Pulled up to a light today while I was running errands for work and sat in between an 03 Cobra and a second gen RX-7. As soon as I pulled in the middle of them the mustang begins revving up and inching forward. I of coarse looked at him with a slight nod to let him know he wasnt worth my time or gas and he obviously didnt get it, so when the light hit green he fricking took off and the RX-7 did too. THe RX-7 had to get a car length or more on him and I could hear the RX-7 was pretty modded and also heard a BOV, (Type-S maybe) Hard to tell how far the RX-7 was ahead but when I pulled up next to them at the next red light I looked at the mustang guy and just laughed out loud at him, he didnt even look my way. I looked over to the RX-7 to see an older gentelmen maybe in his 60s just smiling at me and the mustang guy. It was great, I need to carry a video camera.

Kids and their Mustangs. That poor guy probably felt like he had an enormous wang but couldn't use it after that,

what a beast

poor fellow.

there used to be a shop in my home town area that had some guy in his 60s bring in a third gen RX7 and a photo...he handed the owner the photo and said "i want my RX7 to look and run like this one, no matter what the cost. it was a picture of the red rx7 from FATF...so the shop did an exact copy, building the engine to run as good as it looked. the guy actually showed it claming to be the same car, and he had the owners of the shop race the car for him so he could have the time slips. it ran a ten after some tuning. the owner of that shop has a blue 2nd gen, and it runs low 11s...they can be sick cars with the right work done.

Yeah, that's true. But Wankels are such a bitch to get torque out of...

2003 cobra has 390bhp, but it weighs like 3800lbs
2nd Gen RX-7 13B Turbo if it is in the 90s has 200bhp but weighs 2800lbs

Numbers might be wrong, but unless the RX was spraying I dont see this happening...

provided a healthy build, i see no reason why the 7 couldnt have hung with the cobra...and from ive seen at the track, alot of those "390 hp, high 12 second cobras" are driven by "45yo, low 14 second drivers"...

First off the weight difference there is huge, that alone is a huge advantage. They are both RWD. I know the 7 wasnt stock cause I heard the BOV, which I do belive sounded very greddy. I dont belive the mustang had more than a cheap pair of mufflers added to it. Wouldnt be that hard to get the 7 to beat the mustang IMO. Kinda of stereotypical of me but since the guy was older he prob has enough money to do so. Whos knows, maybe the 7 was at half throttel the whole way because he was brakeing in his 20b, lol. J/k.

one time i saw a 6-cyl mustang with cobra-R badging. even a crappy rx7 could eat that up.

i also saw a mustang with twin GT-R Vspec badges. i wish i had my camera back then.

if the driver is as cocky as he sounds, it's possible his "cobra" may have been a slight overstatement. that's the type of person i could see doing this kind of stuff.

i love RX7s always have...my dad has a 1st gen. im trying to get him to drop a 13B in it and a bunch of performance stuff...but he wants to leave it all stock...oh well

when i worked as a tech, i had a guy come in telling me that he needed new brakes, and he wanted to make an appointment...i asked him what kind of car..his reply was:

2001 Mustang Saleen Cobra 38 Special.

I said, what is a 38 special?

his reply, "ford made a limited number of saleen cobra's with a super high performance 3.8 liter engine"

i wanted so badly to see it, that i called my appointment for that slot and bumped it, and got him in. someone had sold this poor moron a green six cylinder automatic mustang with a saleen body kit and wing on it. i was going to tell him, but i figured that getting screwed was a deserving punishment for buying a mustang.

wow nice race. i love both cars. they both have good rep's. i raced a gt not to long ago with my ls teg and whoop him on take off and hit 50 i was about a good 3 cars ahead of him. poor guy just bought the car and cant even keep up with a import i think he couldnt drive. hondabboysgrl was with me she was screaming at me the whole time. LOL she hates me racing got bad experiences with cops lol
hondabboysgrl----->[sm=nono.gif][sm=gears.gif]<------hondabboy

Hey not all Mustangs are slow (feeling a little beaten up on this one cause thats what i race). I figure a mid 12 second car on a stock bottom end no power adder is pretty good. Let me throw on a turbo, supercharger, or nitrous and i hit low 11's

"390 hp, high 12 second cobras" are driven by "45yo, low 14 second drivers"...

Damn.. where do you live? Im lucky if I even see one cobra at our rinky-dink track, much less so many that I can compare age of the drivers and times.

stock 7 has 255, and with the 1000 pound difference, that gap is narrowing even more. and if the 7 is modded, then the Cobra is in trouble. single turbo upgrade and some good tuning, and its over.



EDT: my bad, i was thinking 3rd gen 7. but i stand by my statements for the most part. a modded FC could easily smoke a mostly stock Cobra.

this reminded me of something: around here, anytime you see a 280z, 1rst or 2nd gen rx7, older model supra, ect. it always seems to be driven by a really old guy. an old and angry guy.

and i saw a white haired old lady driving around in a red camaro SS the other day, too. i thought old people liked lincolns, caddys, stuff like that. what gives?

yeah, thats Cali for ya;)

ORIGINAL: CivicWonderland

Hey not all Mustangs are slow


in a straight line with no downshifting

US3R...i run in pittsburgh...and id have to say that at my home track, i run in 'street', and that class has at least 10 03-04 cobras on a regular basis last year. there are two that are very fast, one runs in the very low 10s..the other has tags that read "NOJOKE"...he runs high 11s...he was the one that told my buddy that he was going to "embarrass me"...he did beat me...i ran a 12.69, he ran a 11.90...so i guess he was right...his built, new blown cobra beat my 22 year old nonner running on 87 octane...the worst part, i dont know the guy, he just decided to start running his mouth. but other than those two, the rest are older guys who always show up and seem REALLY happy to run high 13s or low 14s...and they hang out with the guy who is running a C5 Z06 in the high 13s...

ORIGINAL: Patrick

...but i figured that getting screwed was a deserving punishment for buying a mustang.


aww dude thats so harsh....but so true :D

ORIGINAL: CivicWonderland

Hey not all Mustangs are slow (feeling a little beaten up on this one cause thats what i race). I figure a mid 12 second car on a stock bottom end no power adder is pretty good.


the new mustangs are speedy little bitches. theres a dude down the street with one...hes held with his neighbors S2000 pretty good

stock for stock the newer GTs, at least 02+ should keep pace with an S2000, and the cobras (03-04) should waste the S...but id rather have the S because once turns come into play, id take the S2000 any day..

then again, i wouldnt be one of the followers who own mustangs if it was free to me.

ORIGINAL: LEVIII


in a straight line with no downshifting

My car corners quite well also i could keep up with my friends lowered Accord with full suspension work. I also can outcorner my other friends 03 Golf which was also lowered. So i figure it doesn't do to bad. The only bad thing is it would more likely be a better drift car then a corse car but either way it does pretty well.

ok. mustang, good cornering. hmm dont belong in the same sentence together. i rented a 99 mustang v6 once just to see how it felt, never drove one before. okish acceleration, but steering was horrible. i had a 94 chevy w/t single cab with long bed that outcornered that car. i took the car to a road that curves sharply for approx. a 1/8 of a mile or so. in my chevy truck i could take the curve at 50 no problems, always kept traction. i did the same in the mustang at 45 and the ass end kept trying to get out from undr me, and it was leaning badly. it made me very nervous, the car is difficult to control and i wouldnt own one. bad experience

a coworker of mine had a 99 cobra, built, and i drove it a few times...for the money that he had into it, i was not at all impressed...

my bosses Vette runs circles around a true Saleen that runs at the tracks around here. oh, and the cars also SPONSORED by Saleen. yeah. it aint stock. of course, neither is the Vette;)

mm vettes..ive always loved 'em. my step grandpa used to collect 'em before he died. not models...the real things. he had a 57, a 61, a 69 stingray, a 73, an 89, a 92, and a 94. he had seven major strokes but could still drive until 98 when he had a stroke and died.

if i was as rich as he was when he died well...id just be happy with my life

ORIGINAL: Jansolo from Norcalevo.net

The other day at lunch, I decided to go with some former coworkers to Courtesy Chevrolet and test drive a C6 Vette. Having driven only one Vette before (an automatic C5), I had no real idea what to expect.

The salesperson was this crazy old lady who kept on trying to bond with me over the tech industry. Apparently, she was a former EA (aka executive assistant, which roughly translated means secretary) at SGI, so she therefore knew the ins and outs of the entire tech industry at every company. Yay for her.

She gave me the low down on Vette, with such interesting tidbits as "the Corvette has a telescoping steering wheel, where as the Porsches do not". Unfortunately for her, one of my ex-coworkers drives a Porsche and quickly corrected her (they do have telescoping steering wheels, FYI).

Anyhow, onto the test drive!

I hopped into a used C6 with a few thousand miles. This particular C6 has the Z51 package (bigger sway bars, bigger brakes and bling bling cross drilled rotors) and the 1SA package which includes nothing worth noting but tacks on another 1405$ to the car.

As I started to drive out of the parking lot ever so slowly, the salesperson started to yell out "stop.. stop.. STOP!", increasing her volume and sense of urgency. I had just passed my ex-coworkers who were standing to the right of the car, so I figured she was just smoking crack since they were now nowhere near the vehicle. But, no - she wasn't high on goof. A minivan was pulling out quickly to our right and was not paying attention to the fact that I was about to come up behind it. I slammed on the brakes, but it was too late - the mini van slammed into the front passenger side of the Vette, scaring the solid waste material out of me and freaking out the salesperson. I shut off the car and jumped out to assess the damage. I was appalled. There was nothing. No damage whatsoever. Ok, there was some dust that had been cleared off, but yeah the thing was fine. The ex-coworkers said that the minivan had slammed into the Vette, the entire front end bent in and then came back as if nothing has happened. All that R&D into fiberglass has paid off and Saturn drivers everywhere are reaping the rewards.

I attempted to calm down and took off onto San Tomas Expressway, determined not to let the accident spoil my test driving experience. The salesperson told me to open it up and I did, bringing 4 gears to 6500rpm. Don't worry Tam - I wasn't street racing anyone, just having a bit of fun on a very long street with very light traffic. Wink Maybe all the Evos in the world have ruined it for me. I've driven a Viper at Skip Barber, the WORKS shop Evo, ez76's Evo and Robi's Evo and every one of those cars felt more impressive than the C6 Vette. Hell, Pete from WORKS had a crazy E36 M3 with a Dinan supercharger he designed and tuned and it felt like it had more torque than the Vette did. Needless to say, I walked away unimpressed with the power. Maybe the Corvette is so well designed that is masks the power it has from the driver, forcing them to look at the speedometer and the cars it is passing to assess it's true velocity. Or maybe it was my jangled nerves, still a mess after nearly mangling a car before I even left the dealers parking lot. Unfortunately, I didn't get to take it on any twisties or crazy turns to feel it's oversteer, er handling in all it's leaf spring empowered glory.

And then there was the price of the car. As we all know, GM lost 1.1$ billion last quarter with very few signs of recovering any time soon. This translates into sales being down at GM dealerships everywhere. Therefore, you would think that GM affiliated dealerships would price their cars wisely so they would be able to sell them. Too bad this dealership hasn't been reading the news, because they wanted 54k$ for a used Corvette that is really worth - if it was new, 47,610$ MSRP with packages. Eventually, the salesperson-secretary admitted that the dealership would bring the car down to 46k$ on a used car if I was persistant enough. What a bunch of sweeties. She then told me that they were having issues getting the new Vettes and that there was a shortage of them. A few minutes later, a truck drove up with 7 more new Corvettes for the dealership. Reality and the salespersons words were obviously not in parallel.

ORIGINAL: elfreaky70363

ok. mustang, good cornering. hmm dont belong in the same sentence together. i rented a 99 mustang v6 once just to see how it felt, never drove one before. okish acceleration, but steering was horrible. i had a 94 chevy w/t single cab with long bed that outcornered that car. i took the car to a road that curves sharply for approx. a 1/8 of a mile or so. in my chevy truck i could take the curve at 50 no problems, always kept traction. i did the same in the mustang at 45 and the ass end kept trying to get out from undr me, and it was leaning badly. it made me very nervous, the car is difficult to control and i wouldnt own one. bad experience

i see the problem with this whole deal. the base v-6's come with a 6.5 inch wide wheel with like a 205/65 15 inch tire not exactly a performance piece. the base cars also don't have the suspension setup as the GT's or Cobra's. the GT's and CObra's (up to 99 wehn Cobra went IRS) all have a qaud shock rear which was designed to help reduce axle wrap. they also had heavier sway bars and heavier springs. i have a 245/50 16 all the way round on my car and yes it does corner quite well. i also have upgraded control arms and a few other things done to my car to make it corner well. and just becasue a car has a performance suspension doesn't mean the driver can handle or drive the car to it's potential.

I've driven a Viper at Skip Barber, the WORKS shop Evo, ez76's Evo and Robi's Evo and every one of those cars felt more impressive than the C6 Vette. Hell, Pete from WORKS had a crazy E36 M3 with a Dinan supercharger he designed and tuned and it felt like it had more torque than the Vette did.
Oh give me a break, the C6 chirps 2nd with an AUTOMATIC TRANNY. When did 400ft/lb of torque become weak?
Unfortunately, I didn't get to take it on any twisties or crazy turns to feel it's oversteer, er handling in all it's leaf spring empowered glory.
Hahaha Stupid vette with its backwoods retard truck leafsprings!!!! Hahahah what a stupid car that only pulls .98g on the skidpad!!!! Ahahaha Stupid leafsprings!!!!!11one

actually, the c6 pulls around a .93, and the evo 8 that Jansolo drives is capable of .95-.98 stock. and his is not stock.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/smilie_thumbsdown.gifAutomatic tranny in a sports carhttp://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/smilie_thumbsdown.gif

upon doing more research, the c6 pulls .92-.93ish, w/ the z51 package, its up to .99, but I found numerous sites stating equal skidpad pulls for the evo 8 as well.

I need some tires and take the g-tech out

want to elaborate on that bossman?

yeah...RX7s if they are done right are great cars. theyre lightweight and they can be very powerful, if tuned right could take a cobra any day

Sure, he's full of crap. The story is not true. The story is a fabrication. The story is a figment of his imagination. The story is a fairytale. The story is not real.

ORIGINAL: Bossman

Sure, he's full of crap. The story is not true. The story is a fabrication. The story is a figment of his imagination. The story is a fairytale. The story is not real.


Please attempt to name 1 reason why I would lie? I wansnt even in the race, lucky for them;)

yeah man i think you're full of crap bossman, you never even said WHY it couldnt

now now...give him a chance to explain.

.............................Waiting very impatiently.........................

hmmm....perhaps a troll??

i would still take an 03-04 cobra over most cars in its price range. a few mods and a little suspension work and it is a great all around car.

great all around straight line upshifter

yeah..or you could NOT blend in with the rest of the mus-tards...(get it? mustards? anyway)...

ORIGINAL: Patrick

yeah..or you could NOT blend in with the rest of the mus-tards...(get it? mustards? anyway)...




in respone to me???

ORIGINAL: Patrick

yeah..or you could NOT blend in with the rest of the mus-tards...(get it? mustards? anyway)...





did you mean the mustakes?

mus-takes....that works too...

i meant in general...i just wouldnt have one....theyre fairly fast, but theyre boring...and i woudlnt want to be associated with the general population of the owners.

i agree. theyre no fun to drive and the general crowd who owns them are rich teenagers and 20 y/o's who bought it cuz they wanted a sports car but couldnt afford anything over 25k

I prefer Mustink when making fun of them personally =P
and i woudlnt want to be associated with the general population of the owners.
Bingo
great all around straight line upshifter
Considering thats what 90% of everyone in america cares about.... and Cmon... thats like making fun of a baseball player for sucking at rugby. The care was built for straight line. When you have to pick on something for the category it dominates I think youve lost the arguement.
theyre no fun to drive
Wtf? Arent you 14 or something? Uh mayby you should actually drive a car before you start talking about how fun it is to drive something.
the general crowd who owns them are rich teenagers and 20 y/o's who bought it cuz they wanted a sports car but couldnt afford anything over 25k
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you, are, FIRED! HA! HA! (Harvy Birdman reference)

I dont think driving in a straight line is fun and Ive driven dozens



Actually I drove a 380 HP NA one today, still, no thanks

let me whore another post on this site. gosh i'm such a slutty poster.

i think its funny that mustangs have created so much controversy and discussion on a civic forum. interesting.

and btw. dont know about ya'll but where i'm from the majority of people who drive mustangs are girls. the guys here drive trucks or hondas mostly, lotsa preludes, civics and a few s2000's. everyone of them a ricer i bet by this prestigious sites' high standards.

they are no more boring than every civic i see with the same exhaust, same body kit, same spoiler and same wheels.

if you think stangs are just meant for straight lines you havent riden in one with the right susp set up.

come on over and ill show you how a stang can handle with the proper goodies

ORIGINAL: green98lxsedan

come on over and ill show you how a stang can handle with the proper goodies




Where you from? Ill come show you how a sports car is suppose to handle.

BTW, that mustang I drove was set up with a high reving 289 (I think on the 289 part) and all independent suspnsion made for local Infineon (sp??)

i will agree with the majority of mustang drivers being douchebags...im sure there are some outliers, but the morons at the track whether running 11 flat or 15 flat all have th same mentallity.."if its not a mustang, it doesnt belong on a track"..mustang owners are always loud mouth, cocky, and ussually smaller guys...typically tired of being made fun of, so to bolster their ego, they buy a car with a big engine...my lowly 6 cylinder nonner turned better skidpad numbers than the GT of the same year (02)...

here is an example of your typical mustang owner...from about a year ago...

so i was out taking care of some business after work tonight..while im out, i pull up behind this blonde in a black 6 cyl stang ragtop, 2001+. i could see her face in the mirror, and she looked cute. so first chance i got, i pulled along side of her..system booming. she glanced over, and looked away and i "subtley" turned my radio down, and she revs the engine, looks over at me, and shakes her head!! so i rev back. we were not the first cars in line, so when the light changed, we moved forward side by side in traffic, and a few times she would drop back a bit, then jump on it, which i did not do back. at the next light, she looks over and says "this is a muscle car...not a dodge". i didnt know what to say, other than a hearty FU. i was already planning on when id embarrass her, and when we started to move again, she turned right, so i cut out the car behind her and followed her, noticing she was headed toward the interstate.

now, this was NO WHERE in the direction of where i needed to be going, but at this point, i was so pissed, i had to humble this snotty like girl. well, sure enough, onto the highway she goes, and with a car in front of her, she cuts across the merging birm and speeds up, as do i. we get away from traffic and i pull along side of her, effortlessly still in 2nd gear. shiftin to third i ran along side her for a moment, and i wanted her to look over, but she wouldnt so at about 110, i got ahead of her, and began to slow down, motioning for her to pass me, and as she did, i puled back into 3rd, never letting her get past me, but when she got along side, before i shifted i held my bright red evernham racing hat up with the huge dodge logo on the front. she flipped me off, and i pulled away. this ended me up about 20 miles in the opposite direction from where i wanted to be. i got off the next exit once id gotten so far from her she obviously wasnt trying.

this is where it gets good....

i see her flying down the off ramp and pulls onto the shoulder passing 4 or 5 cars behind me, pulling to my left side and she says "its still a piece of sh!t", and she spits on my car. i was so mad, i unhooked my harness ad reached for the door handle when the car behind me turned his lights and siren on..it was an unmarked local cop, and she was driving on the shoulder, which there is a sign specificaly saying is illegal. as the cop got out and walked to her car, the light changed, and i pulled up, beeping and blowing a kiss..pulling away...


what kind of girl SPITS??!?

one who drives a blue oval..thats who... :D

sucks that you guys seem to meet all the bad stang guys. there are plenty of good ones out there.

dont forget the bad stang girls.

Wow i find this funny most of the time i find that it is guys with Honda's reving at me when i pull up to lights thats how it is around my area. The bad part is i don't street race anymore becasue of a incident a few years ago. They actually cracked down on all the street racers in the last few weeks around here because they have caused a few accidents. But anyway i still hold strong to the point that mustangs do handle well in corners if set up properly. my suspension is full adjustable where i can set pinion angle and adjust for wheel base within an inch or so. The front suspension is going to be full upgraded this winter to be fully adjustable also. along with shocks and struts that have adjustable valving for bound and re-bound.

ORIGINAL: green98lxsedan

sucks that you guys seem to meet all the bad stang guys.


I am actually very good friends with several. I play poker with them weekly. Their cars are pretty crazy, one of them is street driven 10s and looking to 9s. Im just unimpressed with the mustang as a sports car.

I am unimpressed with mustangs as a whole...i know there are Very fast mustangs, but for the most part, they are owned by guys who want to tfeel big, but they dont know about cars...so they buy a mustang, because they can open a jegs catalog and points to the mustang section and buy performance parts without having ANY idea what that part does, and why.