Out and about with my cousin in the car a month ago or so (before I rebuilt my b18c5) and got stopped at a light next to a new (2004-2005) dodge hemi. The guy was with his girl friend and for giggles, he started revving his engine. He had flow masters on it and the dang thing made me go deaf. From revving his engine, the truck was a rockin, back and forth. I thought to myself..."this is it, time to get stomped by a hemi." Long story short, light turned green and he responded a 1/2 of a car length before me. He was pullin on me until good ol' VTEC decided to kick in. By the time i got to 60 ( I only race up to the speed limit;)) my back bumper was lined up with his front bumper. Not too shabby for a 4 banger on rice (93 octane rice to be exact.)

:(I wish I had 93 octane

No doubt, the best octane we get in our town here (a 600 person town with 1 gas station) is 89.5 Octane with 10% ethenol[:@][:'(].......its really actually kinda pathetic, but oh well.....

A Hemi what? Chrysler puts Hemis in a TON of different vehicles. And there's a big difference between a Hemi Crossfire and a Hemi Ram. I'm guessing Hemi Ram.

I beat a dodge ram hemi with my mommys accord 3.0 v6 vtec 220 hp beast. It was on a rolling start and to their benfit there truck was loading to the brim with teenagers. The driver is my friend and we were messing around after a school event.

when it comes to a truck, it's mostly the torque that they use to haul things, not for speed. i was drivin home from school 1 day, and who did i see beside me?! my dad! he revved as a joke cuz he knows i used to race, and i beat his 04 F150, i found it funny cuz his thing can haul like 3 tons worth of trailers. hook that up to my civic and i wont move 2 inches

well..like u said..its all torque

i think im gunna get maybe a small feul cell and fill it with 93 octane and b able to switch it from inside my car (i know its been done b4) so when some b*tch in a V6 camaro pulls up with his girlfriend snickering i can change the feul to get a little extra punch

is ur B18 un-modded?

Actually "your mommy's accord" is 240 horspower and does 0-60 in the low 6's where the hemi is in the high 6's so you'd win in the accord either way.

sorry to burst your bubble, but low 6's in a stock accord... um, not gonna happen. Try mid-hi 7's at best.

Your not "burstin" anything. Different specs on the net I've seen are 6.3 and 6.8 on the v-6 Accord. Have you ever driven one? My buddy just got a Dodge Magnum R/T and I've been in the accord and been lined up with his back bumper once I hit 55-60 off a light. In case you didn't know the R/T does 0-60 in 6.1 So ok the accord is in the mid 6's. But high 7's? I can do that in my Civic.

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A Hemi what? Chrysler puts Hemis in a TON of different vehicles. And there's a big difference between a Hemi Crossfire and a Hemi Ram. I'm guessing Hemi Ram.


I work in the parts department of a Chrysler dealership, sorry but no Crossfire comes with a Hemi, it only comes with a 3.2 V6 mercedes motor either SC or not SC, I think you meant the 300C that you can get with a Hemi

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No doubt, the best octane we get in our town here (a 600 person town with 1 gas station) is 89.5 Octane with 10% ethenol[:@][:'(].......its really actually kinda pathetic, but oh well.....


At the pumps we have up to 94 Octane and at the 5 - 6 Sunco's in the area they 110 race fuel (CAM2) octane but they wont let you pump CAM2 directly into your car but if you fill a gas jug and then pour in your car they can't say nothing

isnt 110 leaded?

110 is leaded...at least ive never seen unleaded near that high.

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Actually "your mommy's accord" is 240 horspower and does 0-60 in the low 6's where the hemi is in the high 6's so you'd win in the accord either way.

Actually it is a 2000 model and only has 220 hp. Sonce then they have added more hp, just thought I would let you know, I don't usually spout my stuff without knowing it.

a few pictures of the Crossfire engine.
in the second, the supercharger cover has been removed.


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why the hell chrysler dropped the ball on that car by not putting a beastly engine in there is beyond me. its a decent motor, but in a car that can outhandle Z06s, it just isnt enough. they finally got a chassis thats worth something, then they put in a stupid engine.

why would you want to switch your car from running on 86 to 93... if it doesnt spark knock on 86, than your not going to get more power out of 93. the lower the octane, the easyer it will explode, so when you have high compression, then you need higher octane to keep it from detonating before the spark. so if you run fine on 86, then when you have 93, it might run worse.

Actually it is a 2000 model and only has 220 hp. Sonce then they have added more hp, just thought I would let you know, I don't usually spout my stuff without knowing it.


My bad, I assumed it was a new accord, yeah that one is in the mid to high 7's. The 2003 and up v-6 coupe though... definitely not bad for an accord.

Check out this site for the Coupe's 5.9 and 6.2 0-60 times (Just so I don't have my bubble bursted) :)

http://www.johnson-performance.com/JP060.html

sacicons, ive driven one, and its really something. low 13s stock. (i believe 13.3 as rated by MT, for whatever that is worth) while it wont hang with a Z06 in the quarter mile, it is a great handling car. i feel that the ball was dropped more in the pricing than the engine design.

Back to beating Hemi Rams, i was in my dad's new Acura RL (300hp) and we beat the sh** outta that thing, especially with AWD!

ok, so i did some searching around, and i have found a Hemi Ram QM time of 14.98 stock. that is with 17s (not the big 20s) 2wd, short car short bed, with I/E only. and this was on video so it was credible.

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110 is leaded...at least ive never seen unleaded near that high.


no it is unleaded otherwise we wouldn't be able to run it in our cars. It says "OFFROAD USE ONLY" though thats why they wont let us pump it directly into our car, its a race fuel. My camaro runs ok off 93 but runs like a champ off CAM2 (110).

http://www.racegas.com/gt100locals/gt100localsmainASP.asp

that particular link only indicates 100 octane but we have it here in Maryland at 110 octane

i practically live at the drag strip, and although my car is built to run low octane, ive never seen 108 or higher that wasnt leaded..what brand is it?

its sunoco CAM2, if I get the chance I'll stop by the gas station and snap a pic of the pump and post it for ya.

thats all really weird...i didnt think CAM2 got up to 110. i believe that when i ran hioc race fuel it was turbo blue...the only place i could ever find it was at a dirt track near my house,.

in the uk every station has 95 unleaded, 98Superunleaded and at shell garages its 99'Optimax' and then thers this wierd dark coulourd one that says DIESEL...No idea wot thats for...;)

no wonder you guys pay like 2x as much for fuel as us.

Yeah, back to copyguy beating a Hemi Ram. Good one, copyguy!

they sell 110 octane here at a local auto part's store. they call it c10. anyway i'm sure it is unleaded. we have run it in my partners cr125 dirtbike and it smoked the tire down when you barely touch the throttle. i'm gonna buy a few gallons when i go to the track try it out in the hb see what happens. never seen c10 at a pump tho, that must be nice.

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in the uk every station has 95 unleaded, 98Superunleaded and at shell garages its 99'Optimax' and then thers this wierd dark coulourd one that says DIESEL...No idea wot thats for...;)
ahh, now i understand. you guys use the research octane numbers, and we use the R+M/2 octane, which is about 4-5% lower than the research number, so its closer than it seems.

Beating a Hemi Ram is nothing to brag about. It's a truck which weighs around 2,000 more lbs than a Civic.....

actually, i think its even more of a difference than that. but it also has almost 3X the torque of the swapped civic. not to mention the 150 more hp.

Civic VTEC - 11.925 lbs per HP (est)
Ram HEMI - 13.620 lbs per HP

Civic has a 1.695 lbs per HP advantage (est)

i got 13.33 for the ram, which brings the advantage down to about 1.4 pounds per hp, then you figure the torque/weight ratios.

civic-2385 lbs (which is probably a bit light, but we'll stick with this number)
Ram Hemi-4600 lbs

civic-134 lb-ft at best
Hemi-375 lb ft

civic-17.798
Hemi-12.266

thats a 5.532 pounds per pound foot difference. pretty significant advantage goes to the truck.

I don't know where you got 13.3 lbs per HP for the Ram. Inaccurate...

Anyway, HP serves more purpose.... Torque/weight ratio really doesn't mean much. The torque is what gave the Ram the better start, but in the end, the Civic's lbs/hp ratio was better.

In saying all this, the Ram is way too heavy to compete. It doesn't matter if it had the HEMI. It's a truck, built for towing, payload and offroading........ not racing.

In short, unless it was an SRT-10, Lightning or an SS, it's not saying much.

i dont know..my brothers Hemi ram runs 15 flat, stock. wouldnt that be a pretty quick civic to beat that?

yeah, and ive seen quite a few places on the net stating them into the 14s. and the only reason I would be happy about beating them, is because dodge is making such a huge deal about reintroducing the Hemi to the market. and Honda and Toyota have been using that design for years. dodge thinks that the hemi is such a great inovation, but my buddies Tundra TRD could run circles around the big Hemi. that Hemi displaces just shy of 5.7L, and that Tundra had 4.7. so obviously that truck isnt quite what dodge has made it out to be.

is your buddy's tundra stock? ive not seen a stock truck other than a srt10 ram or a lightning find a 14 without help...my brothers ram is bone stock, with factory 17s...and spun coming off the line...

i am not so much a fan of the 5.7 hemi...dont get me wrong, his truck will stomp my old 5.9...but id rather have the 6.1 SRT motor, which is a whole different story. [8D]

his wsnt quite stock. it had the TRD dual exhaust and a drop-in filter. im not sure of what times he ran, but he never had problems with american trucks. even a highly modded (no FI) dodge 5.9 got dusted. off the line the american trucks usually pulled a bit, but they couldnt hang with the 32 valve, 4-cam V-8 in higher revs.

wow..thats pretty interesting...a friend of mine had a TRD blown tacoma, and he traded it on a hemi ram SWB...

does he still have it? what kind of power numbers is he putting down? any ideas?

Imports rule, domestic cars blow, especially new ones, old muscle cars pose quite a challenge however to rice burners, esp. on 93 octane, haha!

no, he sold it. he only works about 6 months at a time, and lives off of savings for a few months, then goes back to work. on one of his off cycles, he decided to fix up his old 52 Chevy pickup and start shopping for an FD RX-7, so he sold the truck so he'd have the money if he found one.

smiller...my old domestic only runs on 87 octane...but ive only seen one person on here with slips to keep up with me...;)

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yeah, and ive seen quite a few places on the net stating them into the 14s. and the only reason I would be happy about beating them, is because dodge is making such a huge deal about reintroducing the Hemi to the market. and Honda and Toyota have been using that design for years. dodge thinks that the hemi is such a great inovation, but my buddies Tundra TRD could run circles around the big Hemi. that Hemi displaces just shy of 5.7L, and that Tundra had 4.7. so obviously that truck isnt quite what dodge has made it out to be.


Dodge Ram weighs ...... 5549 lbs w/ 345 hp & 375 lbs-ft trq
Toyota Tundra weighs .. 3965 lbs w/ 282 hp & 325 lbs-ft trq

Which is 1,585 lb difference. It has NOTHING to do with the HEMI, it's the weight. The HEMI is a bad ass engine, and it's both the 5.7 and the 6.1. It has nothing to do with the HEMI or the HEMI not perfoming.

16.084 lbs per HP for the Ram
14.060 lbs per HP for the Tundra

That's why the Tundra is faster. IMO The Tundra is WAY too light. I would want more beef in my truck. 3,965 lbs isn't much at all. "wimpy weight"


BTW Assembly on the Tundra is done in the United States.....:D

oh im not arguing that the Hemi isnt a great motor, but im just saying that dodge is over-showboating it. I mean, since when is resurecting(sp?) a 40 year old technology cutting edge?

the new hemi is nothing like the old hemi...the only similarity to the original hemi is the plug placement in comparison to the wedge engines. the modern hemi has been Greatly altered to yield at least Some economy numbers

What's all the commotion about a Hemi anyway? What makes it different from a conventional ICE?

the way the hemi can be told apart from another older engine, is for one the Huge cylinder head, and the fact that the spark plugs go directly through the center of the combustion chamber, and is between the valves, as opposed to a "Wedge" engine, where the spark plug is opposite of the valves, entering at the site of the CC. the location of the plug, and the design of the heads along with the huge dome pistons that dodge used on the old hemis, which actually entered well into the head were very powerful. when introduced in the 60s, they produced an advertised 425 horsepower which was greatly under rated, and this was quite a bit more than any other engine offering in the muscle car market. in 1968 you could buy a "hemi dart"..which came with a fiberglass hood and trunk...aluminum bumpers, no interior, and a roll cage...and it ran factory low 10s...very few still exist...i have seen one, it had 900 miles on it and sold for $850,000... ford and GM tried to copy the hemi but chryscos patent on the hemi design was so precise that they quickly sued ford and gm, and they were forced to cease production of the engine. a great deal of the cars in the NHRA still run a hemispherical style cylinder head. i dont know who is at all interested in the NHRA, but if youre watching sometime, watch the top fuel cars as the pull up...they almost all have hemi heads...some of the non-dodge cars still run a hemi engine.

hehehe...ah I lol at the race.
I drive a Hemi QC pickup and just so you all don't shout...just bought a 95 Civic HB.
Beating the ram isn't all that hard...the darn computer does more work then you do. The fly by wire throttle has lag, and did we mention the CPU cuts the power during shifts so as not to detonate the tranny?? Oh yeah...not one stock HEMI ever came close to hitting the famed 345HP. More like 260 stock. LOL On a side note I know of three Hemis that have run consistant 12 sec 1/4s and one that is trying for 11s. NOS is a rough thing to do to an engine, but its just money right??
Good kill...I know I'd have done anything to light 'em off and race away.

im curious on your "none of the hemis get near 345"...i disagree strongly...my brother has dyno'ed his truck...i emaile to him find out what it did..i dont recall...i know it was a WHP measure, but it wasnt NEARLY as bad as you make out...you do know that 260 would be WHP...and the advertised 345 is at the crank...right?

however, i do agree with the awful throttle control...

***update...i got ahold of him...
On a drive-on dyno, he pulled 272 at the wheels...stock....which using the assumed 25% drivetrain loss, comes to 340.

with I/E he dyno'ed to 282 horsepower on the computer dyno using his trap speed, ET, and weight...and thats at the rear wheels....assuming a 25% drivetrain loss, that comes to 352.5 hp.

What year does he have? the 03's where a tad stronger. Does he have the TCM mod? (only 03) Chip, NOS?...17" or 20"...they all make a difference. Still for a Quad Cab truck tipping the scales at close to 6000lbs...0-60 in 7 sec is pretty good. Just wish I could find the full 345 at the wheels...not at the crank.(like a ford)

he has an 02, he does not have the TCM mod...he does not have any non-bolt up mods...K&N filter, and catback...he does have 17s, not 20s...where on a wheel dyno the rotational mass and your LWB will hurt you...

and i again beg to differ that ford measures their hp at the wheels for advertising...every company in the world advertises HP at the crank...for instance, the new cobra which doesnt technically exist yet, has 450hp...that is not WHP...thats at the crank...

25% drivetrain losses? and you guys make fun of FWDs? WTH???;) hondas its more like 10-15%, usually leaning toward the 10%

i dont make fun of FWDs...? are you saying that my 25% assumed loss is too much to be assumed, or youre just stating why you prefer FWD?

i think hes just saying if you lose 25% on RWD then its a wonder why domestics make fun of civics which only lose 10% or so

yeah. i was just being a smartass. :D