What would win in a quarter mile? A stock 2005Evo VIII or 2005 350Z? I am wondering because I don't know which car to get. I am looking to get one next summer.

sorry for posting in the wrong forum.

http://www.hondacivicforum.com/m_82459/mpage_5/tm.htm

about half way down the page, there's a list of just about every car you could want.
it doesn't have the '05 evo though, but it does have the 04 and the 06, both of which easily beat the 350z

"which is fastest" shouldn't really be the deciding factor of your purchase. Drive both, see which one feels better and fully serves your needs, then decide from there.













Then when you realize neither of those cars are "it," Go buy an STi ;):D

Could you please tell me which one is faster? I'm trying to decide which one to get. A stock Lambo gallardo or an F430? I'm saving up the money for it now, so if you could let me know that'd be great

for the record, the evo will dominate. that goes for the "STi" too :D

Jameson....shut it..You and your stupid fascinatioin with the evo...dont know why you like them somuch, your kind doesnt seem to drive many, or any

ORIGINAL: My04Civic

for the record, the evo will dominate. that goes for the "STi" too :D


I certainly wouldn't use the word "dominate," seeing as the evo only slightly edges out the STi by the skin of its teeth.

If its going to be on the track (road course) every weekend, then yes I'd recommend the EVO. But if its purely DD status and some lapping days here and there, the STi is most certainly the way to go.

dominate ;)

fractions ;)

[:o] forty drives a scoob?

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

[:o] forty drives a scoob?



That's what happens when you're out of the loop for a couple of years...hehehe

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

[:o] forty drives a scoob?


Yessir, had to get something that wasn't wrong wheel drive :D

hockey :D

wat?

ORIGINAL: Forty04

wat?

hockey = domination, remembers? [8D]

ORIGINAL: Forty04

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

[:o] forty drives a scoob?


Yessir, had to get something that wasn't wrong wheel drive :D


you got that right.. im still not sure why i have a mazda3. its the first fwd since the civic.

and kolhz. dont make me come after you.

ORIGINAL: My04Civic

ORIGINAL: Forty04

wat?

hockey = domination, remembers? [8D]


That word doesn't apply to the topic at hand

kthx

wahhhh

well the speed wasn't really a deciding factor for me but more as a add on type of thing. I am planning on driving both this summer but just wanted to see what you guys thought bout it. My brother which is about the same height as me but skinnier said that he could barely sit in a 350z because his head came so close to the roof. But i am still going to drive one to see how i feel in it. But i didn't think that the evo would beat a 350z in a quarter. I would have thought that the Z since has more hp don't think much more though and it would seem lighter since its only a coupe and not a sedan like the Evo. Thanks for all your guys input.

well bro. the z is "sexier", better looking, NA and its not a mitz :D

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

well bro. the z is "sexier", better looking, NA and its not a mitz :D


Z also doesn'thave the handling,doesn't take well to big mods,is just slower in general, and impractical as all hell

It really comes down to what you want in a car, but honetly, I can't begin to fathom why anyone would choose a 350z, ever

So does anybody have an Evo i can test drive? or know of anybody?

ORIGINAL: Forty04

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

well bro. the z is "sexier", better looking, NA and its not a mitz :D


Z also doesn'tÂ*have the handling,Â*doesn't take well to big mods,Â*is just slower in general, and impractical as all hell

It really comes down to what you want in a car, but honetly, I can't begin to fathom why anyone would choose a 350z, ever


ok there is an easy way to solve this. get an sti. youll have all the practicality in the world and it wont be a p.o.s over boosted terd. :D

2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 13.5
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 13.4


2003 Nissan 350z 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)


http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html



Well there you go. The evo wins by a hair

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

ok there is an easy way to solve this. get an sti. youll have all the practicality in the world and it wont be a p.o.s over boosted terd. :D


I never said the STi was 100% the correct way to go. If he's going to track the hell out of the car, by all means jump on that EVO. But when you're daily driving it, and taking long trips, the enterior amenities/comforts of the STi may help make it a bit more enjoyable.

ORIGINAL: Forty04

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

ok there is an easy way to solve this. get an sti. youll have all the practicality in the world and it wont be a p.o.s over boosted terd. :D


I never said the STi was 100% the correct way to go. If he's going to track the hell out of the car, by all means jump on that EVO. But when you're daily driving it, and taking long trips, the enterior amenities/comforts of the STi may help make it a bit more enjoyable.


Subarus always have been some of the most comfortable cars to drive in. 2 of my friedns have STi's one with a Legacy L, another with a boosted WRX, and my mom has had 3 Outbacks. All are nice as hell. Never ridden in an Evo, sorry, but the Scoob wont disappoint

sorry but mitz are garbage. i would never own an evo. theres no point for them. If you want a track car buy an m3

ORIGINAL: civic_burns_all

2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIIIÂ* 13.5
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIIIÂ* 13.4


2003 Nissan 350zÂ*Â* 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z RoadsterÂ* 14.3
2004 Nissan 350ZÂ*Â* 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 SpeedÂ* 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)


http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html



Well there you go.Â* The evo wins by a hair







cuz we all know 0-60 times mean so much. ;)

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

sorry but mitz are garbage. i would never own an evo. theres no point for them. If you want a track car buy an m3

possibly one of the most ignorant statements i've ever heard.

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic


ORIGINAL: civic_burns_all

2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 13.5
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 13.4


2003 Nissan 350z 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)


http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html



Well there you go. The evo wins by a hair







cuz we all know 0-60 times mean so much. ;)


cuz we all know how to click the link and actually READ and realize that what i posted are the 1/4th mile time and i removed the 0-60 times next to it;)

and if thats not enough for, PLEASE let me do the honors of copying and pasting for you

Year Make & Model (0-60) (1/4 Mile) Nissan / Datsun

1977 Datsun 200SX 14.6 20.8
1985 Nissan 200SX Turbo 9.5 16.9
1995 Nissan 200SX SE-R 8.2 16.4
1997 Nissan 200SX SE-R 7.8 16.1
1989 Nissan 240SX 8.8 16.5
1990 Nissan 240SX SE 8.8 16.5
1991 Nissan 240SX SE 7.9 16.1
1993 Nissan 240SX Convertible 9.6 17.3
1993 Nissan 240SX SE 8.4 16.3
1995 Nissan 240SX SE 8.3 16.1
1995 Nissan 240SX SE-R 8.0 15.8
1970 Datsun 240Z 8.7 17.1
1971 Datsun 240Z (Auto) 10.4 17.6
1971 Datsun 240Z N/A 17.1
1972 Datsun 240Z 9.0 16.3
1974 Datsun 260Z 9.9 16.7
1983 Datsun 280ZX 9.4 16.9
1983 Datsun 280ZX Turbo 7.3 15.7
1985 Nissan 300ZX 8.2 16.4
1985 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (auto) 7.4 15.7
1987 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 8.8 16.5
1989 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX 7.1 15.5
1990 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.5 15.0
1990 Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo 5.6 14.1
1991 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 7.5 15.9
1991 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (auto) 7.0 15.4
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9
2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)
1971 Datsun 510 2dr 8.7 17.1
1973 Datsun 610 15.1 19.5
1974 Datsun B210 sedan 17.9 19.7
1974 Datsun B210 2-door Hatchback 22.6 24.8
1974 Datsun 610 N/A 19.3
1974 Datsun 710 13.4 18.6
1975 Datsun B210 17.8 20.8
1976 Datsun B210 (4spd) 17.2 21.2
1976 Datsun B210 (5spd) 17.4 20.8
1977 Datsun 810 12.1 18.0
1967 Datsun 2000 Sports 10.2 17.3
1968 Datsun 1600 Sports 13.3 19.9
1973 Datsun 1200 16.5 19.6
1993 Nissan Altima SE 8.2 16.4
1993 Nissan Altima GXE (auto) 9.6 17.2
1994 Nissan Altima GXE 9.4 16.9
1998 Nissan Altima 8.2 16.4
2003 Nissan Altima 3.5SE 5.9 14.6 (C&D (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/1807/splashing-in-the-mainstream-page6.html) Feb '03)
2005 Nissan Altima Se-R 6.1 14.8 (C&D Sept '05)
1976 Datsun F-10 14.2 20.4
1985 Nissan Maxima SE 8.6 16.7
1989 Nissan Maxima SE 8.9 16.9
1992 Nissan Maxima SE 7.3 15.7
1992 Nissan Maxima SE 5 speed 6.7 15.3 (C&D Nov '91)
1994 Nissan Maxima SE (auto) 8.8 16.7
1995 Nissan Maxima SE (manual) 6.6 15.2
1997 Nissan Maxima SE 7.1 15.5
2002NissanMaxima SE 6.0 14.7
1991 Nissan NX 2000 7.8 16.1
1993 Nissan NX 1600 9.9 17.3
1983 Nissan Pulsar NX 12.8 18.8
1989 Nissan Pulsar NX SE 10.3 17.8
1983 Nissan Sentra XE Hatchback 15.0 19.9
1987 Nissan Sentra 11.8 18.6
1987 Nissan Sentra SE Sport Coupe 13.3 19.0
1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R 8.1 16.2
1993 Nissan Sentra SE-R 7.6 15.8
1994 Nissan Sentra SE-R 7.4 15.8
2001 Nissan Sentra SE 2.0 7.9 16.0 (R&T (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0109_commuter_car_comparison/engine_handling.html) Online)
2002NissanSentra SE-R 7.2 15.4
2003NissanSentra SE-R Spec V 7.3 15.6
1995 Nissan Sentra GLE 11.0 18.1
1995 Nissan Sentra GXE 9.6 17.3
2003NissanSentra GXE 9.0 17.0
2007 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V 6.4 15.0 (C&D (http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/download/0705_nissansentra_comparo_ts.pdf) May '07) pdf
1982 Nissan Stanza 11.3 18.2
1992 Nissan Stanza 8.3 16.0


Mitsubishi

1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL 8.5 16.4
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 13.8
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6
1983 Mitsubishi Cordia 13.2 19.1
1984 Mitsubishi Cordia Turbo 9.5 17.0
1987 Mitsubishi Cordia Turbo 8.5 16.5
1991 Mitsubishi Diamante LS 9.0 16.7
1992 Mitsubishi Diamante LS 8.9 16.6
1993 Mitsubishi Diamante Wagon 10.1 17.5
1997 Mitsubishi Diamante LS 8.1 16.1
1989 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 7.2 15.8
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 7.4 15.9
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T (Auto) 7.4 15.5 (MT June, 94)
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.9 15.2
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 7.0 15.3
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS Turbo 6.7 15.3 (MT Sept, 92)
1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.8 15.2
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 9.0 16.6
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4 14.9
2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 7.0 15.4
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1985 Mitsubishi Galant (auto) 14.4 20.3
1989 Mitsubishi Galant GS 9.7 18.2
1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 7.3 15.6
1993 Mitsubishi Galant GS 8.3 16.4
1993 Mitsubishi Galant LS 9.4 17.2
1999 Mitsubishi Galant GTZ 9.0 16.7
2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 5.1 13.5
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 4.5 13.3 (MT Dec '05)
1985 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo 10.4 18.1
1987 Mitsubishi Mirage 12.0 18.6
1989 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo 8.0 16.2
1993 Mitsubishi Mirage Coupe LS 11.0 18.0
1994 Mitsubishi Mirage Coupe LS 8.7 16.6
1984 Mitsubishi Starion 9.2 17.0
1986 Mitsubishi Starion ES 7.5 16.0
1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R 8.3 16.2
1984 Mitsubishi Tredia Turbo 9.0 16.7

LoL

^+10 points!

I think what he meant was that straight line speeds are kinda useless, unless its going to be a drag car.

Then he must be worthless, because the OP's orginal first question was who would win in the quarter mile

ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

sorry but mitz are garbage. i would never own an evo. theres no point for them. If you want a track car buy an m3

possibly one of the most ignorant statements i've ever heard.


hows that? [&:]

first off if your looking for extreme power, go with the evo, the scoobs need bigger turbos for 400+ whp i hear, and my tuner told me to get an evo over 400whp you just need to get cammed, bigger exhaust, front mount, injectors, and tuned to whatever...

but on the other hand, my tuner also hasgone over to scoobs from his evo, so id go with the scoob cuz who needs 400+whp?

my buddy owns a 350z, its fun as hell, but having 2 seats sucks, they sound tight when i/h/e and htey will pwn most anything out there but they are just not as good as an evo or sti at well, anything. (besides being sexy as hell)

just my 2cents, flame away

ORIGINAL: didder

first off if your looking for extreme power, go with the evo, the scoobs need bigger turbos for 400+ whp i hear, and my tuner told me to get an evo over 400whp you just need to get cammed, bigger exhaust, front mount, injectors, and tuned to whatever...

but on the other hand, my tuner also hasÂ*gone over to scoobs from his evo, so id go with the scoob cuz who needs 400+whp?

my buddy owns a 350z, its fun as hell, but having 2 seats sucks, they sound tight when i/h/e and htey will pwn most anything out there but they are just not as good as an evo or sti at well, anything. (besides being sexy as hell)

just my 2cents, flame away


will pawn most everything out there? i LOVE the z. but no. just no. however id still rather have the z or the evo. power does not rule over the 10000 other things that have to do with a quality performance car. Like i said, if your rich and want just something to terrorize on the track, i wouldnt tell you not to get an evo... but if your rich. get a gt3. and if you not rich. dont get an evo. you dont want the headache. get a sti or get a speed6. i would tell you to get an e36 m, but i feel that might go on deaf ears on this forum considering the previous comment. ;)


im not sure why people are stuck on this quarter mile bit? [&:]. heres an idea.. if you want a drag car.. by a drag car.. get a 04 poopstang cobra and go from there. you can still sit 4 in that.

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic


and kolhz. dont make me come after you.



blah blah blah

sti=FUUUUUUUUUUUUGLY

I'd take the 350, fort you must not have driven one if you think the handling is crap. Also, they respond very well to mods....and sound amazing with the factory exhaust. To each his own I guess....but anyone can go out and just buy an awd turbo'd car and think they have something special...

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic


ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

sorry but mitz are garbage. i would never own an evo. theres no point for them. If you want a track car buy an m3

possibly one of the most ignorant statements i've ever heard.


hows that? [&:]


Because "sorry but mitz are garbage" does nothing to educate since you give no reasons, or what part of them you think is garbage.

"there's no point for an evo" what? how about as a really fast, relatively cheap car with four door practicality.

"if you want a track car, buy an m3" besides being out of the price range of the others, (at least for the same year models), this is far from a track car. It is a compromise car just like the other two, it is designed to be fun, but still have some practicality for daily drivability.

"i would tell you to get an e36 m, but i feel that might go on deaf ears on this forum considering the previous comment. "

Not deaf ears, just ones that expect a post to have some semblance of support and rationality.

DCA, just wanted to say sorry, i don't want to sound like an ass. It was far from my intention to call you out or anything, i was just saying that a post with those comments is almost useless since it has no explanation behind it and contributes largely biased opinions not based on fact.

I didn't think this post would go this far. I am just looking for a car that is a daily drive but able to get some power out of it. But did Mitz make a rear differential for the Evo to reduce rear tire scuffing during turns? But i think i might go to the Evo because of the 4 door. But i am still unsure. I just have to wait and test drive both of them, to see which i like more. Any body know if you go to Mitz do they let you test drive an Evo or do they take you for a ride? just curious because I need to test drive one to help out my final option. Thanks all for who gave me feed back!! keep up with the comments.

lol no worries blinker..i understand your point..

My personal experiences with mitz and the evo exclusively has not been good. The headache you will have from problems with that car are to much to be worth it unless.. again your just using it as a track car. But he wants a drag car. in that case buy a 04 gt and supercharge it for the same cost and own all evos. the evo is pointless because to me its just an over boosted waist of time. Yes the four doors and awd are nice and yes its fast but...so is an srt-4.. and those are garbage too. you can overbost anything. still doesnt make it a good race car.

and yes, a new m is gonna cost you. i was talking about like a 97. which run about 10-15k. you can boost or supercharge that with low psi and eat and evo on the race track (not strip) and you will have a very solid motor with a proper power curve instead of a car that runs slower then a stock cavalier if its rpms arnt correct. once again. my advice to him. when you start playing the which will win in a quarter mile game.. pick a proper drag car. take advantage of what us americans do best.

i also post in the middle of work sometimes so it needs to be short and sweet :D

ORIGINAL: Ben

I'd take the 350, fort you must not have driven one if you think the handling is crap. ....and sound amazing with the factory exhaust. To each his own I guess....

Couldn't be more wrong, I actually drove the piss out of a 350z. It oversteers on corners with elevation changes under heavy acceleration, and I dont like that. Its just an overall sloppy car and I couldn't get used to the feel. I'm fairly certain that if I could lap it on a track a couple times, it would be easily outdrivable, and I'd put it into a wall. It's a low priced penis extension and nothing more, imo

ORIGINAL: Ben
but anyone can go out and just buy an awd turbo'd car and think they have something special...

Show me a better all around car for the money, and I'll eat my words


ORIGINAL: Ben
Also, they respond very well to mods

No, actually they don't. Basic bolt ons yes, big power adders, no.

ORIGINAL: Forty04



Show me a better all around car for the money, and I'll eat my words




what price range is that? new evo, high miles? give me a range.. ;)

Lets say low mileage 04-05 STi territory ($18k-$23k for sub 25k miles)

if you want a drag car, get an chevy ls2 engine. Don't get a cobra ok. The Ford cobra's have to be supercharged just to stay with a N/A ls2 engine.

Or get an ls1 with a couple on bolts on and a 100hp shot of nitrous, there is no st1 or evo catching up to you. Unless you have a 500+hp sti or evo, you will burn most of the cars out there.

Now if you want some rally type car. Then you have to do research on yourself

I suggest reading this review. Yes its long but its for your own good.

Then look at the video that top gear had for evo vs sti.


Then get back to us and tell us your view.


http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0407scc_evo_vs_sti/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioNjbsjAZ8k

if you want the best bang for your buck. STI STI STI. when you look at your EVO and think man this car is awesome just remember ITS STILL A LANCER:D. i have driven the STI and the EVO 8. and all around i would take the STI. but then again my dream car is a 22b sti;)

still a lancer? sure..if a zr1 is just a vette.

im confused forty.. you lookin for a better value then the evo 8 or an sti? .. and wtf is lev? wasnt he having problems with his 8? does he even post anymore?

ok instead of which one will win the quarter m ile. how about which one will better take on mods and would be all around cheaper to put performance parts on? thanks

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

im confused forty.. you lookin for a better value then the evo 8 or an sti? .. and wtf is lev? wasnt he having problems with his 8? does he even post anymore?



He hasn't posted in a long ass time. I was referring to the STi. Better all around car for the sub $23k you'd spend on an 04-05 STi with <25k miles.

burnindesirez02 - If you want to do "cheap," stick with your civic. You don't put cheap mods on this type of car, period.

the nx stickers are cheap:D

No i don't want to put cheap mods on the car. I did put cheap ones on my civic because i didn't know alot then but i do know alot more about cars now.

ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker

still a lancer? sure..if a zr1 is just a vette.


i rememebr Marty arguing about the SRT4 about somebody saying "IT'S STILL A NEON" and he put in the low-end model Corvette comparison to the low-end model Neon and i thought it was kinda far fetched lol

i dont think i've responded to this yet, but every single Subaru i've ever rode in has been super comfy, lots of nice accesorries, little perks like heat seat, power everything, rear wipers, etc., but i'm just saying Subaru's IMO never disappoint. I absolutely think Evo's are sex, but the one i rode in wasn't as luxurious as most Scoobs, i know the STi would be super super good if you got it.

idk, i think its true. Any time you completely change the driveline, and the suspension, and exterior panels, and lots of other stuff, it's not just a "blank" anymore.

ORIGINAL: mybrokenblinker

idk, i think its true. Any time you completely change the driveline, and the suspension, and exterior panels, and lots of other stuff, it's not just a "blank" anymore.


^ i agree with that, i was just saying comparing a low-model Neon to a low-model Corevette is far fetched; they are two different leagues of cars.

yes an EVO is just a lancer on steroids. import tuner magazine even agrees with me. and yea a zr1 is still a vette. its a lingenfelter corvette just like its a LANCER EVOLUTION. but if you want the true best bang for you buck i would just get the WRX and just turbo upgrade and your done. or instead of getting the EVO or STI you could get theNEW ralli art. it comes turbo charged, awd, and same suspension as the evo.

massive amounts of FAIL have been detected in that post...


Allow me to disect one of your main failure comments. "Just buy a WRX and upgrade the turbo." Does that turbo upgrade magically add another .5l of displacement to the motor? Does the turbo upgrade come with the suspension and brembo brake package the STi sports? How about a 6-speed trans, does the turbo upgrade come with that? DCCD? See what I'm getting at here?

Base models and sport models are much more different than you're implying. The difference between driving a modified WRX and a Stock Sti is unreal.Just becasuethe WRX is "faster," certainly does NOT make it a better car. Same goes for your other comparisons

ORIGINAL: Forty04

ORIGINAL: DCAcivic

im confused forty.. you lookin for a better value then the evo 8 or an sti? .. and wtf is lev? wasnt he having problems with his 8? does he even post anymore?



He hasn't posted in a long ass time.Â* I was referring to the STi.Â* Better all around car for the sub $23k you'd spend on an 04-05 STi with <25k miles.

burnindesirez02 - If you want to do "cheap," stick with your civic.Â* You don't put cheap mods on this type of car, period.


oh ok.. well i love the sti.. but id rather a speed6 ( my next car). good performance and i little more grown up looking then the sti or evo. in my opinion.

I haven't driven a speed6 yet, but they seem like decent cars. I have my doubts as far as them being as aggressive as an STi though. But, again, it really just boils down to what you want in a car. Clearly you're more interested in something comfortable and sporty, rather than rigid and all out mean.

ORIGINAL: Forty04

massive amounts of FAIL have been detected in that post...


Allow me to disect one of your main failure comments. "Just buy a WRX and upgrade the turbo." Does that turbo upgrade magically add another .5l of displacement to the motor? Does the turbo upgrade come with the suspension and brembo brake package the STi sports? How about a 6-speed trans, does the turbo upgrade come with that? DCCD? See what I'm getting at here?

Base models and sport models are much more different than you're implying. The difference between driving a modified WRX and a Stock Sti is unreal.Just becasuethe WRX is "faster," certainly does NOT make it a better car. Same goes for your other comparisons


All hail subaru, the greatest auto maker on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY GRAIL STI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was referring to the STi. Better all around car for the sub $23k you'd spend on an 04-05 STi with <25k miles.



Show me otherwise....GO!

ORIGINAL: Forty04


I was referring to the STi.Â* Better all around car for the sub $23k you'd spend on an 04-05 STi with <25k miles.



Show me otherwise....GO!


lol i did.. the speed6.. its a 1.5s slower on a track but its better looking, more stylish and grown up. the sti is a better race car.. the speed6 is a better all around car.

not you! I was talking to the ignorant one..

But, since you piped up, I must add... Again, it all comes down to what you want in a car. If you're looking for more creature comforts and a softer more forgiving ride, than yes the Speed6 is probably the car for you.

I perfer rigid and aggressive

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ORIGINAL: Forty04

massive amounts of FAIL have been detected in that post...


Allow me to disect one of your main failure comments. "Just buy a WRX and upgrade the turbo." Does that turbo upgrade magically add another .5l of displacement to the motor? Does the turbo upgrade come with the suspension and brembo brake package the STi sports? How about a 6-speed trans, does the turbo upgrade come with that? DCCD? See what I'm getting at here?

Base models and sport models are much more different than you're implying. The difference between driving a modified WRX and a Stock Sti is unreal.Just becasuethe WRX is "faster," certainly does NOT make it a better car. Same goes for your other comparisons


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better than a supercharged MINIVAN

ORIGINAL: Forty04

not you! I was talking to the ignorant one..

But, since you piped up, I must add... Again, it all comes down to what you want in a car. If you're looking for more creature comforts and a softer more forgiving ride, than yes the Speed6 is probably the car for you.

I perfer rigid and aggressive



yes this is true.. and its not that i disagree with those cars being either or...however.. we were talking about an OVERALL betterness.. to me at least.. the speed6 has higher marks in an overall rating..

....beause you're not as concerned with the fact that it doesn't handle, brake, or accelerate as well as the STi

Don't get an Evo! They get really expensive really fast! On both of mine i find myself replacing parts all the time like fuel relays and fuses. They handle really good on the track but stuff still breaks ever so often. I would consider an STI they seem to be much more reliable. If you really want a cheaper build I dont think that you could go wrong with an LS1, you can get a 1998-2002 T/A for around $15,000 and they are a lot easier (and cheaper) to make fast. I'm actually looking about selling my 05 evofor a c5 corvette at the moment. But don't take my opinion that seriously, i just had some bad experiences over the past 6 years building evos I'm sure evos have worked out fine with a lot of others. I just think mitsu's hate me

350Z = A damn fine looking car that does not live upto the performance of the car that it replaced(300Z TT). There have been well documented suspension problems(call backs because of extensive tire wear and so forth). But like I said a nice look at me car. It also has a very nice exhaust note IMO

The EVO and STi can be looked at on the same level performance wise IMO because one will edge the other out then vice versa but if you take a road trip or sport one around town daily the STi hands down. It rides better and is far more comfortable plus has a nice fat under the curve tq band.

Anything with a LS1 or LS2 in it can handle great, maybe not as good stock vs stock against one of the AWD cars mentioned but with little stuff here and there it can be up there on the list(97+ F-Body, C5/C6 Vette, and/or GTO)

My LS1 likes to do the body roll. However, being able to stick a 325 wide tire without changing anything is just awesome.