Today I got 2 Visonik 12"s in a ported box for 40 bucks. The subs are cheap I know, but the box is very nice.

Any way, I have a 1000 watt sony xplod amp and the subs were bridged to it. The speakers both blew about half way up. The subs are Visonik V12D4's 4 voice coil I think and and 300rps 600 watt max. I'm pretty sure these are the specs. I googled it earlier but am not exactly sure. Can somebody help me out by posting the specs? I'm on a blackberry and it"d take forever.

I had two pioneer 10"s hooked up to the same amp and they are fine. They are like 250rps and 500watt max. The amp is a 1/2 channel.

My question is how come the 12s blew and the 10s don't? I don't understand it.

4 ohm, 2 ohm what?

Yeah the watts actually delivered depends on the impedance setup.

Of course you still have to be careful not to turn it up too far or anything can blow. Since you learned that with the first set.

A ported enclosure also let's the woofer go a bit on the "wild side" So having the amp tuned improperly can add to the early demise of any sub.
crossover point, gain setting, bass boost, etc.

The visoniks are 4ohm. I'm thinking that the pioneer 10s are dual vioce coil. Is voice coil and ohms the same thing? I'm just trying to find some good 12"s that will work with my xplod amp.

The amp is
185W*2 (4 ohms)
Max power output 1000W (2 ohms)

you cant cheap on audio, i mean 40 bucks for 2 twelves??? what do you expect...never heard of that brand. Look dont cheap out ur not going to get good stuff if you only spend 40 bucks. I'm not trying to hate but 12s dont really mean your gunna have a good setup. If you spend a good amount on one 10 you will be surprised how well it sounds with some good speakers in the car. Even if you have 2 kicker l7's or something like that and you dont have good speakers your car is going to sound like crap, just trying to help....i dont know much about the watt stuff and all that but you need to spend like 500 bucks if you want something decent.

if you want cheap subs that do a decent job check out pyramid superblue 12's (if they still make them), and any mtx sub. im not a fan of either but i have a friend who has 2 pyramid super blue 12's and has been pounding the hell out of them for 6yrs. my sister has 2 mtx thunder that she's had for 4 yrs. i spent a little more on mine. i have 2 TREO Engineering SSI 12's that ive had for almost 7yrs that still slam. i think i spent $180 ea. on my subs, and when i got them that was a deal.

i just did a quick search on ebay and found a few things that if i were in your situation i would buy. they are decent subs on the cheap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-AUDIOBAHN-AWC12Q-12-INCH-SUBWOOFERS-SUBS-2000-WATTS_W0QQitemZ140229899340QQihZ004QQcategoryZ1880 3QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-New-MTX-Thunder-900-Watt-12-Inch-Audio-Subwoofers-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38647QQihZ003QQitemZ 130220177154QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/Polk-Audio-MM2124-DVC-12-Subwoofer-NIB_W0QQitemZ360048106656QQihZ023QQcategoryZ18803Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp163 8Q2em118Q2el1247
http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-S12L5-12-1200-WATT-SUBWOOFER-2-OHM-SUB-L5-NEW_W0QQitemZ280222892175QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3291QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

i have an audiobahn 12 that i dont use anymore but its not because i dont like it, its because i only have 1 car that has a system in it. i had it alone in my 89 camaro and it was so loud i couldnt hear anything outside the car.
the polks are a little more expensive but well worth the money. i would recomend these to anyone.
the kicker L5 is the most expensive of the group but you will only need 1. 2 is nice but in a car that small 2 would be overkill. my roommate has 1 of these in a ported box in his 91 dx and it leaves your ears ringing when you get out.

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you cant cheap on audio, i mean 40 bucks for 2 twelves??? what do you expect...never heard of that brand. Look dont cheap out ur not going to get good stuff if you only spend 40 bucks. I'm not trying to hate but 12s dont really mean your gunna have a good setup. If you spend a good amount on one 10 you will be surprised how well it sounds with some good speakers in the car. Even if you have 2 kicker l7's or something like that and you dont have good speakers your car is going to sound like crap, just trying to help....i dont know much about the watt stuff and all that but you need to spend like 500 bucks if you want something decent.


That makes no sense. If I dont spend $500, it wont sound good?


Ive got good speakers. I just want some good bump for a low price. I dont need top of the line stuff, thats why I got new Pioneer speakers and HU. Im looking for some decent priced audio that beats hard.


And I know all the stuff you guys say, "you cant cheap out on audio, performance parts blah blah" I know, so you dont have to post that here.

Dual voice coil subs can be wired for different ohms depending on how you interconnect the two coils. You will need to open the box and see how they are set up. Match them to the lowest ohms that your amp is rated to handle to get the most power.

There were some good points made above. Please make sure that the next speakers you buy are put in the proper sized box. A vented or ported will be louder and will allow the speakers to "extrude" more then a sealed (hence why louder, moving more air easier). However a sealed box will give you a little cleaner bass. Anyways, voice coils and ohms are not the same thing but they do coincide with one another when making a selection. An ohm is the resistance of the current the speaker can handle. One is not any better then the other, it just allows you to set your system up differently. Generally if you have a dual voice coil (DVC) sub and it lists its a 4ohm sub (its going to be 2 ohms per coil). You mentioned that your amp is 185x2 at 4ohms and 1000watts max at 2? I am not sure what amp you have but it sounds like you are saying that it is 185 RMS or continuous at 4ohms? that is hugely different then max. Your max wattage is what your amp is capable of in an instance not all day long. This is very important to understand. Why? If your speakers are rated or need more power then your amp is capable of they will put additional stress on the amp. This can cause 2 major problems. One, you could fry your amp. Secondly, you might be turning your amp up and it will start to "clip" that is when the amp is being pushed beyond its limits. This clipping will come out of the speakers as distorsion (many people think their speakers are distorting when its actually the amp crying for help) and will result in blowing your speakers. Thirdly, you can find good speakers at a reasonable price but you are going to have to look a little harder then finding not as good speakers at a reasonable price. I am not sure of your budget so I am going to give you some blind suggestions. JL audio w1's and mtx thunder 4500's are very good speakers for the money. If I remember right the w1's go for about $130 a piece and similar to the mtx. Are there better speakers? Of course there are however for the money from the speakers I have listened to and the experience I have had with, these are pretty viable options if they are within your budget and would fare well with your amp.

alright so you want a good set of subs for your car but don't want to spen too much for them. Already you got a pretty decent amp, so why don't you stick to the same name brand subs jus like your amp.two 12" sonyxplod subs are fairly cheap, you can get them fromwalmart forboth i believe jusunder 300 bucks. Now keep in mind with all new subs you have to allow them to break in. So the next pair of subs you get keep the volume on them below half for about a week or two. NEVERput them at full potential immediatly, the materails need to break in. Good Luck!! i'lltry find the exact cost for you on thise subs.

Found them, 68 bucks a piece.
http://www.walmart.com/search/browse-ng.do?ic=48_0&ref=125875.295233+500500.4294296139

Actually, rarely is it in the best interest to stick with the same company set up throughout your car.
Alpine makes the best head units, doesn't mean they have the best speakers, JL makes great subs, not necessarily great speakers, etc.

Also, some subwoofers don't need a break in period, and the only thing that really "breaks in" is the subwoofer spider.

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Actually, rarely is it in the best interest to stick with the same company set up throughout your car.
Alpine makes the best head units, doesn't mean they have the best speakers, JL makes great subs, not necessarily great speakers, etc.

Also, some subwoofers don't need a break in period, and the only thing that really "breaks in" is the subwoofer spider.



Keep in mind everybody has a different opinion when it comes to car audio and what brands to go with and what not. I'm not going to disagree with you, it's your own opinion. Now i've been to many car audio stores and asked them about the whole "break in" thing for subs, and every single one of them said the same thing. "If you bought something brand new, would you push it to its max right off the bat?" of course i said, "no." So basically they said to be on the safe side, allow the subs to break in for about a week just under half volume. And you're right, there are some companies that claim their subs don't need a break in period, but i would on the safe side (in my opinion..lol)

I will admit I'm not 100% sure why some subwoofers don't require break in, but from what I have gathered so far is that the spiders are stretched and shrunk repeatedly in the factory, therefore they don't need to be broken in because they technically already have been.
Yeah I mean everyone does have a different opinion on brands etc but, what are the chances that a company who owns stereos/equalizers/amplifiers/speakers/subwoofers/enclosures will have all their products be the best short of a revolutionary new method of building they have achieved you know?
I mean I agree with you in that it should be opinion, but if someone has all the same brand in their car, they probably didn't do much research or listen to many other options

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I will admit I'm not 100% sure why some subwoofers don't require break in, but from what I have gathered so far is that the spiders are stretched and shrunk repeatedly in the factory, therefore they don't need to be broken in because they technically already have been.
Yeah I mean everyone does have a different opinion on brands etc but, what are the chances that a company who owns stereos/equalizers/amplifiers/speakers/subwoofers/enclosures will have all their products be the best short of a revolutionary new method of building they have achieved you know?
I mean I agree with you in that it should be opinion, but if someone has all the same brand in their car, they probably didn't do much research or listen to many other options



I'll admit, i don't have all the same brand in my car. Two 12" premiers, premier deck with bluetooth, and 1200watt Sony amp. I did have a rockford fosgate amp, but it **** the bed on me after 5 good years of use. Oh well, jus bought a sony amp for now, i plan on getting a memphis amp. by this summer.

I thought about getting some JLs the other day. I am just wondering which ones (or one) would be alright to work with my amp right now. Later on, when I have more money Im going to replace all of my speakers and HU. I know a guy who has some Rockford 12"s, the older ones, not new, Ill try and get some specs on them.

Thanks for the help.

I don't know JL that well, so i can't really help you there, don't forget kicker subs too, and there inexpensive. Shop around, get some ideas, read up a lil bit on car audio and then decide. That's your best bet.

Also, I read somewhere that the Sony subs suck, but the black ones arent that bad. anyone have/had them on here? I may buy 2 and put them in my box and try them, if I dont like them I can take them back to Wal Mart.

My friend has the 12" ones in his car right now, and he loves them alot. To be honest, they sound pretty damn good!! Give them a shot, you might like them.

i agree with the whole different headunit, subs amp thing. i swear by pioneer headunits. i went kinda cheap on the amp its a Legacy 1200x2, 2400 max ( $160 on ebay) works great. then i have 2 TREO 12's in a sealed 3 cubic foot box. then interior speakers i reall like are pyle. they are cheap but they scream. look around and see whats in your budget and go from there.

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ORIGINAL: croninc

you cant cheap on audio, i mean 40 bucks for 2 twelves??? what do you expect...never heard of that brand. Look dont cheap out ur not going to get good stuff if you only spend 40 bucks. I'm not trying to hate but 12s dont really mean your gunna have a good setup. If you spend a good amount on one 10 you will be surprised how well it sounds with some good speakers in the car. Even if you have 2 kicker l7's or something like that and you dont have good speakers your car is going to sound like crap, just trying to help....i dont know much about the watt stuff and all that but you need to spend like 500 bucks if you want something decent.


That makes no sense. If I dont spend $500, it wont sound good?


Ive got good speakers. I just want some good bump for a low price. I dont need top of the line stuff, thats why I got new Pioneer speakers and HU. Im looking for some decent priced audio that beats hard.


And I know all the stuff you guys say, "you cant cheap out on audio, performance parts blah blah" I know, so you dont have to post that here.


I'm talkin about the whole setup, bro you cant spend 40 on some pos and expect it to work good. Ya you need to spend money to get something good. Its kinda the known in this world that usually if you something is too cheap then is too good to be true. Sorry to break it to you but you will prolly keep braking your system cause you get cheap stuff. turbo kit for 1k same as 2 12's for 40 bucks. Higher quality stuff is going to cost you 500+ you obviosly dont know crap about audio or your standards are really low

this website is really good millionbuy.com cheaper than anywhere else.

Dude, I know better things are sometimes priced higher. These weren't even brand new subs. I got the subs and box from a friend for 40 bucks.

BTW you need to work on your grammar, its hard to understand your posts.

With my amp specs that I posted, and the black sony subs that someone else posted above ^^^ would they work with my amp?