hey gunz, i just tried that rolling down the window thing.... didn't alarm...uh oh.. btw, sorry sfazngiants for butting in your thread here...

starting to have expensive stuff on the car now.. looks like i'm going to ask your opinion on which one you are getting pretty soon..

 

since you are getting more expensive things in your car you should upgrade your alarm system to an aftermarket 2 way paging system. I personally don't trust factory alarms. i am going to give the clifford 50.5 a shot if no one replies

 

well as to accessoeries.... the typical extras for a nice car is, a tilt sensor to protect your wheels, and a glass breakage sensor, and one of those small sirens under the dash. thats all ive ever added.

but the two alarms are VERY SIMILAR!

 

is there a reason why you chose viper over clifford? also where do i find these accessories? i can only find on ebay. one more thing, the description says 4 aux output, does that mean i can add up to four accessories.

these are add ons i want to get:
506T Glass Breakage Sensor
513T Mini Piezo Siren
507T/507M Tilt Motion Sensor (whats the difference between 507T and 507M?)

what else should i get? Thanks Addiction2Bass for all the help

 

well i buy most my stuff off ebay best prices... ya just have to check there feedback and see how good they are or how bad they are by their feedback
im not sure about the tilt sensors. i have a just add on tilt sensor.
http://cgi.ebay.com/DIGITAL-TILT-SEN...d=p3286.c0.m14

that is my typical ebay alarm guy. very nice wiring diagrams supplied and there paging alarms ive used worked great! only one i didnt care for was the one with the color lcd display remote... its glare was horible making it practicaly imposible to see outside plus it used a Lamborghini for the car pictures. was kinda tacky ya know.LOL

as to why i pick the brand... well mainly the siren the siren is smaller on the viper so easier to hide it. the 2 alarms are VERY SIMILAR! in fact if you look at the wire harnesses and everything almost everything will plug into the other! only typical difference is the alarms brain shape and logo, and also with the remote control. everything else is the same.
and tho they mostly ALL SAY 1mile paging distance trust me its no where near that!!!! maybe a block or two or less depending on the weather and obsticles in the path of the signals.

and as to the 4 outputs. typicaly you only use 1 or 2 max... remember its a OUTPUT and those are just negative outputs.
the extra siren is a simple conection just wire it with the first siren. no problem! and the glass breakage sensor and tilt sensor both use negative trigger outputs from the sensors to activate the alarms TRIGGER. and most alarms have quite a few triggers you can use! you only need one input trigger..... simply use a few diodes, one on each additional sensor that that there is no feedback from like the tilt sensor going to the glass sensor. very simply! you can buy the diodes at any radio shack


when the alarm talks about outputs. those control such things as power trunk release, remote power window modules, sunroof module. those work by you pressing a sequince of buttons on the remote control to operate that trunk release, like holding the AUX button for about 2-3seconds and then it activates the ground output which activates a relay you wire up to change the negative pulse into a positive pulse to activate the actual trunk latch motor.
they have a few different outputs but you have to program them thru the brain and wire them up to the appropriate wire.

basicaly SENSORS use alarm inputs, MODULES use alarm outputs

no problem. ill try to help ya out. if you can cut and crimp some wires then you can do the instal yourself and save a weeks paycheck and spend it on something extra for the car or your girl

 

I have a clifford.

 

what brand add on's does that guy sell, are they universal ones or directed (DEI)? very detail explanation, thanks. i see what you mean. should i get back up battery also (520T)? I want to get the clifford 50.5 so would the glass sensor, piezo siren, tilt sensor, and back up battery all hook up to the clifford, or is there too many sensors? what exactly does the back up battery do? i have a general idea, but exactly sure how it will work. one more thing, should i get 2 of those mini piezo sirens or would one be enough. and will they work if someone decides to cut the alarm wire.

 

well any sensor will work with any alarm. if you want the clifford go for it. every sensor typicaly has 3 wires coming off it. one POWER, one GROUND, and one wire goes to the alarms input wire triggers. the power and ground wires wire up to any battery source and piece of metal for ground like always be sure they are fused and your golden.

as to the battery backup. na... IMO they are not needed. if someone wants your car they will get it. your just preventing the amature @ssholes.
one downfall about sirens... if you can stuff a towel/rag around the sirens opening... it turns the siren into a wisper sound.... and to the siren is what alerts most people around the area and all it takes is cuting one of the siren wires going to that siren.

and just the brain of the alarm if they can reach the wires and they VISABLY DO NOT BELONG thats where the thief will start to cut or rip out.....
so if your engine bay looks like this... which wire do you think goes to the siren


LOL yes the little red wire. ya i was to lazy to do it right on my 99 plus i ran out of wire so its still like that to this day.LOL

for under the hood use black wire to keep it less visable and zip tie or tape the wire around the factory wire looms or even inside the wire loom where visable.

and as to under the dash after all the wires are conected and the alarm is FULLY TESTED OUT THEN you can bust out the electrical tape once again and tape up every inch of ALL of your new wires. this will make it hard to see if the thief just looks under the dash it will all look like stock wires, and SECOND locate the alarms brain HIGH in the dash!!!! as high as you can and zip tie all the wires and the brain high up in the dash as well so that no one can just pull the wires/brain down.
the way i do it i pull the knee brace under the colum and run the wires around it and zip tie the alarm wires to that brace. it will keep the wires TIGHT and out of reach as well as keep the alarms brain being able to reached even if they rip the plastic trim off the lower dash



o ya and to the piezo sirens.....its all personal preference.... they are not needed, or you could just put one under the dash so if the thief tries to duck under the dash the loud piercing output from the sirenn will make it very hard to concentrate.LOL or you can go all out nuts and put them ALL OVER THE CAR! my friend at work had 6 on the car!!!! afew on the outside and a few on the inside... way OVERKILL IMO! lol

and just like the siren under the hood you want to mount the sirens where it is hard to reach even for you!!!!. you can always hide them behind the front bumper cover, behind splash guards... but to be the loudest you want the siren to have a output so it doesnt muffle the sound. i like behind the bumper cover around the fog light areas or grill opening, just put them to the side alittle so it keeps most the water off of it.

 

i am thinking about the putting the piezo siren under the dash somewhere. does these siren have it's own backup battery? i m mainly going to get the tilt and glass sensors, where do i place these sensors? are there more sensors available that are useful? i sort of want to go all out on this system.

 

no the sirens are just powered off the alarms siren output...
so to the sensors the glass and tilt are the only additional ones needed to help the most!
the only 2 other ones i know about are "air pressure" and motion/proximity.
the air pressure well not needed i wouldnt think. theres only 2 ways to get into a car, one breaking glass to get thru the window or opening the door, the glass breakage will help the glass and the factory door pins will protect the doors

and the proximity sensor is total crap if you tint your windows! the tint blocks jsut about all the abilty to sense. and also to false trigger ALOT if you park around a tree and its windy out!!!!!! been there threw that sensor away!

tho the window modules are pretty cool if you have power windows or sunroof! some of the modules will crack the windows and roll them either all the way down or up. and some roll up the windows when you arm the system. only downfall there is if someone is close to your car and they simply hold the window down alittle the module will kick out the power thinking its fully closed and your window is down... or if your window tracks are dry and hard the modules will usualy kick out thinking its closed as well. i had that problem as well, but after oiling up the window tracks then it worked properly.
BUT if you dont have power windows....LOL well obviously...