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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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I would have to say I am not against the death penalty but each case is diff. and in my opinion it depends not only on the violent nature of the case but also the facts in each case as well.
 
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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I am against the death penelty, I think there are ways the government can use the man power in the jail system in a produtive manner.
 
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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Remember the little saying by Mohandas Gandhi- "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Put that in your pipe and smoke it lol.

A good movie that kind of has the same theme as this is 12 angry men.
Its an old black and white movie, but its very similar to this case. Look it up, or watch it.
 
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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I am against the death penelty, I think there are ways the government can use the man power in the jail system in a produtive manner.
I've always wondered why they haven't consider this a little more. They could do wonders (in a safe and controlled environment). We would actually get something constructive out of the justice system.

And to RonJ,
I stated not to argue with me in a childish manner like many people do (i.e. stating that I'm wrong with their emotions as their solitary means of defense in the argument). I'm never opposed to constructive debate. But there is a difference in debating and arguing, one is considering all the facts and the other does not, respectively. A lot of people over the internet argue over simple concepts that are fundamentally the same, but people can't interpret the info from each opposing side correctly. That's why I stated it's my input, not an argument.
 
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bigolsackapoo
Remember the little saying by Mohandas Gandhi- "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Put that in your pipe and smoke it lol.
If the whole world were blind, don't you think they deserve it considering they committed the same act as the prosecuted? Not that the world is not already blind with our misconstrued judgment these days.
 
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ej6buddy
If the whole world were blind, don't you think they deserve it considering they committed the same act as the prosecuted? Not that the world is not already blind with our misconstrued judgment these days.
I think that blinding the whole world due to violation of a law suggests that the law probably needs to be changed.
 
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ
I think that blinding the whole world due to violation of a law suggests that the law probably needs to be changed.
Or that society needs to change. For instance (hypothetically) just because everyone in the world has killed another person in the past, that doesn't mean that the murder laws need to be revoked because everyone is guilty of murder, it means WE need to change.
 
Old Oct 27, 2008 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ
The fact of the matter is that state execution, in its current form, is actually more expensive than a life-in-prison sentence.



I completely understand your reaction. I have had similar feelings when hearing and reading about awful, violent crimes. State execution is clearly a controversial, hot-button topic. Pitts' essay unambiguously states his personal position/opinion on the subject and supports it with hard facts. He writes with incredible clarity, so I thought that posting his essay would help shed light on his side of this controversial topic.

By the way, all opinions are welcome. Let's not turn this into a flame session. Maybe we'll get some interesting, intelligent discussion from this thread.
Yeah i realize it's more expensive, but why? Why do they have to make it expensive? Like i said, buy a bullet, load a gun, bang. Dead. Feel bad for him? Well maybe he shouldn't have murdered someone.

No flaming here, just my opinion Yes, he did make his points very clear, but him saying it's "wrong" is completely an opinion. Now this is clearly a controversial topic, and i consider myself a very understanding person when it comes to arguments and debating but this is one topic that i find it hard to understand the argument for keeping a (proved) murdered alive. Ooh you feel bad? It's taking a human life? Everyone deserves a second chance? You think it's immoral and cruel? Yeah, well you don't think his victims family is crushed, you think he took into consideration his victims lives? His victim can't have a second chacne becasue he's DEAD. You think killing the muderer is cruel and immoral? Well do you think he killed his victim is a kind and moral way? Please show me a way to kill someone thats not "wrong".

Again, all of this is if there is a solid proof (like Gene said). If he's proved guilty through forensics, what good is coming from keeping him alive? Bang.

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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ej6buddy
If the whole world were blind, don't you think they deserve it considering they committed the same act as the prosecuted? Not that the world is not already blind with our misconstrued judgment these days.
i lied. Not done yet

+1 for ej6. Don't we all want to live by the golden rule? Isn't that what society should be based around? You killed somebody? So thats clearly how you want to be treated right since we live by the golden rule right? Well then....hello death penalty!

i do believe every case is different, but i don't see the good of keeping muderers alive in prison for the rest of their lives. I'm talking proved murderers, not people accused by witnesses. in the original post, i think that guy should be held alive until proven guilty or innocent. That is pretty ridiuclous that they are putting him to death strictly on witness accounts, so i'll give the OP that. But if they prove him guilty? Well, you know what i want.
 

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Old Oct 27, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ
In my opinion, this would represent a step backwards because cheap would equate to even more of the types of mistakes that Pitts points out in his essay. Public executions just seem barbaric to me in that violent death would become a twisted form of public entertainment.
A step backwards because of what? It's more reasonable? It's cheaper? Not only does the murderer die, but people get to see him be killed, and you don't think that might convince somebody not to murder? After watching somebody publically killed, anybody would be hot on murderering someone and getting the same treatment?

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I hate when people throw the damn "race" card in.
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