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hey. new here. b16 or d16? =p
wdupp fellas. im not completely clueless, but im new to the tuner scene and young. plan on learning more with time and experience.
i have a 97 civic ex. my baby. [sm=bananallama.gif] haha. iuno. i jus felt like adding that picture. but anyways i cant decide whether to get a new d16 and turbo it. my current engine has 142xxx miles on it. or do a b16 swap. im torn inbetween the two. opinions appreciated. thanks |
RE: hey. new here. b16 or d16? =p
b16 will be a better engine, and then turbo that, or go for a bigger engine.
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No one seems to like the D series..
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i would say b series. alot more parts for them and more experience, atleast that is what I see.
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d series are good and everything, but it costs more money to make them faster.
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B-series for the win!...there a couple of boosred D's on this site!..feel free to ask them!
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hey dude i am torn in between also. i am going with a jdm d15b, just cause it sounds great for me, but you just got to do research on n this sight and look around ya know. i want to go d series, just cause i want to be different, and not go b, and i like them:D
so just do what ya want! and good luck and welcome to a great new world |
RE: hey. new here. b16 or d16? =p
well, i have a 98 civic, with 145xxx miles, and i have been doing some "home work" and figure that it will be more cost/time efficeint to but a turbo kit, then shortly after buy another d-series and build it up. keep in mind that a b16 will run you about $2,000 complete, where as a d series can be had for around $500. then ask yourself this, do you have the time, a back up vehicle, and a place to do a motor swap? do you have the ability and money for small random parts that you may need to either purchase or have fabricated? Hopefully i have been some kind of help...
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sup guys. appreciate all the responses. and ive made up my mind. i think i gotta go b-series. because i think that yeah you can build the d and turbo it for about how much it costs to get a b. but the b has so much more potential!
and yeah turtle ive thought about all the other little things i need to get for the b swap. thats the main reason i couldn choose between goin turbo or b. didnt wanna deal with it all. and edyo good luck with what you decide to do. no love for the d series? haha story time.. today i skipped school with bunch of people. later decided to go to the mall and got on the interstate. got on my car hard for the first time. bought the car a short while ago. me and another friend with a civic decided to race. both stock d16. it was the slowest race ever man. haha. we go from 60mph. first was scared to drop it to 3rd. (never raced before) so dropped it to 4th.. and it didnt do anything barely! and other civic slowly pulls away. so lined up again and decided to drop it to 3rd. kicks a little, but i thought it woulda kicked way harder, and pulled away from him. raced again. pulled away from him. think his civic was a dx. whats it called when youre goin then you push in clutch again and let go with gas still down. makes the tires chirp. when i did it i really pulled from him. so yeah my first race. my car is slooow. thought it was faster than it was. maybe i expected too much? lol. i am new to this kind of stuff. but the d is saving me gas. and i still love it. |
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K-series FTW :D
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Personally, I would suggest something that is going to cost more money but will help you further your knowledge in the long run. I suggest Open operation on a D16z6 motor. The motor is about $400 and very common. From there, I would suggest learning about cams and pistons and boring and honing and all the fun little intricate details to learning how to tune and modify a motor to get the best set up for what you are looking for. FROM HERE, you can move to something like a b16 which is a $1000-$1500 motor and you have all the mor experience to tune that motor with so that you do not rely on a shop or another source of information.
Like I said...this is much more expencive, but in the end you will get better results because you will know so much more about the craft. |
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ORIGINAL: GetItBoy sup guys. appreciate all the responses. and ive made up my mind. i think i gotta go b-series. because i think that yeah you can build the d and turbo it for about how much it costs to get a b. but the b has so much more potential! and yeah turtle ive thought about all the other little things i need to get for the b swap. thats the main reason i couldn choose between goin turbo or b. didnt wanna deal with it all. and edyo good luck with what you decide to do. no love for the d series? haha story time.. today i skipped school with bunch of people. later decided to go to the mall and got on the interstate. got on my car hard for the first time. bought the car a short while ago. me and another friend with a civic decided to race. both stock d16. it was the slowest race ever man. haha. we go from 60mph. first was scared to drop it to 3rd. (never raced before) so dropped it to 4th.. and it didnt do anything barely! and other civic slowly pulls away. so lined up again and decided to drop it to 3rd. kicks a little, but i thought it woulda kicked way harder, and pulled away from him. raced again. pulled away from him. think his civic was a dx. whats it called when youre goin then you push in clutch again and let go with gas still down. makes the tires chirp. when i did it i really pulled from him. so yeah my first race. my car is slooow. thought it was faster than it was. maybe i expected too much? lol. i am new to this kind of stuff. but the d is saving me gas. and i still love it. |
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GetItBoy
whats it called when youre goin then you push in clutch again and let go with gas still down. Ouch try not to do that to your car too much it hurts it a lot (its called power shifting) and thats not a bad idea kei..[sm=smiley13.gif] that would cost some money.. but in the long run itd save you money because you wont have to rely on shops any shops and do the work yourself. gonna keep that idea in mind too |
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I had a turbo D. They are awesome. For 2K you will get a B16 complete swap.....but thats not installed, and its just 160hp. Get a D16Z6 for 500 bucks, build the bottom end and boost it. You could drop the motor off at a shop and have them build it for boost. It might end up costing a little more than the B series but its definetly worth it because you can run 250 whp on a build D series turbo. Say you get a solid turbo kit, nice size turbo and build the D.. Say it costs you 3500$ with everything installed and ready to go, including the turbo kit. That price is steep BUT im factoring in a Dyno tune and everything. Say youre running moderate horsepower on the D....so 240 WHP....That is a fast civic. Now lets see how much you pay per hp......
D series WHP would be 240 (or more if ya want, you have the built internals to support it) Thats 3500/240(whp) Thats $14.58 per WHP. B series, say $2750 (750 for install) 160hp-24hp (15% drivetrain powerloss=136WHP. $2750/136(whp) Thats $20.22 per WHP. Do the B series swap yourself and figure $2,000/136=$14.70 per whp. If youve got a running engine in your car now just leave it alone. Buy another D series and drop it off at a shop. Getting it built for boost is much cheaper per each whp you gain. You could even bump it up to 250 whp on the turbo D, but that blows the B out of the water lol. |
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hey pete. that makes me wanna jus build a d and turbo it. i got some questions if thats cool. were you satisfied with your cars power? i want power, im not trying to be ridiculously fast tho, i jus wanna know my car has a lil speed in it. i wanna have fun on the interstate.:D
and i want the car to still be really reliable. because its my only car and is gonna be my daily driver. im still young and not really ballin outta control and cant really afford lots of repairing and stuff. and i took a look at your turbo grocery list. would it be better if i were to buy brand name parts for the turbo kit? or would that jus be a waste of money? |
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Also keep in mind what you are using this car FOR. If you are building an Auto Cross car like I did, I didn't focus much on Power as much as I did on suspension. I have fully adjustable suspension to allow a track to track change. However Dragging or off the line up and go is going to be a definate turbo application. If you are trying to stick to STREET LEGAL then you are going to come across the good ol' referee. They will tell you everything is wrong and then you will do it again and again. There are, however, things like Street-legal turbos for the d16. I know Greddy makes one and there are several sites to tell you how to build you own. Just be careful, ask a lot of questions, and never assume you know your **** 100%. I'd ask how to change my oil if something didn't feel right.
I'm glad this topic became such a vibrant convo. |
RE: hey. new here. b16 or d16? =p
I also have a D series engine and also contemplating on turbo or swap. Are turbos high maintainance?
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Jus make sure u bulid ur **** right, u dont wanna ruin ur engine!..u have to get it tuned and all!
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ORIGINAL: Ben K-series FTW :D |
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i have a 96 civic dx. and i jus t purchased a b16a and it has 170 hp. its the japanese version with no number at the end. i bought the complete swap kit at hmotorsonline.com it inly cost me like 2600 bucks. and it comes with everything you need plus it has less than 34,000 miles, and a start up warranty. thats where you need to go if you want a good swap at a good price that includes shipping and everything. plus the horsepower you get out of a turbod d-series would be the same as you would out of that b16a...sooo make the smart choice
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I like the B series better, bigger, 2 cams. D looks ugly, it does not have the JDM look. But Pete, i guess for the sake of bucks, go for Ds.
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cant go wrong with either. I built the bottom end of a D and plan on boosting big time in spring. I just dont feel like screwing with a swap when I can get 215 whp from the d motor thats already in. It all comes down to money and time and how much you feel like spending on both.
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The Problem with the K20 Idea inside a civic is drawn to weight. The Civic front end for OBD1 model cars was never designed to drive that kinda weight nor power. so reinforcements come needed. Though It would be well worth it in the end, I suppose, I personally know someone who dropped a B18c1 into his 95 OBD1 ex. Using this platform as a basis for N/A power, you can run the b18 tranny with a b16 2nd and Final drive gears swapped in. Re-chip the ECU and you have yourself a car that runs to 9200 RPM with redline shift points in VTEC for every shift. Straight line accel would run your into the 11's or 10's. Honda's are very versitile and if you do your research, you'll find a combo that works out nicely for your plans with the car. Remember things like mini-me swaps, ls-Vtec, b-series, the DOHC D-series motor, are all things that can be modified to be exactly what you are looking for.
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