if you were to go with a turbo, what parts would be pointless to get? cuz ive heard some chargers replace air intakes? and whats better, turbo or super?

im not even goint to start up another supervs turbo battle:D

But if you do decide to go the FI route it depends....

Roots style blower you can most of the time use the same intake... and the header will be normal.

A centrifugal type s/c or a turbo: you will need a different intake and header.

We could argue forever about turbo vs super with no winner so if you go turbo

Dont buy an intake or a header. The turbo kit will replace both of those. Doubt you were going as far as high comp pistons and or high comp head gasket but thos would also be a bad idea





turbos better,


jk

The best you can buy is an electric turbo by streetfreakz........lol... JUST KIDDING!
I couldn't resist!

haha yea i kinda figured on that one :D thanx for the input tho

if ur going to go turbo look into greddy.......u can buy a kit that literaly comes with everything u need. If u are serious about getting boosted dont bother wasting ur money on stuff just yet........save for the turbo kit.......it should get u where u want to be.

well ive seen some kits that come with almost everything except intercoolers, which are another 500 or so at least

hello, street freakz here. i was reading this forum and noticed were certain people had a laugh about my electric turbo. is there a problem? maybe we can discuss this further either by this forum, my email-walker4617@sbcglobal.net or you could call me with your remarks@ 937-308-3652.

Hmm, interesting... go on streetfreakz. I really would like to se you side of the story! Welcome BTW.

Like Pete said, Greddy makes really good complete kits, and they arent too terribly expensive considering the amount of stuff you get.

Personally, Im a fan of turbochargers over supers. Turbo just sounds so much fast (just kidding).

How much boost are you looking to run?

I like turbos because whenever you want, you can turn the boost up or down (if you have a boost controller). This is good b/c if you have your daily driver doing double duty, you can turn the boost down to save gas when you are commuting and turn the boost up when its time to race.

im interested in hearing this side of the story...i dont think anyone has ever come here defending one of those things. id appriciate dyno sheets if you claim a certain amount of added HP.

you can see the dyno's at www.streetfreakzperformance.com i was just wondering what brought up the laughter about our electric turbo?

I think the reason for the laughter was because they/I dont think your electric turbo works.

I just googled street freakz performance, and the first link I got was pretty funny. Those wizards of nos guys can be pretty harsh, but a lot of the stuff they say makes sense.
Personally, I dont see your product giving THAT much of a horsepower gain (54 horses), but whatever. If you can sell salt to a snail...

Heres the Wizards of Nos link if anyone wants to know what Im talking about
http://www.noswizard.com/bboard/viewtopic.php?p=4745&sid=ab8190ced1ac1ca91215285e0bd3b304
kinda long, but interesting.

those boys at wizards of nos never got a unit, because they sent me a personal email saying that they wouldn't admit to it if it did work. it's a shame that people think this way. the unit will be at sema 06. and there are a couple of mags that are going to be doing articles on it too. it does work, nomatter what you may think about it, and all the people at sema will know it too. it's coming to the market, so get used to it. but i will waste nomore time here. i can see already that this will be another waste of time, but then again most chat forums are.

What magazines do you have lined up to test it? I have a feeling if you got Honda Tuning to okay it, then youd make believers out of everyone here.

Yeah...if HondaTuning did a writeup on it, we MIGHT believe that it's worth it

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

those boys at wizards of nos never got a unit, because they sent me a personal email saying that they wouldn't admit to it if it did work. it's a shame that people think this way. the unit will be at sema 06. and there are a couple of mags that are going to be doing articles on it too. it does work, nomatter what you may think about it, and all the people at sema will know it too. it's coming to the market, so get used to it. but i will waste nomore time here. i can see already that this will be another waste of time, but then again most chat forums are.
wow. great way to get your company a reputation. come on our quiet little forum and insult us and it. if your turbo works, and you really believe in it, send me one, and ill put it on my B18c1, and get it dynoed. if it makes gains OR losses, i will post the dyno sheets here and tell everyone my honest opinion. if you can impress me, i will gladly admit that i underestimated it. but i know how easy dyno sheets are to skew (not that im accusing you, but i know its prevelent in this industry, so i take them all with a grain of salt) but im also pretty well trusted on this forum, so if i say its good, most of the people here will take my word for it. oh, and if you wanted my to independently test it on other apps, i could. Is it universal? i havent bothered to look at your site. i would gladly test it on other cars if you would be willing to work out paying partial on dyno time. then if you wanted, i will send it back to you. thats how you gain respect in a business atmosphere, by standing whole-heartedly behind your product, not by insulting your potential customers. and with as much as i know the people on here, if your last comment here is that little parting shot you made, you will never sell a unit to any of our members

If its good enough for Sacs, then its more than good enough for me. Streefreak, if you send him one, youre probably guaranteed some sales.

Yea, if I was a girl Id have sacs baby! Just kidding... seriously. But I agree.

well, i must say that i'm highly impresed with the open minds here. but no, i'm not looking to sell your people any of the units. i was wanting to know, why the unit was being laughed at? and no, the units are not universal. they will not work on any of the following; fords,mazdas,audis,tbi systems,2000-2005 cavaliers and sunfires, or carburated systems. the 2 mags that have agreed to any testing were speed,style,and sound magazine, and import tuner. there is a full page add being released in speed,style,and sound magazine the 13th of this month. but as i said before, i have no intensions on selling you anything, i was only wanting to know why it was being laughed at.

Probable causes of poor product reception:

1) Heavy skepticism (myself included), based on the fact that we're talking about energy transfer within a closed loop, i.e. using engine power to make engine power. It sounds fine in theory, sure, but when it's actually on paper, the "all gain, no pain" theory begins to break down. With a real turbocharger, waste energy is used to generate power, but with a supercharger or electric fan of any kind, that energy is coming straight off the crank in the form of more alternator or blower resistance.

2) To a lesser extent: I'm sure all that crap on eBay isn't helping your reputation.

3) Reliability issues. Enough said.

But if you sent someone as widely respected as sacs one and he tested it and gave it a good rep, you would be guaranteed sales. Period. That's how you start a business.

+1^ This forum is HUGE. THere a little over 6800 of potential clients in this database. This forum is also widely respected by others in the Honda world. If sacs proved that it was worht a damn, you gotta buyer out of me until I got th real deal.

please enlighten me on the definition of. 'the real deal'

hell i know if sacs gave a good review then you could mark me up for one. :D but from your last posts, speedfreak, it seems to me that you are backing down from our proposition?

please respond, as I would love to hear what you have to say to sacs and his proposition.

BTW, IDK about the first mag, but Import Tuner is ok.... I wish it was Honda Tuning though [&:]

edit-ALSO- in the Wizards of NOS post you say that the elctric turbo runs at around 1.7 or 2 PSI and you're claiming about a 50 horse gain?! turbos and supers run that run at about 5 or 6 PSI only see about a 50 horse gain... does this seem weird to anyone else? seems to me that you're claiming this thing to be more efficient than a turbo or s/c? maybe I'm wrong, if so please point out my wrongness(lol @ word wrongness) :)

edit again- never mind. i see that you tell that a buick only saw 28 ponies... how much would one of these cost for a 96-00 civic SOHC?I would hope i wouldn't have to use the "dual setup"....:D

wow, were to start? i usually don't care for debates on chat forums, they always turn ugly. as far as being more efficient than some superchargers or turbo's goes? yes they are. we had one of these 'chat forums' do a test on a 96 integra, and compare it to the jackson supercharger for the same vehicle. i was told by one of the members by personal e-mail, that the jackson supercharger called for a 32hp gain, and when they tried the e-turbo they got 31hp. would they admit to this? NO!! they wouldn't. i contacted paxton and vortec personally on this devise, their engineers told me over the phone, that they will not do a test on the product. why? because after looking at the dyno results, they called it a DIRECT THREAT. not to the bigger psi systems, but the smaller psi units. and most people can afford the smaller systems easier. tuner performance reports magazine agreed to do a comparison test between all of the ebay, eram systems, and my unit. all declined but me. eram declined 6 times. would i let a magazine compare my unit to a supercharger of 6psi or less? you bet your ass i would. we have sent out over 75 units to different small companies and chat forums. all have claimed that the units work to what we claim, but they will not openly admit to it. everytime the word electric turbo is mentioned, people are wizzing their pants to try it out, but the same comes out all the time, they will not admit to it. as far as the civic goes, no you will not need the twin setup, it is always better to have the twins, especially from the dyno we got from the twin setup on the cavalier. the civic you were refering to will get between36-40hp with the single unit. our new site has not been put up yet, but we are now offering a 30day money back guarrantee, and a minimum of 20hp with a single unit or your money back. as far as the demo goes? i will have to decline, were afraid that we will get the same response as the others.

We are a completly differnt forum. It is white and blue so people can 'see the light'

But if you got a gaurentee, I just might take you up on it and be the damn guinea pig.

what would be the test car?

'00 Civic Dx D16y7 I/E . People know me on here fairly well also. I would honestly admit it too. I dont like lying anyway. When people prove me wrong, I exploit the fact that I was proved wrong.

I will gladly take you electric turbo for a spin. If what you say is true, I will make sure of it that you sell a few of em off this forum.


Will it work off a stock battery? And can I set it to work with my throttle?

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

as far as being more efficient than some superchargers or turbo's goes? yes they are. we had one of these 'chat forums' do a test on a 96 integra, and compare it to the jackson supercharger for the same vehicle. i was told by one of the members by personal e-mail, that the jackson supercharger called for a 32hp gain, and when they tried the e-turbo they got 31hp. would they admit to this? NO!! they wouldn't. i contacted paxton and vortec personally on this devise, their engineers told me over the phone, that they will not do a test on the product. why? because after looking at the dyno results, they called it a DIRECT THREAT.

This says it could be more efficient than some superchargers some of the time, but I'd like to see any evidence you can come up with demonstrating the fact that it's more efficient than a real turbo.

As stated before: A true turbo is the only [mainstream] forced induction system that generates engine power from waste energy. Electric fans and superchargers are both taking power right off the crank.

Also, turbos easily pull 150,000+ rpms consistently, which accounts for their superior air mass numbers (when compared to electric fans). Does your fan run at these speeds? And please don't tell me this has nothing to do with anything. PSI is one thing, but without moving a good solid number of CFM, you might as well be blowing into your intake; I can get generate 12 psi with my mouth if that's any indication of what numbers mean.

More efficient than a turbo? No. More cost-effective (assuming you're running miniscule levels of boost)? Sure. But I'd still need some real proof and a good word from someone I could trust.

yes you can use the stock battery, if you wanted to activate this at full throttle or partial throttle you can. we always activated at idle for the dyno's.

are the electric turbo's more effecient than a common exhaust driven turbo? you better believe it they are. i'm kinda confused that this question was even asked. with the common turbo, you have intercoolers-oil coolant lines-and even special heat wraps. all of this because of the high heat factors. lets not forget the cost of installation, or if there are certain items that have to be special made for one to fit, and this always happens. turbo's are not made for many applications as well. lets not forget turbo lag, turbo's will not kick in until around 3,500 rpm's, and then the full effect is not given until the vehicle is at max rpm's. there are many downfalls to turbochargers. but if this is what people would want, then i have no problem with this. the electric turbo does in a way feed of off some wasted energy. most vehicles have a charging system of 14.7 volts, but only use 12 of them. were does the wasted energy go? thats why your vehicle has ground straps, if you remove the ground straps you will burn up the starter in your vehicle every time. the electric turbo will feed of off this wasted 2 volts, this helps in drawing less of off the battery. so no, the electric turbo cannot compare to the higher psi turbo's. but they are and always will be more efficient than one.

Those two volts aren't wasted. In fact they are very important, without those two volts your battery would not get charged. The battery runs on 12 volts but it takes 14 volts to put energy back into the battery because the energy has to be forced back into the batter (its not that technical, but you get the picture).

hmmmm, 2 volts to charge the battery.

Hey, streetfreakz, what material is the fan in your unit made of?

we were using an aluminum fan at first, but they started imploding. we had to start making them from a mild steel. i can contact our manufacturer of the fans to see what kind of steel their using if you like. their 3.125' dia. with 22 blades that have a 45 degree pitch.

im skeptical. i really have nothing to say other than whats already been said...i'll believe it when i see it.

understood, i believe that everybody is skeptical. if there is an address to send the unit too, and you want to send it to my e-mail address, it's walker4617@sbcglobal.net

Thanks for answering that...if someone reputable on this forum gets one and says that it's worth it, you've got one more customer...

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

hmmmm, 2 volts to charge the battery.


No it takes 14v to charge a battery. You said that the 2 volts out for the 14 that the alternator made were wasted b/c the car only needs 12. This is not true because without 14v, the battery would not be able to be charged. If the alternator produced 12v instead of 14 the battery would never charge.

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

yes you can use the stock battery, if you wanted to activate this at full throttle or partial throttle you can. we always activated at idle for the dyno's.



I know, thats why I plan to rig it on the throttle for activating. If the fan runs while in idle it will cause the car to stall.

the fan material is #1018 cold drawn steel

no, it will not cause the car to stall at idle on the honda's.

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz
they will not work on any of the following; fords,mazdas,audis,tbi systems,2000-2005 cavaliers and sunfires, or carburated systems.


Well at least he admitted that they don't work, mighta forgot about a few though.

it has nothing to do with admiting to something. it has to do with testing. people who sell bildge pumps, do not test on vehicles. they only do the scam sell method.

^ serisouly, though I am going to volunteer on this one. I have always been curious. If he says its comparable (which I personally doubt) to a Jackson racing super charger, then peachy. Im looking for significant power increases. Im also going to get one of those dash things where I can stick like 2" guages on each side. One will be bost so I can find out how much pound-age its putting out and one for the battery. Im gong to make something (unless somebody knows where I can get one) for the throttle, so it will activate the 'turbo' around 75% throttle.

And Sacs, if I get it, I will send it to you after Im done for you to test if you would like.

Now onto prices. What do they cost? Could I get a great discount considering you will get alot of sales off here if it works? You potnetially have 6800 odd people ordering these things if deemed worth the $

What is the life span of the blower? How much power does the motor have?

Does it make any noise?

I will give my honest opinions too.

What was the CFM again?

I think you're going to have to man up and let sacs, remmy or some other respected member on this forum try one out if you ever want to win this battle, dude.

I just found a 667 cfm blower. It can be easily modified to use in my car. I am waiting on a quote out of curiosity. I saw others with 400+ cfm going between $100-$300




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Oh yea, I can get any marine part wholesale. If I stumble across one that has nore than 350 cfm, im gonna get it.

Remmy, I can reassure you that a marine unit will definitly not work and just be a restriction...and EVEN IF you spin it fast enough to give you any gains you WILL destroy the unit. My question to streetfreakz actually had some ground behind it. I work with high volume fans and other such equipment and I can tell you that either aluminum or plastic fans in the marine units will desintegrate at such RPM where you would theoretically see a gain. Not so much from the speed, but from the fact that they vobble a lot (think of an LS-VTEC). In order for the unit to be reliable and actually work the blades/shaft/bearings must be made with very little tolerances... I still don't think that this unit is worth the money, but using a marine unit will definitly just hurt performance...

I disagree. I dont see why it would be any different if a a marine blower can do 350+ cfm. But after all, I return the friggin thing if it absolutley crummy.

It's your money...

i like the pic of the little blower you put up. there are alot of problems with that unit, not fast enough, very low rpm range. no over heating protection, it's made from mono urethane plastic with a heat range of 175 degrees tops, no protection on the inlet side from large debrit or personal injury protection, the motor cannot be rebuilt unless it's completely torn down, and the fan is plastic, and theres no adapter on the front for your filter or inlet tube. it also has no warranty, money back guarranty, or any hp gain guarrantee. so by all means get one. oh and by the way, there are NO bildge pumps over 250cfm. as for the question on my units cfm, it's 803. and go ahead and test for the psi with my unit, you will be disappointed, no more than 2psi max. and yes, please do the comparison between the jackson supercharger 6psi and under with my unit. lets say the 6psi system beats it by 25hp, so what. just add a second e-turbo and beat it. and it will still be over $1500 CHEAPER. go ahead, we have nothing to hide, we know they work, and they have been dyno proven to work. so go ahead and talk all the smack you want to. i will love to prove you wrong. anytime anywere. BRING IT ON!!

i will love to prove you wrong. anytime anywere. BRING IT ON!!
yet you turned down my proposal? and to think, i could have not only recommended it, but carried it in my product line. too bad for you. how much is your unit BTW? i couldnt find a website of your product in a quick google search.

i have turned down no proposals at anytime. i have said numerous times, put up the address for shipping, or contact me by my personal e-mail for a unit. i'm sorry sir, but your the one who has turned me down.

as far as the demo goes? i will have to decline, were afraid that we will get the same response as the others.hmmm. fear is a loathsome foe in the world of business.

Btw, I dont think the fan is made of plastic.

http://www.spal.it/automotive/english/oem_centrifughi.htm

I pmed you streetfreakz

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

are the electric turbo's more effecient than a common exhaust driven turbo? you better believe it they are. i'm kinda confused that this question was even asked. with the common turbo, you have intercoolers-oil coolant lines-and even special heat wraps. all of this because of the high heat factors. lets not forget the cost of installation, or if there are certain items that have to be special made for one to fit, and this always happens. turbo's are not made for many applications as well.

...the electric turbo does in a way feed of off some wasted energy. most vehicles have a charging system of 14.7 volts, but only use 12 of them. were does the wasted energy go? thats why your vehicle has ground straps


Unfortunately for you, none of this common turbo trash talk has ANYTHING to do with efficiency. It's all just the same old stuff people point out when they're trying to convince inexperienced car owners why turbochargers are a bad idea.

I'd like to know what kind of revs your electric fan runs at to make 800+ CFM. And you say it uses 2 volts??? Not happening. In order to power the fan, your alternator is going to be working harder, generating more resistance, and subsequently taking that power directly off the crank.

You have fallen prey to a common misconception about the way cars work. In actuality, there is no such thing as wasted electrical energy in a car's electrical system. If the system was powered by a GENERATOR, there would be, but the whole point of the alternator is it has varying degrees of output, based on the amount of current being drawn by the car. You lose.

lets not forget turbo lag, turbo's will not kick in until around 3,500 rpm's, and then the full effect is not given until the vehicle is at max rpm's.

Once again, uneducated trash talk. First of all, you wouldn't be running a T-68 on a stock Civic, so there's no reason your turbo lag would be this bad unless you don't know how to drive. A T-25, T-28, FP Big28, or even a T3/T04 with respectable trim will spool fully no higher than 3,100 rpm, and will be making positive displacement before that speed.

And what you call the "full effect" is an utterly pointless statement. The concept of wastegates is obviously lost on you. If you keep revving your engine higher and higher, yes you would continue to get bigger and bigger boost numbers, but the the wastegate is there to LIMIT the amount of boost that can be generated by bypassing the turbine once the desired boost pressure is acheived (i.e. around 3,000 rpm). You lose again.


Once again, you have completely failed to provide any logical, theoretical, or actual proof of any of these claims you make.

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

are the electric turbo's more effecient than a common exhaust driven turbo? you better believe it they are. i'm kinda confused that this question was even asked. with the common turbo, you have intercoolers-oil coolant lines-and even special heat wraps. all of this because of the high heat factors. lets not forget the cost of installation, or if there are certain items that have to be special made for one to fit, and this always happens. turbo's are not made for many applications as well. lets not forget turbo lag, turbo's will not kick in until around 3,500 rpm's, and then the full effect is not given until the vehicle is at max rpm's. there are many downfalls to turbochargers. but if this is what people would want, then i have no problem with this. the electric turbo does in a way feed of off some wasted energy. most vehicles have a charging system of 14.7 volts, but only use 12 of them. were does the wasted energy go? thats why your vehicle has ground straps, if you remove the ground straps you will burn up the starter in your vehicle every time. the electric turbo will feed of off this wasted 2 volts, this helps in drawing less of off the battery. so no, the electric turbo cannot compare to the higher psi turbo's. but they are and always will be more efficient than one.


How is that more efficient than a turbo? The electric one runs off of 2 volts taken from the the electrical system. That's an incredibly miniscule amount of wasted energy compared to the amount of wasted energy that a turbo runs off of from wasted exhaust gasses. All of the intercoolers, oil coolant lines, heat wraps aren't necessary if you are running boost as low as that electric thing is producing. They are used to make it even more efficient than it already is. As for installation cost, in my case, free. And to say that turbo's are not made for many applications is just arrogant. You can find a prefabbed turbo kit for just about any car, certainly for more applications than you are providing. As for turbo lag, with the right application and tune, you can have full boost far under 3000rpm. And when you say "and then the full effect is not given until the vehicle is at max rpm's" that is completely wrong because you are at full boost whenever the turbo is spooling at the desired top speed, which usually occurs in the 2000-3500 rpm range depending on lag/tune/turbo size. It is a supercharger that does not reach full boost until max rpm. You seriously need to go read up on your turbo facts.

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

turbo's will not kick in until around 3,500 rpm's,



I am at 8lbs of boost by 3,500rpms. This electric fan is going to be more efficiant than my turbocharger? Im getting about 50 miles per gallon on the highway. I do not buy it.

ORIGINAL: sacicons

as far as the demo goes? i will have to decline, were afraid that we will get the same response as the others.hmmm. fear is a loathsome foe in the world of business.


ORIGINAL: remington870_20ga

Btw, I dont think the fan is made of plastic.

http://www.spal.it/automotive/english/oem_centrifughi.htm


ORIGINAL: Kappa22


ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

are the electric turbo's more effecient than a common exhaust driven turbo? you better believe it they are. i'm kinda confused that this question was even asked. with the common turbo, you have intercoolers-oil coolant lines-and even special heat wraps. all of this because of the high heat factors. lets not forget the cost of installation, or if there are certain items that have to be special made for one to fit, and this always happens. turbo's are not made for many applications as well.

...the electric turbo does in a way feed of off some wasted energy. most vehicles have a charging system of 14.7 volts, but only use 12 of them. were does the wasted energy go? thats why your vehicle has ground straps


Unfortunately for you, none of this common turbo trash talk has ANYTHING to do with efficiency. It's all just the same old stuff people point out when they're trying to convince inexperienced car owners why turbochargers are a bad idea.

I'd like to know what kind of revs your electric fan runs at to make 800+ CFM. And you say it uses 2 volts??? Not happening. In order to power the fan, your alternator is going to be working harder, generating more resistance, and subsequently taking that power directly off the crank.

You have fallen prey to a common misconception about the way cars work. In actuality, there is no such thing as wasted electrical energy in a car's electrical system. If the system was powered by a GENERATOR, there would be, but the whole point of the alternator is it has varying degrees of output, based on the amount of current being drawn by the car. You lose.

lets not forget turbo lag, turbo's will not kick in until around 3,500 rpm's, and then the full effect is not given until the vehicle is at max rpm's.

Once again, uneducated trash talk. First of all, you wouldn't be running a T-68 on a stock Civic, so there's no reason your turbo lag would be this bad unless you don't know how to drive. A T-25, T-28, FP Big28, or even a T3/T04 with respectable trim will spool fully no higher than 3,100 rpm, and will be making positive displacement before that speed.

And what you call the "full effect" is an utterly pointless statement. The concept of wastegates is obviously lost on you. If you keep revving your engine higher and higher, yes you would continue to get bigger and bigger boost numbers, but the the wastegate is there to LIMIT the amount of boost that can be generated by bypassing the turbine once the desired boost pressure is acheived (i.e. around 3,000 rpm). You lose again.


Once again, you have completely failed to provide any logical, theoretical, or actual proof of any of these claims you make.



ORIGINAL: XCM828

ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

are the electric turbo's more effecient than a common exhaust driven turbo? you better believe it they are. i'm kinda confused that this question was even asked. with the common turbo, you have intercoolers-oil coolant lines-and even special heat wraps. all of this because of the high heat factors. lets not forget the cost of installation, or if there are certain items that have to be special made for one to fit, and this always happens. turbo's are not made for many applications as well. lets not forget turbo lag, turbo's will not kick in until around 3,500 rpm's, and then the full effect is not given until the vehicle is at max rpm's. there are many downfalls to turbochargers. but if this is what people would want, then i have no problem with this. the electric turbo does in a way feed of off some wasted energy. most vehicles have a charging system of 14.7 volts, but only use 12 of them. were does the wasted energy go? thats why your vehicle has ground straps, if you remove the ground straps you will burn up the starter in your vehicle every time. the electric turbo will feed of off this wasted 2 volts, this helps in drawing less of off the battery. so no, the electric turbo cannot compare to the higher psi turbo's. but they are and always will be more efficient than one.


How is that more efficient than a turbo? The electric one runs off of 2 volts taken from the the electrical system. That's an incredibly miniscule amount of wasted energy compared to the amount of wasted energy that a turbo runs off of from wasted exhaust gasses. All of the intercoolers, oil coolant lines, heat wraps aren't necessary if you are running boost as low as that electric thing is producing. They are used to make it even more efficient than it already is. As for installation cost, in my case, free. And to say that turbo's are not made for many applications is just arrogant. You can find a prefabbed turbo kit for just about any car, certainly for more applications than you are providing. As for turbo lag, with the right application and tune, you can have full boost far under 3000rpm. And when you say "and then the full effect is not given until the vehicle is at max rpm's" that is completely wrong because you are at full boost whenever the turbo is spooling at the desired top speed, which usually occurs in the 2000-3500 rpm range depending on lag/tune/turbo size. It is a supercharger that does not reach full boost until max rpm. You seriously need to go read up on your turbo facts.



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ORIGINAL: streetfreakz

turbo's will not kick in until around 3,500 rpm's,



I am at 8lbs of boost by 3,500rpms. This electric fan is going to be more efficiant than my turbocharger? Im getting about 50 miles per gallon on the highway. I do not buy it.


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Nice work boys. Team work is a great thing

Geez, it isnt fair. Has anybody given this guy their address so he can send it yet? Id really like someone here to test it.

I sent him a PM. I actually REALLY wanting to test this. I am willing to pay it too, at least a discounted price for what it is being sold for. Once Im done with it, Ill send it to the sunshine state for sacs to test it. And then accordingly, that is if it actualy is the sweetenes, he will send it back to me.



Seriously though. Whatever streetfreak says and swears by, hes innocent until proven guilty. Im gonna give him a shot.

wow! team work is great isn't it? as i said before , all chat forums are the same old crap. it's been fun gents later. there are no open minded people here.

So you're saying you will not send a unit to either sacs or remington? AND You're saying that we're not open minded?? We're just asking for real world proof and we don't have a habit of believeing everything stated on the internet. Let one of our guys test it and expect to have honest feedback...but it doesn't look like you want that

For the record, nothing I said was intended to be inflammatory or directly insulting. I am merely continuing to call your claims into question, being as they are still without any good solid evidence, and clearing up a few things that you obviously misunderstand. I would like to continue to discuss your product, so my above questions still stand.

i wonder if his product is made to resemble a turbo....in the shape that is..........

I already said im ready to buy. Im just waiting for a response.

hey remington870. thanks for the personals, you seem to be the only open minded person here. please write to me at my e-mail address listed, as i have no further plans to visit this forum. if you still have the interest? walker4617@sbcglobal.net

Please stop taking cheap shots at those of us who are actually here for a discussion.

Ok, I had a great conversation with Edward (stretfreakz) and he will be setting me up with his e-turbo. I will stand beside the product with no problem, I am going to take his word for it and pay for it if it comes through with no problem. I will stand behind it if it shows significant gains for what it is and costs. Im mainly going to be looking at low end power through the RPM band 9up until about 3500 RPM). Like I told Edward, Im looking for strictly significant gains... not drag numbers.

Sounds fair to me.

ORIGINAL: Kappa22

Please stop taking cheap shots at those of us who are actually here for a discussion.


you **** with one of us... you **** with the rest of us.

way to be remmy

Want the g-tech for monitoring gains?

he said he didnt care about QM times...more like HP and gians in the feel of the car

ORIGINAL: Kolhoznik

Want the g-tech for monitoring gains?


You got a g-tech?

i think theres like an unofficial HCF gtech unit. its snipers...but then it went to pete and then kolhoznik got it. yeah. thats my story.

ORIGINAL: remington870_20ga


ORIGINAL: Kolhoznik

Want the g-tech for monitoring gains?


You got a g-tech?


forum's traveling unit...since I'm not putting a turbo on until it gets warmer...you can have it to do the before and after QT, 0-60, and HP

This should be interesting. Please take lots of pics/videos.

Yes, I will even DIY it lol.

<sigh> here is an email I got from Street Freakz, [&:]


"hello, ed walker from street freakz performance here. just wanted to let you know,
that we will not be sending a demo unit of the electric turbo. due to the lack of
interest in the publics eye on these units, eventhough they do work. we have decided
to stop making them. thank you for your interest in having one tested. we appolgize
for any inconvenience this may have caused you. maybe someday people will get their
heads out of the clouds and realize we had one that actually worked."

[:@]

I didn't see that coming AT ALL. ;)

I did

^ maybe you can get them to ship you a free sarcasm detector. :D

ummm...no need for one...I have a sarcasm on/off button...but I wasn't sarcastic. It really kinda was coming...

ORIGINAL: Kolhoznik

ummm...no need for one...I have a sarcasm on/off button...but I wasn't sarcastic. It really kinda was coming...


Indeed. :DNo one really likes to have their product put to shame in a real-world test. It's much easier just to back out.

I think I was either not fully awake or was a little hungover...mxs, I do need a sarcasm detector:-D

ORIGINAL: Kolhoznik

mxs, I do need a sarcasm detector:-D


I have one. I made it myself. It really does work, despite what everyone else says. I'd be willing to send it to you, just so you can try it out.


:D

:D:D

ummm....can you fax it to me?:-D

Yea, it was kinda like wtf. He sgot a website and everything and suddenly not doing anything.

How much is the thing. its hard to beleive that it makes 53hp. its a fan that sucks instead of blows or maybe it does blow.:D sorry im a little late in conversation im talking about the E-turbo.

did you ever send money to this guy Rem?