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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:45 PM
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I have a 96EX SOHC Vtec. The vtec kicks in about 5500rmps, and I want to lower to say 4000rpms. I have I/H/E. Is there a vtec controller that someone recomends, or should I go with the vafc? Do I need a different cam? My buddies teggie has a vafc and his vtec kicks in at 3500rpms.

Having vtec from 5500 to 7000 rpms is nice, but that stretch in the 4000 range is where I lose most of the race...
 

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:58 PM
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Okay, so you have I/H/E and vafc.

Your stock rpm for VTEC to engage was about 5500.

So...
This is soooo extreme!!!

Set it to about 5500 rpms...






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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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i thought ive seen every spelling for vtec until now.
 
Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:06 PM
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i thought ive seen every spelling for vtec until now.
Have you seen it in Greek??
 
Old Oct 15, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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I have I/H/E and when Phearable made my chip I told them to just put VTEC engagement for what they thought was good. I later asked them what they set it to, and they said 5000RPM.

5000 is the stock number for you, and 4800 is the stock number for me (our engines are very similar). I think 5000RPM's (stock/pretty damn close to stock for me) must be a good number since that's what Phearable recommended.

Leave it alone.

VTEC doesn't just make the car faster by magic. It's not like you can set VTEC to 1000RPMs and then expect it to be faster. VTEC is only effective after a certain point in the powerband, and if you engage VTEC before that point you're actually making less power there than you would be if VTEC wasn't engaged.
 

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 04:35 PM
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Ever wonder why Honda put the VTEC engagement where they did?
 
Old Oct 15, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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^^ because all emissions tests go no higher than 5000rpms
 
Old Oct 15, 2008 | 05:14 PM
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^^ because all emissions tests go no higher than 5000rpms
it was a rhetorical question (at least i'm 99% sure it was)


the reason vtec is where it is is because that's what was the best point for it
 

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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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It would be very easy to see on a dyno graph if you sent vtec engangement to low you lose power and torque.
 
Old Oct 16, 2008 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by trustdestruction
I have I/H/E and when Phearable made my chip I told them to just put VTEC engagement for what they thought was good. I later asked them what they set it to, and they said 5000RPM.

5000 is the stock number for you, and 4800 is the stock number for me (our engines are very similar). I think 5000RPM's (stock/pretty damn close to stock for me) must be a good number since that's what Phearable recommended.

Leave it alone.

VTEC doesn't just make the car faster by magic. It's not like you can set VTEC to 1000RPMs and then expect it to be faster. VTEC is only effective after a certain point in the powerband, and if you engage VTEC before that point you're actually making less power there than you would be if VTEC wasn't engaged.
Phearable makes some pretty horrible basemaps. It's sad my old ECU runs my new built/turbo civic better than my new one from phearable which makes the car run so rich it fouls the plugs, has vacuum loss and 90% powerloss, not to mention the black smoke it made my car puff...Put in the old one, no more problems! Not impressed with their basemaps.
 



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