have u guys seen that video called loose change? its hard to believe that our own gov't would do that?! but then again gov't is all f***** up anyways. imo i believe that the ppl who were on the planes got paid to start there lives over like in russia or something, but srry guys i had arguments over this at work all day, what do u guys think?

 

Ok I found the right thread...lemmie copy paste.

" Who was actually behind one of the wost tragedies in American history? Was it Osama? Sadam? or Bush?

You going to believe the man that lied to get us into a war? Weapons of mass distruction? No.

Iraq linked with 9/11...nope: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nm1lVP7lI...ed&search=

Now its between Osama and Bush.

None of us truly know WHO it was, including me. I would like to believe it was Osama, but there are a few questions that truly bug me. Someone please give me the answers, so I can go back to not thinking our own government would kill thousands of its citizens.



1.)How did the debris of flight 93 get scattered over 8 miles of Pennsylvania if it did not start to break apart in the air?


2.)The presence of molten metal found burning at ground zero for up to a month after the attacks suggest the use of explosives and of Thermate. Why wasn’t this investigated?



3.)After the attacks, Bin Laden denied any involvement through credible sources numerous times. However, a video tape found in Afghanistan by an unnamed source and released by the pentagon was the only evidence against him. Why would Bin Laden confess on a video tape after stating so clearly that he was not involved, and why does the person in that video look so different than all previous pictures of Bin Laden?



4.)It is physically impossible for the WTC towers to have fallen so quickly (Just under the speed of free fall in a vacuum), with no frictional resistance, without the bottom floors instantly and simultaneously giving out. So why wasn’t the possibility of a controlled demolition investigated?



5.)Why did the FBI start collecting metal scraps immediately after the crash at the pentagon instead of conducting an onsite forensic investigation? Considering the controversy surrounding what exactly hit the Pentagon, why hasn’t any of the wreckage, or any of the 85 confiscated local surveillance tapes been released to prove it was a Boeing 757 (AA flight 77)?



6.)How much control did Marvin Bush (the president’s youngest brother) have in the electronic security decisions involving the World TradeCenter, and Dulles Airport? Why hasn’t his connection been investigated, considering the apparent security failures in 2 of his security company’s contracts on the same day? What about his connection to the company providing the insurance for the WTC? Did the contract really end on September 11th 2001?



7.)Why did WTC building 7 collapse into its own footprint even though it wasn’t hit by any planes? Why was molten metal found under it also, just like WTC 1 and 2?



8.)Why did NORAD and other US air defenses appear to stand down on 911?



9.)How were all the “black boxes” of both planes never found at the WTC towers, yet a passport of one of the alleged terrorists was found undamaged within minutes after the crash near ground zero?



10.)Some of the people on the FBI’s list of 19 hijackers have been shown to be alive and had nothing to do with 911. Where did the FBI get those names, and how did they get them so quickly, considering they didn’t appear on any of the passengers lists?



11.)Why has the official version of events put forth in the weeks after the attacks never been fundamentally challenged by the mainstream media or the 911 commission?


http://conspiracyclothes.com

If this has sparked your interest, watch some videos:

Loose Change: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luF...ed&search=

Don't let the killers on these innocent people get away scott free.


RIP all who died. "

 

2.)The presence of molten metal found burning at ground zero for up to a month after the attacks suggest the use of explosives and of Thermate. Why wasn’t this investigated?

A: Because two planes with tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel hit it. There was plenty of fuelin the building (paper,cloth,wood, drywall) andwith plently of insulation above itfrom the collapse,itcould have been a mini furnaceenough support a very hot fire capable of melting steel

4.)It is physically impossible for the WTC towers to have fallen so quickly (Just under the speed of free fall in a vacuum), with no frictional resistance, without the bottom floors instantly and simultaneously giving out. So why wasn’t the possibility of a controlled demolition investigated?

A: Not according to three of my physics teachers. Buildings with an exoskeleton frame can fall at that rate if significantly damaged. Theimpact caused a shockwave through the building already weakening the frame below it. Not only that, butthe way the building was designed, it was not just one floor falling at a time, it wasmultiple floors collapsing at the sametime. If i remember the Loose Change video correctly,they use the fact that each floor fell seperately to come upwith there"Just under the speed of a free fall in a vaccuum" figure. But if you consider 5 floors were falling at the same time, it makes sense that it fell so quickly. Also, keep in mind that they interviewed one person about this... and he is qualified how to make this accusation.

3.)After the attacks, Bin Laden denied any involvement through credible sources numerous times. However, a video tape found in Afghanistan by an unnamed source and released by the pentagon was the only evidence against him. Why would Bin Laden confess on a video tape after stating so clearly that he was not involved, and why does the person in that video look so different than all previous pictures of Bin Laden?

A: He needed time to run. Why don't murders first admit they killed people when questioned by authorities... they want time to run. He needed time to run so he could continue his terrorist beliefs without being arrested by authorities.


5.)Why did the FBI start collecting metal scraps immediately after the crash at the pentagon instead of conducting an onsite forensic investigation? Considering the controversy surrounding what exactly hit the Pentagon, why hasn’t any of the wreckage, or any of the 85 confiscated local surveillance tapes been released to prove it was a Boeing 757 (AA flight 77)?

A: There was one tape that was realeased and that was the one in that video. As for the others, they are edvidence and how come not all the edvidence is released to the public in various investigations all throughout the US for even a simple tax invasion case? Because it is not any of your business. Just because the US gov't has the tapes, does not make them automatically up for anyone to see.NOt only that, butthe pentagon is abuilding with high security and they wouldnt want these tapes getting in the hands of the wrong people (terrorists). But, I can tell you I know someone that saw the plane hit pentagon... case closed. Granted, if the news stations were not there with footage of planes smacking the WTC buildings, they probably would have called them missles too.

Another thing that video brought up that I found very thoughtless was the fact that they mentioned the owner of the WTC "took out a $$$ insurance policy on the building... protecting it from terroristic attacks"---
That's simple... his insurance policy was soon expiring so he had to renew it. Just because your insurance was about to expire on your house or your cars would you just let it expire or renew it? And of course he would add protection against terrorist attacks on it, the basement was bombed not long before and he has two of the tallest buildings in Manhattan on his hands... of course this guy wants only the best insurance policy.

One thing we have to keep in mind when watching these videos is that they are conspiracy videos, strongly based on the question, "What if...?" and they continue from that. If you, yourself, can include that even one of the theories presented is B.S., than you have to question the entire video. Also, one must keep in mind that this video wants you to think the government was behind the attacks, so it will do the best it can to persuade you. And the video questions why the gov't do anything about them making the video... why bother? For the attention? If the gov't made a big scene about the video then it would have to have been true because the gov't is trying to stop it... and I bet they would have put that in there too.

I am not anti-gov't or 100% for everything the gov't has done, but the truth is there is not a whole lot the gov't can give out to make people happy. People have to accept the fact that this edvidnce is top secret and even though the 9/11 Comission published their findings, investigations are still ongoing. People want answers, but we can't know everything. And, if someone is that unhappy with the gov'tthan move to China where the gov't tells you that you may only have one child, or go support Al-Qaeda and walk around with a bomb-belt, but in the meantime... I'd say let the gov't do there job... which is not telling everybody everything that they know. I am not asking for an argument on a forum board, rather just expressing my own view on that video. And this is going to be like one of those political topics that will forever be argued until you are blue in the face until the goverment says " Yes, we did it!", but if they did not do anything, would you still want them to say it just so you could have peace-of-mind?

 

Man you guys shut up, you seen live video of planes hitting the 3 buildings and the wreckage of the one in PA. The poeple's names on those planes were not made up, they are in fact dead. Their families know so.

 

so what your trying to say is the president planned the attack...? hahahahaha. Alright, first of all, its people like you that talk trash about our freedom and the way we are doing things to make it irritating for the rest of the normal people. I hate people who say, "ah we shouldnt of gone to war in iraq!". Uh, why? Would you rather sit back and watch more planes hit houses and sh*t? And a nuclear war start? you think 9-11 was bad, if we didnt get in there and listened to all the tree huggers then most of america wouldnt be the land of the free anymore. The army is the army because the people in the army chose to be IN THE ARMY. They are fighting for the people that live in america, we are kickin their a** because they messed with us. Now im not saying Bush is the greatest president in the world, lately hes been goin alittle downhill....but im a republican and his decision with going into iraq i dont regret. Yea we lost lives in iraq, but we could of lost a lot more sitting on our a**es wondering what that flying white thing is in the air until we all die. If your with Michael Moore than go eat donughts with him and have a farting contest while you think of another way to make fun of the government. Oh and if you say something about complaining about the Katrina case, we told the idiots to get out. They chose to stay in their houses, not my fault, not the governments. And then they have the nerve to say bush is a n*gg*r hater because he didnt evacuate every person personally from a plane and do the impossible, anddo everything while they sit on their a**es. Stop trying to make plots that it was us that attacked ourselves, thats retarded. Thats more retarded then saying dont go to war in iraq, lets keep getting bombed it makes me coffee warm without getting up to put it in the microwave because im a lazy american

 

See I dont agree with that either. The American public was lied to in order to go to war. I am not saying that we could just bring all the troops home but it is a proven fact that terrorist activities is up nearly 80% through out the world and it is also proven that Iraq and/or it's officials had no ties to terrorist groups. Sure Saddam did bad things but has anyone thought maybe that is what it takes to keep those crazies overthere in line? Also President Bush went to war w/o the approval of congress. I know the terrorist came over here and killed over 2700 people, I feel for those directly affected by this but we as in our troops(which I dont blame as they have orders) have went over there and killed over 1,000,000 people.

Bush in fact has done what the terrorist did in Iraq but has done it over 370 times worse. Him, Rice, Rumsfeild(sp?), Cheaney, The CIA guy that retired, and a few other top officials both still in office and retired should under the laws that everyone else in the U.S. has to followshould be in ****ing jail.

 

+1 with marty. I mean, i dont think its right what bush did, but honestly, I wouldnt want to live over tehre. As messed up as this country can be, we have a great life whether you want to admit it or not. would you guys like to live over there?

 

no one can explain building 7.......


end of discussion.

 

i cant believe that people start this conspiracy crap...if you dont like how many freedoms youre given in this country (which are more than any other country in the world) then GTFO.

while i understand that its difficult for a 17 year old child to understand how a HUGE plane slamming into a building, twice, in the same area, could cause those buildings to fall, but take some engineering classes...or better yet, stack up 10 coke cans on top of each other. now throw a baseball into the can second from the top. do only those top cans fall? probably not. are there explosives in the bottom cans? probably not.

do people who run their dumbass mouths about the government blowing up the trade centers have any idea what theyre talking about? probably not.

 

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good post Patrick