RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make?
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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/30/2005 12:50:45 AM
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Kappa22
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I think all of you guys need to get a grip on reality. Running 10's is not that easy. Doesn't matter what car you drive it's hard to do and takes a lot of patience, power, traction, and most important money. How many of you guys posting on here even run 14's? I think the only people who need to post to this thread are the ones who are actually running 10's.........which none of you are even close. It is **** like this that gives you honda guys a bad name. I have numerous friends who are into hondas and let me tell you guys, they have invested $20K+ in these cars to get them to come even close to mine.......when they are running. There is so much little stuff that adds up that you don't even think about. What makes you guys think you aren't going to blow up stuff? Every turbo honda I know hasn't had the engine last for more than 5K miles. YOU ARE GOING TO BREAK STUFF!! about 1/3 of the cost is going to be replacing broken parts. So you guys who are spitting out this recipe to "run 10's for $5K" need to take a step back and realize that you can't slap a couple parts on and run 10s because it just doesn't work that way. BTW I own a Honda that I drive everyday and love it.
I really don't have the time or the energy to give another lecture right now, so I'm just going to say f*ck you and your poor attitude. What gives you the right to walk in on something you really don't have a grasp of and start telling everyone around you their business?
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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 9/30/2005 1:39:28 AM
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wow, i posted that, then realized there were like 2 more pages i hadnt seen. i deleted myself...kind of a moot point by now.
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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 10/1/2005 3:40:36 PM
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Kappa22
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Well, you really don't know s**t about me for starters. I'm not even trying for 16s right now, because I DON'T HAVE A CAR. Yes, that's correct. I just sold my most recent one. But here's what I've been through so far (at age 19).
'90 HB, ZC swap - sold
'91 Si HB, LS swap, full internal build, chipped - sold
'93 Laser RS Turbo, 16G - sold
'89 HB, LS swap, S14 T28, LSD - sold
'96 GSX, fried the T-25 - sold
'90 HB, ZC swap, built, balanced, chipped - sold
'91 GSX, T3/T04 swap, VTA - sold
'95 S14 Silvia, R33 RB26DETT swap - sold
’90 Si HB, ZC swap, full build - sold
'90 HB, ZC swap - I was going to build it/boost it, but I sold it because I want to build a 240.
Not to mention having actually done more engine swaps, builds, and repairs than you can imagine (my dad's a self-employed mechanic, so I've been under the hood for a while...)
But no, I haven't ever had a Civic that I took into the 12s. The fastest Civic I owned was the '89 LS swapped one, which I put into the mid-low 13s before I sold it. My S14 ran low 12s on street tires and a stock engine, but that doesn't really count, does it?
Anyway, I really don't believe it takes as much as you say it does. I realize it takes a lot, but not if you think about the grand scheme of things (I'll use my LS HB as an example, since I was very familiar with it):
Car (stock interior, nothing stripped): $550
LS front clip: $985
B16 tranny: $300
S14 kit (stripped from a blown SR20 in a wrecking yard, with FMIC. Got a Walbro 255 too): $550
LSD: $780 (rebuilt)
Custom fab piping: $250
DSM 440s: $10 each
Other odds and ends: $200 (estimate)
ECU mapping, engine tuning: free (DIY)
Total (for a low-mid 13 car): $3,655
Doesn't look too bad to me...
Now I know those next 10ths would have cost significantly more (full internals, balancing, head work, new turbo/compressor setup) but after that, you reach another plateau where you can continue to improve your time with nothing more than careful tuning and adjustment instead of a s**tload more money.
It's not necessarily a question of how much money you want to spend, but how much time you want to commit to your project. Yeah, a 1G GSX takes hardly anything to hit 12s, and you can run 400 whp on stock internals every day, but in a lot of ways it's a lot more satisfying to be able to dust LS1's in a 17 year old, FWD hatchback.
So the bottom line here is don't tell people they're wasting money just because you don't like what they're doing as much as they do.
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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 10/1/2005 8:22:54 PM
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Marty
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Hey kappa **** you too :). Just for your guys info, I had a hatch that ran an 11.4 about a year ago and I have personal experience with this process. I had so much money tied up in that thing it was pathetic. My Laser was my daily driver for 3 years before I realized how easy it was to make fast. So no I am not talking out of my ass when I post stuff. Unlike kappa who probably is on the verge of breaking 16s lol. I was not starting a flame war, just clearing up some bullshit that was posted. It does take a lot of money to take a honda beyond 13s which I have already done. Whoever said it doesn't take much to take a honda CIVIC beyond 14's........so a motor swap isn't much?? I ran a 13.9 on my laser with a $50 dollar boost controller, that to me isnt much. So kappa please lecture me and tell me something I don't know .
Well it took me under $1000 to get to 14.3 in my 98 civic sedan and that would have been in the 13's if I did not wreck it. I am now working on getting a EF hatch and fully intend for it to be mid 13's with my current setup and low 13's to high 12's with about $700 to $1000 more.
< Message edited by md420 -- 10/1/2005 8:23:48 PM >
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RE: Fast eggs... how much $ to make? - 10/3/2005 5:09:50 AM
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hehe wow, I haven't logged for a few days and things go nuts in here. Much comedy poopy, I would bow to your infinite knowledge but unfortunately getting that low to the ground just doesn't suit me. Those comments don't help the person who started this thread in the first place poopy, if you don't have anything to help him, (besides calling all of us stupid) please hold your tongue. BTW poopoo, after kappa and I are done with my civic here in a month or so, I'll line up with your laser any day of the week.
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