View Full Version : starting to piece turbo project together, need help


00IntegraLS
04-04-2008, 04:37 PM
Ok so the kit i was going to buy was discontinued, so I'm deciding to man up and piece together my own kit.

my first question, what is the best turbo for my car? I have a b18b1 integra ls engine. I was thinking of probably going with a turbonetics.

Could someone look at this website and tell me what would be best? I'd appreciate it so much.
This is the list of turbonetics hybrid turbochargers
http://www.turboneticsinc.com/products/index.php?category_id=75

GReddy_Civic
04-04-2008, 05:04 PM
not to sound like a prick, but it seems to me like you dont know much about forced induction. That question alone shows me you need to do A TON more research. what are you goals? daily driver? how much lag do you want? there are a ton more questions...do your research before you blow up

gsumano
04-04-2008, 05:43 PM
Like GReddy_Civic said, it all depends on what are you hp goals.

00IntegraLS
04-04-2008, 06:07 PM
daily driver, runnin 7psi more than likely, I want reliability, would like to gain 75-100 whp

GReddy_Civic
04-04-2008, 07:24 PM
7 psi on what size turbo? dude, srsly, go research. Buy Maximum Boost by Corky Bell, its an awesome book and you will know better what to look for and stuff. Cuz ive noticed youre askin a lot of questions, which is good, but youre questions are ones that people just beginning to research should ask

didder
04-05-2008, 01:05 AM
cant go wrong with a t3/t4 turbo, go with garrett, $575 for their t3/t04e journal bearings and you will most def get 75whp out of it at 7psi with a free flowing exhaust and 2.5"intercooler piping. oh, and a good tune..

but im also a garrett nut [&:]

00IntegraLS
04-05-2008, 03:13 AM
thank you didder...
here is my first potential set up that I have pieced together, let me know what you think,
I can get the following for about $2200..
-turbonetics t3/t4 turbocharger w/ball bearing upgrade
-Turbonetics evolution wastegate
-HKS blow off valve
-Treadstone cast manifold
-Treadstone downpipe kit
-Treadstone 2.5" intercooler piping
-oil line kit
-all hardware, gaskets, silicone, etc.
-k&n air filter

then not included in the $2,200 I would get
-walbro fuel pump
-hondata s300
-arp headstuds
-act clutch
-new head gasket
-new timing belt
-adj. cam gears
-new cams
-cooler radiator
-cooler spark plugs
-boost gauge
-air/fuel gauge
-turbo timer
-fuel regulator
-bigger injectors

and that should about do it, anything missing?

bcivic
04-05-2008, 07:21 AM
Well dont forget the tune that could cost you a few hundred.

GReddy_Civic
04-05-2008, 08:00 AM
The tune and youll need a conversion harness. If youre gonna be runnin different cams, it might be wise to change out the rods and psitons and at the very least get the rods shot peened. Id change the piston rings as well if you dont change the completely. You dont need a new timing belt depending on when yours was change. Did you do a compression test as well?

00IntegraLS
04-05-2008, 01:54 PM
my buddy has a dyno shop and hes not gona charge me for the tune since im paying him to help me install it. I need an obd2-obd1 conversion harness right?

and what you are saying is that if i change the cams then i should change all that other stuff, or if i dont change the cams then i shouldnt need to change the other stuff?

didder
04-05-2008, 02:45 PM
if your shooting for 100whp more you wont need to be cammed, or a cam gear, stock radiator will probably be fine, and you wont need a fuel regulator.

if your changing the timing belt you might as well get a new water pump,

you will need an intercooler (unless thats included in your piping?), and an oil pressure gauge (to be safe).

get 440cc precisioninjectors ($240-250),or 450 dsm's with a resistor box (hella cheaper).


thats all i can think of off the top of my head...

SilverWrench
04-05-2008, 08:25 PM
i have a question about piecing together your own turbo kit
how exactly does it cost so much less than a kit?
do you just wait for used parts to pop up or what?
sorry didn't mean to jack your thread :)

GReddy_Civic
04-05-2008, 09:07 PM
Well part of it is that most of the stuff you need is there together, where as when you pice it, you have to get stuff to fit and match...which really isnt hard. So i guess its a convenience thing. Also a lot of time you pay for the name.

croninc
04-05-2008, 11:21 PM
its just like building your own computer, hella cheaper than if you were to say buy it from best buy because you have to pay like Dell for their parts and for them to make it and put it together, then you have to pay for even more for the company to sell it so they can make money. So if you just were to buy the parts from dell you would avoid the extra cost it costs for them to make the comp and the extra cost the retail store sells it for, its all a convience game and name game, gonna cost you more if you buy all of the same highend parts even if you dont need them for your application.

SilverWrench
04-06-2008, 12:06 AM
ok but if you cut corners and be cheap won't that make it less reliable? do you really save half as much money?
reason i'm asking is because i've been looking at the turbonetics kit and its about $1800 doesn't come with EVERYTHING but it comes close, but you're saying if i shop around for individual parts the total cost will be a lot less, whenever i looked at individual parts and added it up it was pretty much the same as a kit
but i'm gonna look around again because i would love to save that kinda money

didder
04-06-2008, 12:36 AM
people have pieced together turbo kits for under 2k, soxvietday did his for right around that and it was an insanely beautiful stock motor kit. its about cutting corners where its safe to cut corners, ie: intercooler piping, dsm injectors, used manifolds / downpipes / dumps, etc...

you have to dig around DEEP into the internet, used is your friend when it comes to saving money

00IntegraLS
04-06-2008, 03:16 AM
just because someone pieces together their own kit to save money doesnt make them cheap and lesser quality. like seriously what I'm doing is I found a turbo kit that I like, then I looked for all the individual parts and got near exactly the same thing (i changed a few parts to I think better parts) for about $1,400 less than the kit... everything is brand new as well

00IntegraLS
04-06-2008, 03:25 AM
I'm going to get a fuel pressure regulator cuz they arent expensive and it will help the tuner out with a gauge, and also to be safe I'm getting a Mishimoto radiator, fan, and hose kit for like $300

anyways, I have run into a few questions...

1) should I get a walbro 255 inline or in tank fuel pump?
2) I'm getting a Blox MAP bypass valve, do I need a MAP bypass assembly? (This one kit i was looking at said it came with the MAP sensor assembly and then you can buy the Blox MAP bypass valve) hope this is clear
3) with the hondata s300, I was looking at some on ebay and the prices range from like 550-800 and some of the descriptions are different so idk what i need exactly.. If anyone knows exactly what I need could you post a link? thanks much.

I'll be starting a project thread on monday after I start purchasing parts. So far I have a list of 25 things for a grand total of about $3900. However, some of the stuff I didnt really look on ebay for yet so I'll check that out before I purchase. but I think I have all the bases covered except my 3 questions, I'll post a list of EVERYTHING (its somewhat different than what I posted on the first page)

Mr Mobsta Man
04-06-2008, 10:45 AM
1.) In tank 255lbh Walbro
2.) You don't need a missing link if you are running hondata.
3.) Awesome link (http://www.hondacivicforum.com/search.asp) to everything you want/need to know

GReddy_Civic
04-06-2008, 10:51 AM
im stiill laughin at this...and the hondata units have add ons. get the in tank one. sigh...i have a bad feeling about this

00IntegraLS
04-06-2008, 12:08 PM
alright thanks. my list is near complete. should I get a new flywheel to go along with the clutch. I've read some do, some dont, some get resurfaced...

would this clutch work? it says
Torque Capacity: 311 ft/lbs / Clamp Load Increase: 55%
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-F1-RACING-CLUTCH-KIT-6-PUCK-INTEGRA-B18-GSR-TYPE-R_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33730QQihZ007QQitemZ1 70206952955QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

or theres one that has 243 tq. capacity but I think that would be cutting it close after my turbo especially if I decide to build up the block

gsumano
04-06-2008, 12:10 PM
If you really want to save money, the best way is to buy an used turbo kit that someone else is selling. For example, there is a person on turbd16 selling a complete greddy turbo kit with even a chipped p28, conversion harness and other goodies for just $1,000. Now that is a fudging great deal.

00integrals, check out honda tech's classifields, you will find plenty of turbo parts for really good prices.

GReddy_Civic
04-06-2008, 12:21 PM
^^^if im correct, turbod16 makes you make a donation to use the classifieds section, jsut a heads up

gsumano
04-06-2008, 06:01 PM
ORIGINAL: GReddy_Civic

^^^if im correct, turbod16 makes you make a donation to use the classifieds section, jsut a heads up


Only if you want to sell something. It's free for buyers.

Forty04
04-07-2008, 06:07 AM
Hey guess what, this ones getting locked too. STOP making new threads, keep it all into the one that I'm leaving open.

THese are the same damn topics over and over and over. Just cause they involve slightly different questions they do not require a new thread.