Alright, I live in Austin, Tx. So far, with the research I've done, it seems like there are only a few options to run a street legal setup. The rules are really strict here, like near cali strict. Since I have an OBDII vehicle, are my only options for street legal turbo setups the Greddy and the Edelbrock kit? I don't like the Greddy too much since it doesn't come with intercooler and if you add it you lose the street legality. Are there any options for piecing my own kit together that would be legal? Thanks for any advice in advance.
Mr Mobsta Man
02-25-2008, 01:05 PM
Well I think if you buy a greddy intercooler kit you can keep it legal but they are expensive as hell. Have you looked into AEM's standalone, I am not sure but I think itmight legal.
gsumano
02-25-2008, 01:12 PM
ORIGINAL: Mr Mobsta Man
Well I think if you buy a greddy intercooler kit you can keep it legal but they are expensive as hell. Have you looked into AEM's standalone, I am not sure but I think itmight legal.
It mightbe like inCA,where greddy's intercoolerare not CARB legal therefore adding it to their CARB Legal turbo will result making it no longer legal[&:][:'(]
Try searching in theclassifields for an used edelbrock kit, Igot mine used for 1,200. Once in a whileyou might get lucky and find an used edelbrock kit onhonda tech's classifields for around $1,200-1,500.
SovXietday
02-25-2008, 01:19 PM
No, you can't piece together a kit and have it legal.
mybrokenblinker
02-25-2008, 03:22 PM
so essentially the ONLY choice is the edelbrock kit. Can you give me anything on how you like yours gsumano?
Mr Mobsta Man
02-25-2008, 03:59 PM
ORIGINAL: gsumano
ORIGINAL: Mr Mobsta Man
Well I think if you buy a greddy intercooler kit you can keep it legal but they are expensive as hell. Have you looked into AEM's standalone, I am not sure but I think itmight legal.
It mightbe like inCA,where greddy's intercoolerare not CARB legal therefore adding it to their CARB Legal turbo will result making it no longer legal[&:][:'(]
Oh, I was under the impression that their intercooler kits were legal also. Man I feel bad for you guys, around here as long as your car has 4 wheels on it you pass inspection pretty much.
mybrokenblinker
02-25-2008, 05:20 PM
Yeah it does suck, it essentially makes the edelbrock kit my ONLY option.
EJ8_Man
02-25-2008, 09:40 PM
And for those of us who actually do live in Cali what hope do we have? We're pretty close to not being allowed to have engines in our vehicles. What's legal in Cali? I tried googling this and I either got a bunch of legal garble or conjecture. Does anyone know the actual smog laws for Cali?
EJ8_Man
02-25-2008, 10:24 PM
Nvm I just found this dreaded website (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/amquery.php). It's like reading an obituary. We Californian's have a pretty grim outlook when it comes to what's legal and what's not.
arust45
02-25-2008, 10:37 PM
Ha! Convert yourself to obd1 and paint your intercooler black. Can be scary sometimes tho. On the five mile drive from the shop to my house after just getting my 97 turbo, i got pulled over by one undercover detective and two other cop cars at the same time. Every time one cruiser would pass me, they would flip a bitch and tail me. Think they thought my car was stolen, didn't even ask to pop the hood.
gsumano
02-25-2008, 11:18 PM
ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker
so essentially the ONLY choice is the edelbrock kit. Can you give me anything on how you like yours gsumano?
I like it alot. It all the parts are top notch and it comes with everything you need. It's fuel management ("turbo link " piggyback) comes with a pretty good reliable basemap that is already pretune to 11psi, so with a boost controller you can safely raise the stock boost level from 7psi to 10-11psi, putting you around 200whp. Best of all if you live in CA, it's CARB legal and it should pass the smog check test unlike the greddy kit.
mybrokenblinker
02-26-2008, 06:29 AM
Wow the boost controller thing is pretty cool.
Do you have a boost controller or turbo timer?
gsumano
02-26-2008, 12:43 PM
ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker
Wow the boost controller thing is pretty cool.
Do you have a boost controller or turbo timer?
Right now, i just have an greddy turbo timer which i don't even used[&:]. I also have a manual boost controller which the guy i bought my kit gave me, but i just don't trust the manual one's to be as reliable. So, I plan on buying an electronic one in the future.
mybrokenblinker
02-26-2008, 01:02 PM
Cool, any other informatino on your kit would be appreciated, but thanks for all the help. It comes with a boost gauge right? So you could back off if you had any issues with your boost controller
Mr Mobsta Man
02-26-2008, 01:15 PM
Yea it comes with a boost gauge and a single pod that mounts to the a-pillar.
EJ8_Man
02-26-2008, 04:22 PM
I did notice on the obituary for aftermarket parts website that you can put an HKS turbo legally on a B18C motor in California
Actually, based on what you posted, EJ8_Man, this executive order gives exemption to D16s:
The following Honda engine families have been certified to Low Emission Vehicle (LEV) or more stringent emission standards and are excluded from this Executive Order: 1996 model-year, THN1.6VJG3EK, 1997 model-year, VHN1.6VJG3EK, 1998 model-year, WHNXV01.6CA3, WHNXV01.6KA4, 1999 model-year, XHNXV01.6CA3, XHNXV01.6TA3, XHNXV01.6KA4, and 2000 model-year, YHNXV01.6CA3, YHNXV01.6TA3.
Specifically, the D16s with the engine model THN1.6VJG3EK, VHN1.6VJG3EK, WHNXV01.6CA3, WHNXV01.6KA4, XHNXV01.6CA3, XHNXV01.6TA3, XHNXV01.6KA4, YHNXV01.6CA3, YHNXV01.6TA3
Now there might be other executive orders giving exemption to the other Honda engines. The B18C may still be legal to turbo, but this document does NOT say that.
EDIT: okay, I'm misunderstanding this Executive Order. The EO *allows* turbos to be used on any of these cars: 1994 to 2001, Integra GSR,1.8L, 1997 to 2001, Integra Type R, 1.8L 1992 to 2000, Civic, 1.5 & 1.6L 1990 to 2001, Integra, 1.8L, the exception is the 1.6 liter engines listed above. The reason these 1.6 liters aren't allowed is that they're LEV-certified, so installing a turbo would put them into a different emissions class. So...you were right EJ8_Man. Additionally, it looks like any B18 from a 94-2001 integra can take this HKS kit, as well as any D15.
I'm not sure what the 1.6's that are exempt are, so it might be the D16's or the B16's that you can't turbo. I've never seen those engine models before (like "THN1.6VJG3EK"), has anyone else seen these?