gili_91hatch
11-02-2005, 06:12 PM
i am guessing lightweight?
not to many 91s out there, they are all underdogs
...fixing to change that
not to many 91s out there, they are all underdogs
...fixing to change that
ED-EF Swaps - what are the pros and cons of a 91 hatch?
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dj_004
11-05-2005, 01:09 PM
the 91's have rear disc brakes when the 88s and 89s and 90s have drums like mine..... ihave a 88 si with d16z6 head
Street Sniper
11-05-2005, 01:16 PM
I'm gettin one shortly and tuning it into a 1900lb compression whore.
Mad7s
11-05-2005, 02:24 PM
Cons: Accident = your death, airbags are stupid anyways.
gili_91hatch
11-05-2005, 02:36 PM
i mostly want to use the car for 1/4 mile runs
and daily driving, and not street races that are illegal
i really want to drift though!!
hahahahehehehe
and daily driving, and not street races that are illegal
i really want to drift though!!
hahahahehehehe
Street Sniper
11-05-2005, 02:42 PM
You might want to get a RWD then.
Kappa22
11-05-2005, 05:55 PM
Or just convert it... :D
Mad7s
11-05-2005, 06:37 PM
i really want to drift though!!
SYLVIA!
SYLVIA!
sacicons
11-06-2005, 02:56 AM
if you want to drift, go for a Miata. they arent as expensive as the Nissans and stuff that people jump for, but are just as capable. you just have to get over the gay jokes people are going to throw your way all the time:D
Kappa22
11-06-2005, 04:53 PM
...and put a decent engine in it. :D
sacicons
11-06-2005, 05:00 PM
naw, FI. those miata motors take to boost really well. a boosted 1.6l miata engine will make more power than the chassis really needs. but yeah, they are dogs stock.
Mad7s
11-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Not to thread jack, but my English teacher gave up his Turbo II RX-7 for an automatic Miata. I wanted to kill this guy.
sacicons
11-06-2005, 06:48 PM
oh yeah, if a guys going to drive a Miata, it had better be manual. it is a borderline flamer car, but an auto is for girls and yuppies.
Kappa22
11-06-2005, 08:59 PM
ORIGINAL: sacicons
oh yeah, if a guys going to drive a Miata, it had better be manual. it is a borderline flamer car, but an auto is for girls and yuppies.
:D
oh yeah, if a guys going to drive a Miata, it had better be manual. it is a borderline flamer car, but an auto is for girls and yuppies.
:D
AgentofDarkness
11-11-2005, 11:33 PM
ORIGINAL: Mad7s
Not to thread jack, but my English teacher gave up his Turbo II RX-7 for an automatic Miata. I wanted to kill this guy.
What was he smoking? Must have been some strong stuff.
Not to thread jack, but my English teacher gave up his Turbo II RX-7 for an automatic Miata. I wanted to kill this guy.
What was he smoking? Must have been some strong stuff.
feelsfast
11-29-2005, 10:24 AM
The pros to a 91 hatch are its a hatch its the last year of the body style and when modded right they can be pretty quick (not Fast).
THere are no stock rear disk for any hatches 88-91 but there is a decent amount of donor cars around crx si 90-91 90-93 integra that you can get rear disk from. As for drifting it is possible with a front driver but wheres the fun in that. The cons to buying an older civic is the age. You'll end up spending money on things you weren't expecting. Control arms bolts that break worn out bushings, old clogged cats, leaks etc. I've owned them all from 88-91 std,dx's,and a few si's they are great cars keep in mind that the 91 si was the heaviest of all the hatches its only a few pounds lighter then the 92 style and may be heavier then a 5th gen dx.
THere are no stock rear disk for any hatches 88-91 but there is a decent amount of donor cars around crx si 90-91 90-93 integra that you can get rear disk from. As for drifting it is possible with a front driver but wheres the fun in that. The cons to buying an older civic is the age. You'll end up spending money on things you weren't expecting. Control arms bolts that break worn out bushings, old clogged cats, leaks etc. I've owned them all from 88-91 std,dx's,and a few si's they are great cars keep in mind that the 91 si was the heaviest of all the hatches its only a few pounds lighter then the 92 style and may be heavier then a 5th gen dx.
Kappa22
11-29-2005, 02:16 PM
ORIGINAL: feelsfast
The pros to a 91 hatch are its a hatch its the last year of the body style and when modded right they can be pretty quick (not Fast).
THere are no stock rear disk for any hatches 88-91 but there is a decent amount of donor cars around crx si 90-91 90-93 integra that you can get rear disk from. As for drifting it is possible with a front driver but wheres the fun in that. The cons to buying an older civic is the age. You'll end up spending money on things you weren't expecting. Control arms bolts that break worn out bushings, old clogged cats, leaks etc. I've owned them all from 88-91 std,dx's,and a few si's they are great cars keep in mind that the 91 si was the heaviest of all the hatches its only a few pounds lighter then the 92 style and may be heavier then a 5th gen dx.
I beg to differ on several accounts. First of all, they can definitely be just as fast as any other Civic. My 4G Si LS-Turbo was fast. The '90 Std. with the F20C swap we built was fast.
Secondly, drifting, by its very definition, can only be done with RWD cars. You can get the back end sloppy on a FWD or e-brake it, but you're not drifting.
And thirdly, 4G's are still the least expensive Civics to buy and own, even if they do need a bunch of repairs right off the bat. Not to mention the fact that they almost always outlast other generations. I've owned 6 4G hatches of my own and done swaps in countless others, so I know them very very well.
The pros to a 91 hatch are its a hatch its the last year of the body style and when modded right they can be pretty quick (not Fast).
THere are no stock rear disk for any hatches 88-91 but there is a decent amount of donor cars around crx si 90-91 90-93 integra that you can get rear disk from. As for drifting it is possible with a front driver but wheres the fun in that. The cons to buying an older civic is the age. You'll end up spending money on things you weren't expecting. Control arms bolts that break worn out bushings, old clogged cats, leaks etc. I've owned them all from 88-91 std,dx's,and a few si's they are great cars keep in mind that the 91 si was the heaviest of all the hatches its only a few pounds lighter then the 92 style and may be heavier then a 5th gen dx.
I beg to differ on several accounts. First of all, they can definitely be just as fast as any other Civic. My 4G Si LS-Turbo was fast. The '90 Std. with the F20C swap we built was fast.
Secondly, drifting, by its very definition, can only be done with RWD cars. You can get the back end sloppy on a FWD or e-brake it, but you're not drifting.
And thirdly, 4G's are still the least expensive Civics to buy and own, even if they do need a bunch of repairs right off the bat. Not to mention the fact that they almost always outlast other generations. I've owned 6 4G hatches of my own and done swaps in countless others, so I know them very very well.
feelsfast
11-30-2005, 08:56 AM
ORIGINAL: Kappa22
ORIGINAL: feelsfast
The pros to a 91 hatch are its a hatch its the last year of the body style and when modded right they can be pretty quick (not Fast).
THere are no stock rear disk for any hatches 88-91 but there is a decent amount of donor cars around crx si 90-91 90-93 integra that you can get rear disk from. As for drifting it is possible with a front driver but wheres the fun in that. The cons to buying an older civic is the age. You'll end up spending money on things you weren't expecting. Control arms bolts that break worn out bushings, old clogged cats, leaks etc. I've owned them all from 88-91 std,dx's,and a few si's they are great cars keep in mind that the 91 si was the heaviest of all the hatches its only a few pounds lighter then the 92 style and may be heavier then a 5th gen dx.
I beg to differ on several accounts. First of all, they can definitely be just as fast as any other Civic. My 4G Si LS-Turbo was fast. The '90 Std. with the F20C swap we built was fast.
Secondly, drifting, by its very definition, can only be done with RWD cars. You can get the back end sloppy on a FWD or e-brake it, but you're not drifting.
And thirdly, 4G's are still the least expensive Civics to buy and own, even if they do need a bunch of repairs right off the bat. Not to mention the fact that they almost always outlast other generations. I've owned 6 4G hatches of my own and done swaps in countless others, so I know them very very well.
I should rephrase that. I was speaking of basic mods without swaps or boost or nitrous or head swaps just the basics. Every honda can be fast if your pockets will allow it but there are many more broke car owners then wealthy ones or there probably would be no stock cars at all. PLease don't get the idea that I have no love for the hatches I've been a honda driver for the past 13 years and I'm also speaking from experience.
ORIGINAL: feelsfast
The pros to a 91 hatch are its a hatch its the last year of the body style and when modded right they can be pretty quick (not Fast).
THere are no stock rear disk for any hatches 88-91 but there is a decent amount of donor cars around crx si 90-91 90-93 integra that you can get rear disk from. As for drifting it is possible with a front driver but wheres the fun in that. The cons to buying an older civic is the age. You'll end up spending money on things you weren't expecting. Control arms bolts that break worn out bushings, old clogged cats, leaks etc. I've owned them all from 88-91 std,dx's,and a few si's they are great cars keep in mind that the 91 si was the heaviest of all the hatches its only a few pounds lighter then the 92 style and may be heavier then a 5th gen dx.
I beg to differ on several accounts. First of all, they can definitely be just as fast as any other Civic. My 4G Si LS-Turbo was fast. The '90 Std. with the F20C swap we built was fast.
Secondly, drifting, by its very definition, can only be done with RWD cars. You can get the back end sloppy on a FWD or e-brake it, but you're not drifting.
And thirdly, 4G's are still the least expensive Civics to buy and own, even if they do need a bunch of repairs right off the bat. Not to mention the fact that they almost always outlast other generations. I've owned 6 4G hatches of my own and done swaps in countless others, so I know them very very well.
I should rephrase that. I was speaking of basic mods without swaps or boost or nitrous or head swaps just the basics. Every honda can be fast if your pockets will allow it but there are many more broke car owners then wealthy ones or there probably would be no stock cars at all. PLease don't get the idea that I have no love for the hatches I've been a honda driver for the past 13 years and I'm also speaking from experience.
Kappa22
11-30-2005, 12:37 PM
ORIGINAL: feelsfast
I should rephrase that. I was speaking of basic mods without swaps or boost or nitrous or head swaps just the basics. Every honda can be fast if your pockets will allow it but there are many more broke car owners then wealthy ones or there probably would be no stock cars at all. PLease don't get the idea that I have no love for the hatches I've been a honda driver for the past 13 years and I'm also speaking from experience.
Ah, fair enough. Don't worry, I'm not trying to start a fight or anything. :D
I should rephrase that. I was speaking of basic mods without swaps or boost or nitrous or head swaps just the basics. Every honda can be fast if your pockets will allow it but there are many more broke car owners then wealthy ones or there probably would be no stock cars at all. PLease don't get the idea that I have no love for the hatches I've been a honda driver for the past 13 years and I'm also speaking from experience.
Ah, fair enough. Don't worry, I'm not trying to start a fight or anything. :D
se7ensectoolate
12-04-2005, 02:06 AM
One problem, that nobody else mentioned, is inherant of all hatchbacks. When you are using the car for autocross or backroad carving, the hatch is not going to be as stiff of a chassis as a coupe. The gaping hole out the back is quite an obsticle to overcome, when it comes to chassis stiffening. A 4G wouldn't have as much of a problem as the 5G or 6G hatches, as their openings out the back are much bigger.
Kappa22
12-04-2005, 06:22 PM
True. But 4G hatches use the same chassis' as CRX Si's et. all, so they're pretty damn tight from the factory as well, even with the hole in the floor.
ef4life
12-05-2005, 06:34 PM
depending on what you want to do with your 91 in my opinion it is better than other newer civics, because they are smaller, lighter, and in opinion look better. But parts are becoming scarce, bodykits (if your into them) are crappy. big brake kits are far and few between. but you can put and honda 4 into it thanks to hasport.
Mad7s
12-05-2005, 11:07 PM
But parts are becoming scarce
I hear that [:@]
I hear that [:@]
mabus013
01-25-2006, 11:53 AM
ORIGINAL: Kappa22
Secondly, drifting, by its very definition, can only be done with RWD cars. You can get the back end sloppy on a FWD or e-brake it, but you're not drifting.
Um...sorry, Kappa, I know I'm new here and you seem like a cool guy and all, but I call bull**** on that.
In Japan, many drifters got started drifting fwd cars. Especially pertinant to this thread, however, is the fact that there was an EF hatch built to drift on the cover of Honda Tuning last year. The guy was not only competing with Sylvias, he was whipping their asses. It can be done.
I have a 91 hatch, and no, no disk brakes (I didn't even get a goddamn fifth gear stock [:@]), and they're, in my opinion, the best Civic to build up. They're the simplest, one of the lightest, and basically anything that can be done to a later Civic can be done to this car - only cheaper. You can pick them up in non-running condition for nothing. OBD was just a bad dream at the time. When it comes to imports, it's all about the early 90's - that's where the magic circles of technology, simplicity, and light weight met. Later models are heavier, more complex (in ways that have nothing to do with going faster), and of course more expensive. Plus, no one expects that boxy old hatch or sedan to be anything at all - they make great sleepers. Just leave the 18's for someone who needs to look like a 2F2F reject if they're ever going to get laid.
Secondly, drifting, by its very definition, can only be done with RWD cars. You can get the back end sloppy on a FWD or e-brake it, but you're not drifting.
Um...sorry, Kappa, I know I'm new here and you seem like a cool guy and all, but I call bull**** on that.
In Japan, many drifters got started drifting fwd cars. Especially pertinant to this thread, however, is the fact that there was an EF hatch built to drift on the cover of Honda Tuning last year. The guy was not only competing with Sylvias, he was whipping their asses. It can be done.
I have a 91 hatch, and no, no disk brakes (I didn't even get a goddamn fifth gear stock [:@]), and they're, in my opinion, the best Civic to build up. They're the simplest, one of the lightest, and basically anything that can be done to a later Civic can be done to this car - only cheaper. You can pick them up in non-running condition for nothing. OBD was just a bad dream at the time. When it comes to imports, it's all about the early 90's - that's where the magic circles of technology, simplicity, and light weight met. Later models are heavier, more complex (in ways that have nothing to do with going faster), and of course more expensive. Plus, no one expects that boxy old hatch or sedan to be anything at all - they make great sleepers. Just leave the 18's for someone who needs to look like a 2F2F reject if they're ever going to get laid.