RE: Nitrous FAQ
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 8/28/2007 4:21:33 AM
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uranium238
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but the air that's in "greater quantity" is in the same sized package as the "normal" air. to correct you're "air bag" analogy, the air bag would be pressurized much like your second example, the one you said wouldn't work.
think of it this way. a N/A engine sucks in x many liters of air each stroke. block off the air supply, like in your first example, and of course it won't get any air and won't run. let air flow in naturally, it'll suck x many liters, just like it's supposed to. put a turbo or a supercharge in front, and it'll still suck x liters of air, only this time the air has a higher density because it's pressurized. more air -> more O2.
what makes oxidizers different is that they're not related to air intake to the engine, the work by putting something else other than fuel and air into the engine. whether this is done by a nitrous system or by a fuel addative makes no difference.
in fact, you could quite easily take a normal, N/A engine, not touch anything in the engine compartment, add some sort of magical oxidizer to the gas each time you fill it up, and have the same effects of a turbo, supercharger or nitrous.
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 8/28/2007 2:00:58 PM
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packman5280
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cool, thanks Mr Mobsta Man, just don't want to start a fight here. It's not my board and I don't come here enough for that.
I agree, it's good to discuss it. I still disagree about the answer, but i see the points being made and they make sense. I tend to equate FI with boost, and if I had to classify it, I would refer to a nitrous setup as N/A with nitrous, but that's just me.
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 1/7/2008 5:53:52 PM
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SevenKRedline
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Check this video out.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jej4M9qoWSM
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 1/8/2008 12:28:18 PM
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WhiteCivic98
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^^ Mad Props to the dude above me! That video had everything I was going to say. Nitrous cools the intake as it converts from a liquid state into a gas state. The idea of nitrous was to introduce more oxygen into the combustion cycle. And it was discovered the Nitrous Oxide gas could be used to do so safely and effectively. The problem with nitrous oxide is that you need alot of it to make any sort of gain. Like for every part of oxygen and fuel mixture you need 1,000,000 or so parts of nitrous oxide. I have to look for the article that states this but it gives a pretty clear idea of it.
Mad props to the author of the thread!
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 1/25/2008 3:58:15 AM
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99civicricer
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i would have to say nitrous is neither f/i or n/a because your not forcing the nitrous in the engine is sucking it in but you are forcing it to make power that it cant make on its own. so if you have n2o hooked up you could still say your n/a until you spray.
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 1/25/2008 6:47:58 PM
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Mr Mobsta Man
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ORIGINAL: WhiteCivic98
The problem with nitrous oxide is that you need alot of it to make any sort of gain. Like for every part of oxygen and fuel mixture you need 1,000,000 or so parts of nitrous oxide. I have to look for the article that states this but it gives a pretty clear idea of it.
Sorry but that is wrong. The ratio for nitrous to fuel is around 7 to 1 to about 5 to 1 depending on your application so you need less nitrous than you would normal oxygen with gasoline.
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 2/26/2008 8:56:39 AM
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WhiteCivic98
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sorry dude but do you have ANY proof, scientific or otherwise, to back what you are saying?
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RE: Nitrous FAQ - 2/26/2008 1:09:20 PM
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Mr Mobsta Man
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Well I got that number from the book "Sport Compact Nitrous Injection" by Joe Pettitt, S.A. Design. I could post a picture of the pages but I am fairly sure that is illegal. Since I can't do that I can just say that think about it, how do you think you could fit "1,000,000 or so parts of nitrous oxide" into the engine at normal atmospheric pressure and fit enough to make more power? You do realize that instead of the normal air/fuel ratio which is normally 12-13 to 1 at WOT with your math it would be 2,000,000 to 1? (nitrous is 2 molecules oxygen, 1 molecule nitrogen so one "part" (you mean molecule I assume) is equivalent to 2 "parts" oxygen.)
Now where is your proof, scientific or otherwise, to prove your theory. I don't intend to sound mean if I come off that way, I do actually like these debates so please don't get angry.
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