Negotiating on a new Civic
 

We decided to get our son a new Civic. I have bought lots of new cars in my life but never even looked at a Honda. But that's what he wants. So looking at Civics. What is a typical price for a Civic that say MSRP is around $22k? Can I expect 10-20% off MSRP? Thanks in advance! He ONLY wants a stick-shift but I think he doesn't care what other options it has.