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gwl 08-16-2007 03:16 PM

If you live in PA
 
I found some info on another site. Its from a CelicaGTS website, I have 83 CelicaGTS.

http://www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotfor...s/fs-recon.pdf

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If you live in PA, your rights to own and customize a car is in serious
jeopardy. In January, 2007, PENNDOT implemented a new "ENHANCED VEHICLE
INSPECTION PROGRAM" known as EVIP. This program was developed and enacted
without any public exposure, debate, input, or knowledge, just like the
insideous midnight pay raise that they tried to foist upon us. Please read
about what is going on, or you will soon be paying huge amounts in fines,
and new procedures.

Basically, PENNDOT began to develop a program to regulate and identify
problem cars, like reconstructions, flood damaged vehicles, etc.
Unfortunately, as wilth eveything that the state decides to stick its nose
into, it went awry, and some brilliant idiot decided to include any and all
cars that are not absolute, 100% stock vehicles.

Here's how it goes. Once the plan gets fully implemented, there will be a
network of special inspection stations across the state, and you will have
to take your custom, collector, hot rod, streetrod, etc (Or any vehicle
tagged by a state trooper as not being 100% stock) to one of these stations
for inspection. Inspections may range in price from $100 up to $500, but
that is still unknown. If your car passes inspection, you will be issued
(And have to pay for) a new title, and the specifics of your vehicle will
be entered into a data base.

Now here's where the fun comes in. A state trooper may pull you over at any
time, even if you are legally licensed, inspected, etc, and doing
absolutely nothing wrong. He will print out a list of specifics from the
data base, and compare them to your vehicle. If ANYTHING has changed on
your vehicle, he will fine you, declare that your title is now invalid, and
force you to go through the expensive inspection and retitling process all
over again, and you will not be able to use your car until you comply.
Listen to what I said. ANY CHANGE IN YOUR VEHICLE can result in a fine , and
costly reinspection and retitleing. So that means that if you change the
size of your tires, put on different wheels, add air shocks, add a lift
kit, add ground effects, ANYTHING, you are in trouble.

This will affect EVERY SINGLE CAR OWNER AND DRIVER IN THE STATE OF PA, NEW
CARS AND OLD. If you buy a brand new truck and put bigger tires on it, YOU
ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you buy a tuner and put ground effects
on it, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you buy a motorcycle and
put custom pipes on it, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you
replace the engine in your cars with another size engine, YOU ARE IN
VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you repaint your car, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF
THE NEW LAWS. If your car develops rust, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW
LAWS. If you put headers on your car, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS.
If you change the exhaust on your car, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you change the air induction system on your car, YOU ARE IN
VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. I repeat, anything that deviates from 100%
stock, or changes your vehicle in any way from the last time it was titled,
IS IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS.

This is a savage, and brutal attack on the drivers of PA, and especially
the car enthusiasts in this state.

What can you do? If you are concerned (You should be FURIOUS!), there are
things you can do. Groups are starting to form, but we need all of the help
and support we can get from all of you. This is a battle that will depend
on grassroots support. No one will fight for us or help us, unless we show
that we will not take this sort of thing lying down. Car clubs are starting
to rally, petitions are starting to be passed around. People are starting
to complain to their elected officials. I urge every driver in PA to sign
one of the petitions, and join one of the groups. Volunteer a little of
your time and service, or it will untimately cost you much more. Call,
email, or write to the state senators and representatives and tell them
that you want this stopped. The people that are implementing this insideous
program are appointed, but the politicians are elected, so tell them
straight out that you are so mad, that if they don't do anything about
this, you will not vote for them in the next election.

There has been almost no information about these new laws let out to the
public. The state is trying to get inspection stations to sign a contract
to become one of these enhanced inspection stations, so if you, or someone
you know owns an inspections station, tell them to refuse to join up. If
they read the fine print of the contract, they will find out that if they
accept the terms of the contract, THEY WILL AGREE TO ACCEPT LIABILITY FOR
ANY CURRENT AND FUTURE PROBLEMS RELATED TO OR CAUSED BY ANY
VEHICLE THEY INSPECT.

A friend of mine, and longtime car enthusiast, Bob Pisaneschi is locally
spearheading the fight against the new laws. He has already been in contact
with State Representative Dan Surra, who was totally unaware of the extent
of PENNDOTS plans. Mr Surra, a car enthusiast himself, was quick to promote
the creation of a MOTORSPORTS CAUCUS in the state legislature, to protect
the rights of car enthusiasts in the state of PA. Every driver in PA needs
to contact MR. Surra (814-375-4688), and give him your support, and tell
him that you don't agree with the new Enhanced Vehicle Inspection Program,
and its impact on drivers, car owners, and car enthusiasts in the state of
PA. Every driver should also contact his or her own State Representatives
and Senators, and voice these same concerns to them. If you would like Bob
Pisaneschi to talk to your group or car club, to learn the true extent and
potential impact of these new laws, and to see how you can help, PM me, and
I will put you in touch with him.

Please, I urge every driver and car owner in PA, and especially those of us
who own custom, collector, streetrod, hotrod, or any other type of special
vehicle, to get involved in the fight now, and not let the state of PA pull
these Gestapo-like tactics on the law abiding drivers and car enthusaists
of PA. If you don't do it, no one else will, and you will have no one else
to blame, but yourself, when collector and special interest vehicles become
a thing of the past. This is truely a sad day in the history of this great
state, when a decent, law-abiding interest and hobby like ours is targeted
for destruction by a few self-serving, misinformed, beurocratic bozos like
the ones who developed these new policies.

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reaper2022 08-16-2007 03:31 PM

RE: If you live in PA
 
hmmm... what can we do to help lower unemployment and stimulate the economy? Well, let's destroy an entire market, for starters

All I have to say is I'm moving away as soon as possible.... hell, maybe I'll even choose a different WyoTech to go to.

alextoader 08-16-2007 07:02 PM

RE: If you live in PA
 
this ****ing rediculous. im pissed man. if this **** happens im leaving the country. **** the government. no one is going to control me. anarchy ftw

SuBlime_4_LiFe 08-16-2007 07:20 PM

RE: If you live in PA
 
That is the biggest BS that any one has ever come up with! Where can i join some group or sign some petition i say we rally!! and f'n RIOT! all day long untill PA is burning! Thank god i only have to live in this Sh!t for one more year then im outa here and goin to collage far away from here!!

StifflersMom 08-16-2007 07:52 PM

RE: If you live in PA
 
Guys, guys, guys...how about you research this further? This HAS been around for quite some time and it only affects vehicles that require retitling as far as I know. I'm in no rush to leave PA and so shouldn't you...just write your rep and tell them that this pisses people off...I know I did

t0wards eternity 08-16-2007 08:43 PM

RE: If you live in PA
 
That's ridiculous. I live in PA and know so many people with modded cars whether it be tuners or old muscle cars, motorcycles...anything. If it's true that it only applies to retitiling vehicles then that's alright I suppose, but if they can pull anyone over at anytime with a list of stuff and pinpoint everything that's not stock that's absolutely ridiculous. I will have no part in it and the backlash will be immense.

reaper2022 08-17-2007 02:40 PM

RE: If you live in PA
 
Yeah, it only applies to re-titled vehicles (I saw this on the news like a month ago and figured I'd never see mention of these laws again), but I've looked at the laws... technically, a vehicle needs to be re-titled as a "modified vehicle" if you do pretty much anything to it... suspension work, engine swap, body kit (even just simply changing fenders to aftermarket fenders)... if it changes how the vehicle looks or operates, technically it needs to be retitled.

StifflersMom 08-17-2007 04:52 PM

RE: If you live in PA
 
not true. A titling change includes changing let's say a coupe to a convertible...the potentially road unworthy vehicles if they were done improperly...and that I support....I saw a cavalier almost fold in half on I-95 cause he thought it'd be cool to drive around with a chopped off roof.

civicws6 08-19-2007 06:25 AM

RE: If you live in PA
 
i don't believe it. there have been threats like this before, from YEARS back, and none of them have ever gone through with it.


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