaned up really nice and bolted it onto the head. I even got a little cleaning done in the engine bay so everything looks pretty when its all finished. Heres some more pics of the progress.
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Im starting to get excited. Theres only a few little things I need to pick up to be able to finish the whole thing and the motor is getting pretty close to being re-assembled. Im hoping and praying I have this thing all finished up and runningby sunday night.

looks realy good so far

Well I was hoping it would be done by tonight but its not :(. The nearest honda dealership was out of b16 timing belts so I went to auto zone and picked one up for temporary use and it turned out to be the wrong part so I tried advanced auto parts and same thing happened again so I got pretty held up with that. Currently the motor sitting in the garage completely assembled with no belts waiting to go into the engine bay. Tomorrow Im picking up a timingbelt from another honda dealer and were going to get back at it. Im really hoping that we dont run into any more stupid little problems and get this thing all finished up tomorrow.Heres some more pics of the progress anyway since you knowI love pics!
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Heres the lightly roughed up valve cover before I decided to just spray gasket remover all over it and take it down to the bare metal.
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And this is mid way through the gasket remover doing its thing. Pretty nasty looking.
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nice painting the grass red hahahaha

Well we finished everything up tonight and got it running but its not running very well. The idle is really low and choppy and theres a very strange sound coming from the area of the cam gears like the whining of a supercharger. I think theres a very good chance the timing belt might justbe slightly rubbing agains something in there. I took it out for a gentle test drive and it wouldnt go over 3k in 1st without cutting out. It feels like the ecu is just cutting fuel or something. I am still on the same map from the stock motor tuned for 10 psi on the greddy turbo and the setup is now much lower compresion 9.0:1 instead of the stock 10.2:1 and now there is no turbo. I cant amagine that would make all that much difference could it? Should I try going back to stock injectors and stock ecu and see how that does?If anybody has any knowledge about building a motor and how they react on their first start ups please share and feel free to make suggestions as to what the problem could be.

I am pretty sure u should go back to the stock ecu and injectors, the map on the stock ecu is going to be much closer to what you need, because it is a NA map, as compared to a boosted map. What MAP sensor are you running anyways, if you go back to stock, you need to change that back too.

Sorry its been a few days without a reply. I just got moved down to lakeland Fl a few days ago for school about 3 hours from my house in jacksonville. I tried the stock injectors and ecuthe day I left and it really didnt run any better.My buddy's going totry messing with a few different maps to try and get it running better. We think the timing belt might be a little too tight causing the wierd whining noise and we may have leftthe speed sensor unplugged causing the revs to cut out when it reaches a certain speed. My car is atmy friends house back homeand I wont be able to mess with it for another week when I go back for my21stb-day. He's going to try a few things and see what happens so I'll keep you guys posted if theres any new info. In the mean time Im stuck at school with no car and it REALLY BLOWS!!!

Do you have aftermarket came gears? If so your timing belt is rubbing on the lower plastic belt cover. You will need to cut a hole or eventually the timing belt will do itself. It doesnt harm anything. The side of the timing belt is quite tough.

No the cams and gears are stock. I have heard that the timing belt could be too tight and make a similar noise but its pretty noticeable so Im really not sure if that could be it. My biggest worry right now is just getting it to idle and run a little better. Im really hating life at school right now without a my car. I dont think I can take too much more of this!

So I got a call from my buddy today telling me he figured everything out and the car is running great. Turns out its not such a great idea to hook up a wiring harness at 1am in the dark with nothing but a small spotlight. We hooked up the TPS and MAP sensor plugs backwards causing all sorts of confusion in the ecu. Switched the two plugs and loosened the tensioner and the car runs pretty much perfect. Its still a little rich but nothing to worry about. I plan on breaking the thing in over the next few weeks and if I can get a hold of some cashI'll be putting together a nice little surprise turbo setup Ive got planned. I will keep you guys up to date.

UPDATE!!!

ORIGINAL: ClintT.

UPDATE!!!

Dude, dont ever, ever bring back a post that is this o ld. If the person wanted to update it, he would. /story

the op hasn't posted in 2 months so i'll lock this