Mechanical Problems & Technical Chat - Son blew his engine.....

Guys and gals, if anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.

My son blew the engine on his 200 Civic, SI. If correct, it is a B16A 1595.

My mechanic suggest's getting a good used one instead of trying to repair that one due to the internal damage.

Do you all recommend anyplace to get one? I've tried locally but have found none thus far.

I have a few feelers out, so I figured I'd try you guys as well.

My son and that car have been nothing but a headache in the 3 months he's had it. First he rear ends someone causing almost 3K in damage, now this.

If I would have know prior that this car was popular with car thieves I would've let them steal it after the 1st week. In another era of my life I would have done it myself.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

get him a pedal bike?

An engine swap is a good idea. You can find the same motor online for like 2500$, but it will only have 30-40K on it. Just use google and you will find tons of stores that will ship the engine to you. Dont throw the old engine out either, you can sell it on ebay, as many honda gearheads are always looking for blown engines to fix up. You could prob get a few hundred for the blown engine, assuming the block and head are ok.......use that towards the purchase of the newer one.

ive heard good feedback on this website, i dont know if theyll only sell u the motor but its worth a try

hmotorsonline.com ask for steve

It doesn't sound as if the son needs to have his own car yet to me... sounds as though he needs to work on some responsibility. It takes some work to blow up an engine... I have a very 'spirited' driving style, I like to accelerate quickly... not really speed, or drive recklessly, just take off fast, and occasionally I'll "play around" with those stuck up drivers who think they are all that... I have not managed to blow up a 14 year old 200kmile motor after two years of my driving so what's that say... Further more, when I was in my school years I caused a lot of problems on my first car that were always my problem, my dad said if I broke it I had to figure out how to fix it, driving was a privilege not a right, and if I was careless it would be taken away... That's just my $.02 for what it's worth...

Of the two accidents I have managed to find myself in, one I rear ended an Acura TL, road was super slick because it was wet, and it was fresh pavement, I wasn't speeding or driving carelessly, I had plenty of room to stop, but at the last possible second the brakes locked, and I slid right into her, did no damage, other than scratch my bumper. The other one was when a windstar rear ended me... that was obviously his fault...

As for the engine... Jasper Engines and Transmissions offers an excellent remanufactured engine, they also come with a 3 year 36,000 mile transferable warranty, last time I checked. no other rebuilder I have found offers that extensive of a warranty, you have to have an approved installer do the work though. Just search for them on google, their site will show up... I have heard nothing but good things about jasper... My mechanic friend even has one of their engines in one of his personal vehicles, a 2000 civic, and said he is very pleased with it. They usually go for 2k's, but with the warranty I think it's well worth it if you are going to keep the car...

Can you be mroe specific with "blew" It may jsut be cheaper to have the current engine repaired depending on the damage.

/\ agreed, i think that your son needs to buck up and take hold of his responsibilites... but that is just me speaking. Anyway online is the way to go if you cant find a good wrecking yard.

Also if it does need replaced I wouldn't replace it with the same motor with the cost of it. Buy a cheap b20 or b18 for liek 600 bucksand put it in until he can drive right, I still don't know how you would blow a b16a2 out. Took a full pint of muddy water to do mine in after all the drag events and spirited driving its seen.

ORIGINAL: civicpimpinsc

It doesn't sound as if the son needs to have his own car yet to me... sounds as though he needs to work on some responsibility. It takes some work to blow up an engine...


You don't know that. This could have absolutely nothing to do with the kid's driving. He's only had it for 3 months, WHO KNOWS what happened to it before then.

Anyway, yeah, the best thing to do will be to replace it wil the same engine. Putting a B18A in there is only going to destroy the resell value. Make sure you get a B16A2, not just a B16A...

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

How DUMM can you be to BLOW your engine up.More likley he was treating his car like SHI* or he was always racing because those cars do fly fast . I own the same car and tell me about it thieves are always AFTER those cars...They are HOT...Get a JAPANESE engine import straight from japan.


Buy him a bike or something else..He don't deserve his car...He thought he was fast and the furious.


sh*t happens....


just buy a new used long block and pay 300-500 for installation....

I'm gonna join the group that says, don't fix it. End of problem. Sell it for junk and keep the money yourself. He can have his next car when he can afford it.

My brother has pretty much the same problem with his daughter. From my limited experience (personal and observed)I will say, if you fix it he will wreck it again. There was no real cost with wrecking it before.

The other side of this issue is, if he is behaving irresponsibly with the car... or if you even suspect it... you could end up minus a son. He'll do stupid things no matter what. I did. But there are limits. And you have to keep them to a low level where they are under the radar to your parents. That rules out a lot of stupidity, to which all males at that age are prone.

Just my two cents.

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

ORIGINAL: JETSPEED333

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

How DUMM can you be to BLOW your engine up.More likley he was treating his car like SHI* or he was always racing because those cars do fly fast . I own the same car and tell me about it thieves are always AFTER those cars...They are HOT...Get a JAPANESE engine import straight from japan.


Buy him a bike or something else..He don't deserve his car...He thought he was fast and the furious.


sh*t happens....


just buy a new used long block and pay 300-500 for installation....


Only retards blow up there engine


blanket statement coming out of your a$$

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

ORIGINAL: JETSPEED333

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

How DUMM can you be to BLOW your engine up.More likley he was treating his car like SHI* or he was always racing because those cars do fly fast . I own the same car and tell me about it thieves are always AFTER those cars...They are HOT...Get a JAPANESE engine import straight from japan.


Buy him a bike or something else..He don't deserve his car...He thought he was fast and the furious.


sh*t happens....


just buy a new used long block and pay 300-500 for installation....


Only retards blow up there engine


Because mechanical failure on a 7 year old piece of machinery with an unknown history, is completely unheard of? :eek:

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

Maybe it hurted your a$$ so bad because more likely the same crap happened to you 2....Just sucked up



I hope your transmission falls out of your car for no reason.

PS. you type like a 10-year-old.

It's certainly true that people who are not retards blow their engines. And it was 7 years old. But, if he's driving a 7 year old car with an unknown past he also has to drive it like a 7 year old car with an unknown past.

It's possible he was just unlucky, but since his Dad indicated that son and car had been trouble from day one... and because he linked the blown engine with rear-ending someone, a lot of people would be inclined to read between the lines and come to the conclusion that Dad was implying there might be some driving issues.

Even if it blew... just because it blew. And even if the rear-ending was just one of those things... ya still gotta take what life dishes out. And that would mean no car until he can either fix this one or buy his own. Sometimes it happens that way.

When my clutch went out on my first car, I certainly didn't expect Pops to pick up the tab. Maybe it was it's time. Maybe it was me. But it was mine to deal with.

While I don't disagree with the whole "he should pay for it himself" thing, some people can't do so, need a car, and the parent can help...I do not see anything wrong with this unless it keeps happening once every three months...

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

ORIGINAL: mxs


ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

Maybe it hurted your a$$ so bad because more likely the same crap happened to you 2....Just sucked up



I hope your transmission falls out of your car for no reason.

PS. you type like a 10-year-old.



People are always HATTING on the Si....


1. get a spellchecker
2. Who cares about what you drive...in fact I do not believe that you even have an Si, not to mention a driver's licence...

ORIGINAL: Roto

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

ORIGINAL: mxs


ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

Maybe it hurted your a$$ so bad because more likely the same crap happened to you 2....Just sucked up



I hope your transmission falls out of your car for no reason.

PS. you type like a 10-year-old.



People are always HATTING on the Si....


1. get a spellchecker
2. Who cares about what you drive...in fact I do not believe that you even have an Si, not to mention a driver's licence...



Go and check my info i have a link to MY Space Page...You will See more pics

so I'll see more pictures on the internet...suuure that's good enough proof.




Actually I don't even care if you drive a Yugo. Refer to my 2nd post in this thread.

True, Roto. If he needs it for legitimate reasons, like driving to college, then help is certainly in order. Even under those circumstances some out of pocket cost seems warranted... .if nothingelse than to drive home that this is his car and he has a vested interest in keeping it in good shape... in listening to it so he can head of problems in advance whenever possible. (And a timing chain wouldfall underunpredictable, bad luck.) But, we're still back to, that happens to all of us sometimes. And thepiper has to be paid.

I wouldn't let my kid get a solution with no cost... simply because those solutions don't exist in the world he is going to inhabit.

i take back my first post here because it happened to be a drunk friends post.

the accident that was mentioned could also be a freak accident. i know for a fact that even if your driving slow in nasty weather stuff can happen. so cut the guy some slack and help him out. Civic Si 00 you are a fag.

Give it to me... :P

Seriously though, if he isn't mature enough to treat his car well, and blew his engine (most likely by racing) let him deal with not having a car until he can save up enough to get one. Part out the car, make some money back.

I think all of you guys need to just leave him alone. First off, doesnt it possibly say something that the father wants to help fix it? I mean, in my eyes, if the father feels that helping is the right thing to do, then it seems to me that he must trust his son enough that he would help him out with the problem. Civic Si, you are a mistake and should probably cease to exist. Also, just with anything else in this world, stuff can go wrong. You guys don't know what his history is so just shut up and try to help the guy instead of ripping him a new one. Half of you people probably dont even know what you are talking about. Also, i think i would trust someone like mxs or roto who know what they are talking about from their experience. Most of you are probably still in diapers.

ORIGINAL: GReddy_Civic

Also, i think i would trust a guy like mxs or roto


You do know she's not a guy?

Wow o wow. Came in kinda late into this but... "I" would probably swap it with the stock engine. Things happen, parts wear and tear and stuff breaks. And... if "I" were a mod I would totally ban that 8 year old si kid, cuz alot of the stuff he said isn't cool.

Wow, this got way out there...

When I started the whole it's probably the kids fault thing it was that reading between the lines stuff. I also speak from experience, I had a pretty nice Ford Escort DOHC 1.8 that had pullys, ignition, I.H.E., the works it was pertty quick... when I was a teen in high school, and I did some pretty crazy stuff, and yes my parents HELPED buy it, not bought it for me... Little did I know I had a problem with the oil pump, and it failed during a race... I threw a rod through the block, I won the race but the car died doing it, and my dad said guess what pal, you're on your own on this one, and by the way your insurance is now on you too, just be glad you didn't wreck or get caught... and if It ever happens again you will not be driving on my insurance policy, and I was also grounded for like a month.... so then I had to figure that one out on my own, that's when I went and did a buy here pay here deal on my civic, and paid it off in like three months, on my own...

Can you imagine going from driving that car to school and work, to being 17 and having your mom drop you off in her mini van because you blew your motor up racing some idiot in a civic, which by the way got straight up dusted by my escort.... and now I'm a civic owner, ha figure that one out.... Anyway that was punishment enough for me.... My dad wouldn't even let me drive their van to work, he said if I didn't care enough for my own car that I was responsible for, I sure wouldn't care for his, and he wasn't about to have me out there driving his van like that.... That was definately a lesson learned for me, and an expensive one at that... had it not been that way I wouldn't have changed my driving habits though, so he did me a big favor...

If the poster had been more specific about what happened there wouldn't be any speculation about it, or any of this trash talking.... and by the way you don't have to be really dumb to blow an engine... age, speed, driving habits all play a a factor... I sure didn't have my dad out there trying to figure my mess out for me though, I had to man up and handle it myself... I made the mess and I cleaned it up...

The whole reason I even mentioned any of that was that I thought it was wierd that the dad was the one on here looking for a solution for the motor his son blew up, and not the son trying to find the solution for him self, how's he going to learn if he's not having to take on the responsibility....

I, unlike many of the rest of you, also offered some useful Ideas on what to do to rectify the situation... and as I put it in my first post, it was just my opinion, obviously I nor anyone else on here know what really happened... and "blew his motor" leaves a lot of room for speculation.... I am still waiting for him to eleborate on "blew his motor" so some of us can actually offer sound advice into the situation... until that happens the best advice is to replace it with the same engine... However, it may be repairable, and if he would elaborate on the symptoms, perhaps someone could say yeah fix it or no replace it...

And a Used engine might be cheaper, but my suggestion for the re-manufactured engine from Jasper comes with a fully backed parts and labor 3yr, 36kmile warranty. I know first hand that that company is reputable, I know two people who have used them, both people I know are very pleased with the product...

Again just my $.02...

Chill with the trash talk though, it's un called for, and totally not helping anybody, and like someone else mentioned it's the reason why people think the way they do and make the assumptions they make about tuners...

I wouldn't do Jasper for one reason price. Usually I'm able to find three used engines for the price of one of those. And yes, the "blown engine" might be fixable...how many times did my friend "blow his engine" and it turned out to be something stupid, like two spark plugs wearing off (iridium OBX) or his distributor falling off...

Yeah, I can understand about price... that was one of the reasons I replaced my ford when the rod broke... rebuilds were to much, and I didn't want to risk keeping a used motor for my daily driver... My civic has been pretty good to me other than the head gasket... I just recomended them because I know their customer service is good, and they do have a good warranty, they are high priced though I wont argue that.

If price is the determining factor in it, not warranty, then find the best deal on a used one, try to find one that you can see/hear run, never buy one that is pulled and sitting in a garage somewhere, unless you know the seller really well... most likely if you get one from a salvage yard it has been tested, and will have a 30-90 day warranty, on parts only, not labor... if there's no money back or replacement for at least 30 days I would walk away and find another one...

I stuck a $200 used motor, without all of the power adders in my ford and sold it to pay for part of the much more reliable, and much better on gas honda... so yeah I know about used motors, BUT I was selling the car not keeping it for myself... If I had been keeping it I probably would have rebuilt the used motor myself prior to installing it...

Edit: before someone jumps in and says that's an unethical thing to do to sell a car... I compression tested it, it checked out fine, and it ran really good... I just did not want to keep the car after all that had happened... and it wasn't like I made a killing on it either, I let it go way less than it was worth and disclosed the fact that the engine was not original and was a used engine. I could not have sold the car not running...

If you want the reliabilty and a good warranty buy the jasper engine. it is guaranteed to work. Ibought one and it lasted. Also, how much is shipping if youbuy a used motor somewhere? If you have the money do that. The installed will take care of everything.

Repair the motor or swap in another b16. If your son isn't being responsible with the car either make him pay for it or sell it and buy him a slower, older, less appealing car. (My first car was a 97 escort, my dad bought it for me for $500 and it was the slowest POS on the road but it was reliable and gas efficiant and I payed the low insurance costs as well as any repairs done to it, really tought me how to take care of my own car without destroying my parents wallets, had that car 3 years then bought my civic) Good luck with whatever you do, I'm sure you'd be able to sell the car quick if it comes to that

**** Hmotorsonline they sold me a low compression motor...... all the rings were toasted.. i foudn this out like a few weeks later after it got in my car.....

ORIGINAL: Roadkillboy0

i take back my first post here because it happened to be a drunk friends post.

the accident that was mentioned could also be a freak accident. i know for a fact that even if your driving slow in nasty weather stuff can happen. so cut the guy some slack and help him out. Civic Si 00 you are a fag.



Hatting because if we get 2 race I would smoke you like nothing......

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

ORIGINAL: Roadkillboy0

i take back my first post here because it happened to be a drunk friends post.

the accident that was mentioned could also be a freak accident. i know for a fact that even if your driving slow in nasty weather stuff can happen. so cut the guy some slack and help him out. Civic Si 00 you are a fag.



Hatting because if we get 2 race I would smoke you like nothing......


you are the biggest p.o.s. i have seen in a while. reasons:
1. people that are way more knowledgeable about cars/motors etc and add performance products to their engines destroy their motors quite often... shi.t happens
2. taking care of your car doesn't necessarily mean that some freak accident won't happen
3. you know nothing about this kid and you are calling him retarded... and saying it to his dad, nonetheless
4. civic si's may be nice, but its not the best car in the world

you just need to shutup and quit being a douche for no reason. there is no reason for you to flame someone asking for help. if that's what you are in to, then go join honda-tech and leave hcf.

Plantman you can try www.junkyarddog.com and search for your son's motor. also, sometimes your local mechanic can find a block for cheaper than the local junkyards. i know after i bought the motor that i just put in my 03, a local mechanic found blocks with half the mileage of my new block for like $200 (i paid $700 for complete motor, trans, and ecu). my motor is definitely not as sought after as the b16a2, but its still possible that the mechanic can find a better deal than you can with all of his resources on parts. i hope your son has better luck and you guys get the car rolling again.

I appreciate the responses and attempt at advice.

He will be paying for the repairs, even if it has to be little by little. He is in college and only works part time, so I can't expect to get paid all at once.

He still owes me about 800 from his last fiasco, which he has to pay me before he can think of getting his car back. He has almost that much saved up and I will be getting that today or Monday.

I did not buy him the car, he bought it with money his grandmother had been saving up since he was young and he put in the rest.

The old engine cracked a piston rod and the inner wall of the cylinder was all gouged up, so I ordered one from hmotorsonline which arrived in 2 days from California, pretty impressive.

I was hoping it would get here next week. It's almost ready to go and should be done today. Cost me 995 for a motor with supposedly 40k miles on itplus 200 for shipping.

Since he will not be getting the car back for awhile, I am thinking of putting it up for sale and start over with something else that isn't quite as tempting for theives, expensive to insure and a magnet for problems.

BTW, the reason he blew the engine was no oil. Apparently, in his infinite wisdom, he didn't understand what those two marks on th dipstick were.

Thanks
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ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

Hatting because if we get 2 race I would smoke you like nothing......


Dont post in this thread again, Thanks!

oil starvation...yeah, pretty much the new engine was in order...

Thanks for clearing that up. :) Good luck with the repairs. If you DO decide to sell it, it should be pretty easy to find a buyer.

buddy, it is hater, not hatter and a site administrator just told you to stop posting in this thread. so stop.
use this as an oppurtunity to check what you are posting before you do it. if you don't you can be banned from ever posting on this site again.
whether you want the privelege or not is up to you, but at least show some respect to the site and the individuals who operate it and provide the service we all use and enjoy.

i wish he would be banned, i haven't seen him offer anything helpful on this forum yet

here look this web- site they sell use engines


www.munleeauto.com

I just went throught this thread and removed a lot of posts. If youre going to post immature things that dont have anything to do with helping the author of the post, keep it to yourself. Thank you.

ORIGINAL: Civic Si 00

ORIGINAL: Roadkillboy0

i take back my first post here because it happened to be a drunk friends post.

the accident that was mentioned could also be a freak accident. i know for a fact that even if your driving slow in nasty weather stuff can happen. so cut the guy some slack and help him out. Civic Si 00 you are a fag.



Hatting because if we get 2 race I would smoke you like nothing......


HAHAHA my 7 year old brother spells better than you man.... and who gives a crap if you can beat my 1989 honda civic si. congrats to you. you will beat a 16+ year old car.