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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/21/2005 11:23:29 PM

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Agreed

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/21/2005 11:32:40 PM

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WTF are you guys talking about, first we are trying to hook him up with a fast daily driver then it's a 10 second car. Your not going to have a daily driven 10 second honda civic and have it be worth while. have you guys ever rode in a 12 second civic? At 12 seconds they tend to be a big handfull on the street and walking the line of being daily material. A 10 second civic has no place on the street simple as that.

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/21/2005 11:53:26 PM

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Regardless of 11 sec car or 13.5 sec car, You still can't do a fully built d series for 2k. That's all I'm saying. If he wants to boost 5lbs and that's it, then yeah, you don't even HAVE to build it, but to build a solid d series for 2k is just not possible.

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/22/2005 1:05:36 AM

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Thank you Nail I3unny, thank you 97civicturbo, thank you z6 FoRiLLa. I'm glad other people are beginning to chime in here. I was starting to feel kinda bad about proving my point.

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You must not have any kind of good source for parts. Around here you can get a D series block for around $50 to $75. You dont need a Fuel Rail and your fuel management price is way to much. Injectors also can be had for far less than $250. It takes research and aligning your self with the right people man which I have done a reasonable job or doing nothing out of this world or anything and I can still cut many of them prices in half.

Ok, if your parts are so much cheaper than everyone else's, why don't you hook the man up with some parts already? I hate to break it to you, but you're really skimping out where it's going to count. You may be able to do a $2,000 build on a D-series, but it's sure as hell not touching even high 11s, and it's not going to hold up very well if it does.

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But if it is going to be on the street who needs a un-controllable 600hp civic, a eg hatch at that. Potential is overrated if you dont use it. 500 and under hp goes to the D anything over I'd think about swapping(but not a B series)

Ok, that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. "Anything under 500 hp goes to the D"? That is just pure ignorance. The bottom line is that powerful B's are cheaper than powerful D's, both in terms of parts AND in how much you shell out tuning and maintaining them.

You're saying he needs 600 hp to hit 10s? Bulls**t. In fact, even a 400 hp B-series is going to respond 3 times as well as a 400 hp D-series for street driving. And just so we're clear here, he IS talking about building a 10-11 second Civic that is friendly on the streets... and THAT is all B-series territory.

I don't care how you slice it. This "$2,000 Miracle Motor" is not getting you into the 11s... or even the low 12s, unless you cut the body out and turn it into a tube chassis.

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A 10 second civic has no place on the street simple as that.

Who the hell are you to say that?

I'm sorry md, but just because you say it can't be done doesn't mean s**t. I've driven a mid-11 second 4G hatch that I personally swapped an S2000 drivetrain into on the street, and it's just about the most fun you can have with your pants on. You're really arguing yourself into a corner, and it doesn't sound like you've had a whole lot of experience building engines, working on cars, or even driving for that matter.

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/22/2005 1:06:28 AM

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http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Scat-Connecting-Rods-Honda-Civic-all-D16-engines_W0QQitemZ8001982033QQcategoryZ33623QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$270

http://cgi.ebay.com/TURBO-PISTONS-CIVIC-D16-SOHC-WITH-RINGS-NEW-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ8001079596QQcategoryZ33623QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$170

http://cgi.ebay.com/CROWER-HONDA-D16-VTEC-SOHC-TURBO-CAMSHAFT-CIVIC-STAGE-2_W0QQitemZ8002220224QQcategoryZ33614QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$235

I know locally a totally dis-assembled head can get hot tanked, ported & polished, plus decked if needed for like $200 not including the head itself

http://cgi.ebay.com/Race-Springs-and-Titanium-Retainers-Honda-D16Z-Y8-D17_W0QQitemZ8001843763QQcategoryZ33621QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$255

That is $930 for the bottom end do you want me to go any further?

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/22/2005 1:07:58 AM

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We already mentioned eBay...

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/22/2005 1:12:39 AM

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Also, you're neglecting some very important money: the actual WORK. I'm assuming, since he doesn't even own a Civic yet (no offense or anything, BMW), that he's not too familiar with engine rebuilds. But maybe you were planning to do that for him at no cost...

Now, you've got to show me a full head build, engine balancing & bluprinting, turbo setup, EMS, tuning, fuel system upgrades, dyno, etc. for just over $1,000... THAT will be a f**king miracle.

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/22/2005 1:27:10 AM

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Look I never called into question your know how on cars in general but I do call in your know how on the D series platform. You say you swapped a F20C into a 4G hatch bull ****ing **** prove it cause for one the car would need to be made into a RWD and if that was done the damn thing would be in a magazine and the F20 or f22c will not even mount to a fwd transmission cause for one there is not a bellhousing that allows for it and if there were is still would not matter cause the damn thing turns the wrong way meaning unlike other Honda engines the timing belt turns counter clockwise.

Hook yourself up on good prices but if you are going to be stupid and go pay $200 for a D series block wear it out cause that is plain retarded. I never said you need 600whp to get in the 10's either, I was just pointing out what the hell is the point that has all this room to make power if your not going to use it. I see stock d series blocks with stock d series head and junk yard $600 turbo setups slap low 13's daily driven on a regular basis and your going to try and say a built d series will not do 10's LMAO wake up.

Go ahead and hug up on my nuts a lil more simply cause I'm not a bandwagoner that would rather spend $2000 to $4000 to swap in a bigger engine to make up for the lack of ability to do with what I have.

This whole forum is full of mis-information besides a handfull of members. I joined it because another forum I am on came very close to all but killing it in hopes to help the mis-informed but it's people like you that spread bs like you know what the hell your talking about but in all reality you are the one that dont know **** and are no more than another keyboard racer that looks up and regurgitates crap that you have seen others say in the internet

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/22/2005 1:28:23 AM

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And I said a D series build I did not say a turbo setup and tunning re-read there spanky

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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/22/2005 1:38:06 AM

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First of all, those links were to crappy no name brand ****. Read the auction, those pistons are not even forged, either are the rods. Get a clue. I wouldn't put those parts in my car if you PAID for them. Secondly if you read your own post you DID say "boost the single cam" so eat that **** too. I like my D-series, but jesus you love them so blindly that you are completely sounding like an idiot trying to win an argument. Yes with crappy parts you might be able to build a D series, I could do it for $10: open up the block and throw some rocks with glue inside. Yippie now I build a ****ty D-series. Some of us like to use QUALITY parts to build a QUALITY motor to be RELIABLE and FAST. I have the parts in my garage, the motor is coming out of the shop this week, and have done my research, obviously you have not or you'd know that you would never want to put those pistons and rods inside a motor. Do you want to stick your foot in your mouth again???!!!

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