94' starts, rough noise/idle
 

1994 Honda Civic 1.5 Liter 4 cyl.
190k Miles, All Stock that i know of.

Normal Idle is around 900-1000. Recently(last few feeks) random times starting it would idle up and down between 1k and 1.5k.

Now a new problem has come, yesterday on way back home from a 20 mile trip from another city i wanted to turn heater on, to find out that it was blowing no heat. Then i looked at dashboard and saw that tempertaure gauge was as high as it could go. I then drove last 5 times to let it cool.

After starting the engine again, which seems to start up fine, is now idleing rough at 2k, with a winding noise or i really dont know how to explain to sound, which seems to come directly from the belt area.

What problems may i be facing? How much would it cost to fix?
If theres anything i can do to find information to get more help let me know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b_uxwAdgOw
Recorded Sound Which it makes^^^^^

sounds like you have a bad water pump, fill up radiator and let it run watch for a water leak in the area of the belts from under the car.

What exactly should i do?
Just open radiator cap and fill with water and turn on car and let it run and check?

Like the noise is bad to the point like i dont want it running much.(I definitely dont drive it)

yes fill it back up with water close cap and start car and let it run while you look for water dripping/pouring out.
im 99% positive you have a bad water pump. and when you replace the water pump get a new timing belt also.

Hopefully you didn't burn up the engine. Never run it unless full of water. Check for smoke from the tailpipe.

Don't drive with a water pump that leaks or makes noise, besides losing the coolant and overheating, the pump can seize and strip the timing belt. Then you're likely to have valve damage.

Filled it up Probably took 3/4+ of a gallon let it run for 3-5 mins.
The idle rpm seemed to have gone back down now unde 1.5k even under 1.3k rather than 2k.

Couldnt see any dripping, but then again im a worried wart and im checking in while its wet outside and just rained, so cant just look on ground for wet/dry. Put a pan in the general area of underneath the belts. And didnt catch anything.

But, after running it for 3-5 mins i just went ahead and opened radiator cap again, and filled it with more after and it took another 1/8th of a gallon to get back to full. Was told to check oil again cause i coulda blown gasket or w/e to look for white foam, messy oil. And i was fine, cept it was really low, half way up to where its marked.

Post-Oil Checks
Getting home yesterday with temp gauge at max temp as possible. I checked oil stick and it was really low like 1/8th of up where its marked. And was smoking(white). After letting engine cool, and checking oil again the oil was up at the marked area for the dip stick. And the just now checking it again after adding water to radiator, checked oil again and its half way up to the mark.

What exactly is a burn up engine?

And i didnt get to check tail pipe for smoke. And by smoke i assume it would be "black smoke" Do i have to let card run/idle till operating temp then check tail pipe to do so?

black smoke is ok, its the white smoke which means a blown headgasket,

Is the imformation im giving, proving the water pump to be it. And then might as well replace belts since its in same area if taken to a mechanic?

How much should i exspect it to cost and how do i find what belts for my car.

sidenote: Whats the difference between timing belts, serpentine belts and so on. I see that i have 3 belts.
Guessing alternator, fan belt, and power steering?

Yes you have those 3 external belts. They have to be taken off to work on the timing belt / water pump so it's usually good to put new ones back on. The timing belt is under the gray plastic cover. Your Civic does not have a serpentine belt.

There is no fan belt. I don't think any transverse mounted engines have fan belts. Your fan is electric.

It's power steering, A/C, and alternator

and the timing belt is hidin behind the cover thats behind the ac/ps/alt belts.

Aight, so i just checked it again this morning filled it with a little more from last time, maybe 1/2-1 cup of water to fill it back up again. Let it run for 3-5 mins and saw no water under the car. I then looked at belts again after 1 person explained i got 3 external belts, and 1 timing belt. The cover for the timing belt if i put a little pressure on the cover in certain directions. Seems to be where the noise is coming from. And it seems night as well as i could tell(from the 2 that i could see). But i could put pressure in direction directions on the cover of the timing belt for the noise to be different/quiet/louder. So i wonder if its the belt under it or if its just the cover. If just the cover im wondering why it would just randomly have problems.

Asumming this is it?(pictures included)
The white cover to right of engine, the white thing pretty much in middle of picture 2, top of picture 1.

http://yfrog.com/859290302j
http://yfrog.com/cb9290297j

And here is a video on applying pressure to this Box, in different directions changing the noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EPC6xHCsUg

Aight, got a new problem. After finding out that putting pressure on the timing belt cover that the sound would change for the better from what i can tell. Tried taking it off. But it catches onto the valve cover. So took out spark plug things, unscrewed the valve cover and took it off to get the cover of the timing belt off.

Trying to check the timing belt if the cover was off, but now the car wont start.
So put everything back to way it was and still it wont start.

Are you getting spark?

Seems to not be getting a spark.
Cranks hard.

I dont see as to why i wouldnt be getting a spark anymore for doing the things i did.

Can a after market alarm effect getting a spark?

For sure not getting a spark anymore, used timing light and it didnt come up with anything.

Take the distributor cap off and check that the distributor shaft rotates when you crank, if not, the timing belt has failed.

aight, rainy right now, but will do as soon as its not and got some1 to help me, will post as soon as i find out.

Question.....When you took the valve cover off and the timing cover..What was left off when you tried to start your civic?

If you only left the timing belt cover off & everything else was on...Did you make sure you connected the grounding wire to the valve cover from the body?(should be somewhere near the driver's side headlight I believe..maybe closer to the AC fan)

I'm no mechanic but the cranking without starting happened to me before when i forgot to connect the ground wire from the body to the valve cover & an co-worker at work(who been a mechanic for 25 years) told me if that ground wire is not attached to the valve cover then it can fry your ICM or even your coil.

But of course..that's just my car...

First time only thing left off was timing belt cover. Then it didnt start, so put everything back. But yes did forget the grounding wire but only for like 3 tries till realizing it, so wouldnt think it would **** over coil that fast. and ICM is?

I don't know what an ICM. I know what an ICBM is, but nothing honda related :P I think he means ECM. Electronic Control Module, or basically the computer that runs your car.

Ignition Control Module...sorry..:p

Finally got the chance to look at it this morning. And yes it does rotate when cranking.

Unanswered question: Can an aftermarket alarm prevent a spark? And if so is there a way to trace it be the reason.