i should point out, that to get anywhere NEAR the power that fallfast is talking about, you have to spend a FORTUNE...and even then, youre paying that much just to make power similar to stock GT mustangs.

i obviously read ALOT about how powerful the 3.8 is, and aside from the guys who make a living doing it (with fully built engines), ive never seen any proof of this what-so-ever.

ive done some reading on one built, blown3.8, and hes still only making around 300whp...that is not, at all, impressive...especially considering what is spent. there are tons of guys at MF who go on and on about how powerful the 3.8 is, yet those same guys spend their time buying parts that dont do anything, only to trade up to a GT the second that they can talk their parents into it...

 

You do not need to have a built engine (minus supporting mods such as fuel system) to run 300RWHP. Procharger puts out a unit that puts you out at 300rwhp for about $4,100. That iscomplete bolt-on system. www.tmaturbo.com has afew excellent turbo systems and clients on thier site aswell.

Here is a link to a dynograph page at TMATURBO.com. There are a few pretty much stock cars running good #'s.
One is...

 

so why are such a huge number of the V6 mustangs pig slow if they can be made blinding fast witha snap of the fingers?

im sure that youre well aware of the V6 that im talking about...who spent 15g to make "around 300whp"...

people insisting that the 3.8 is this dream modding engine, and basing that opinion on the fact that there are a handful of them which will get out of their own way is like me saying that my car is an excellent platform for modding since mine runs low 12s.

 

check my post again, i edited it while you posted.

But, who ever spent 15K and only got 13's outta it is a retard. Was that 15K including car aswell? A stock 99-04v6 will run mid 13's just fine with a 11PSI procharger. Here is one way to look at it. Please keep in mind these are estimates
99-04 v6(around 50K miles) $ 9,000
11psi procharger(Full parts and Install)$ 5,000
TOTAL $14,000

14K for a car that can run mid to high 13's. Now, throw in a possi and some 3.73's and that car can possibly do low 13's. It is like anything. If you know where to put the money, you will get the gains you want.

 

you dont know who im talking about??

 

No sorry i don't. What was this guy saying??

 

how many blown V6s do we have at MF, who would go on about how strong it is, yet have no real performance numbers...and would talk about how much he spends on it?

 

I don't know, but it sounds like the guy is talking BS. Anyone should know though that if you put 15grand into just upgrading your engine, you can make any car pretty damn fast. As i said earlier, you have to know what your doing and where your money is going. Now he might of spent that money into other things such as upgrading to an 8.8 rearend, forged internals, upgrading breaks, exterior mods, etc. Needless to say it doesn't take 15K to make a fast v6. Get some type of F/I and your good. The 3.8 is a strong, reliable block that can take abuse. They have had a long long time to get rid of any kinks the engine had because they have used it in numerous cars for numerous years.
Now for performance aspect it is a great engine that gets overlooked because it is smaller. Yes the 8 is an easier platform to start with performance wise, and usually people with that in mind build those up. The v6 is known to be a car for younger drivers, or people who don't care about going fast. The ones that end up wanting to go fast either slowly build it up or just sell it. I just think its nice to see something different then another supercharged 8. I would think especially the civic crowd could relate to this. For the faster ones here, how many times do you guys beat a car that thought they could take you no problem?? I bet the look on thier faces are priceless. Well this is what the v6 crowd is doing too!

 

the individual of which i am speaking hasnt spent 15k on the motor..he has wasted it on the car as a whole. i am pretty sure that you know who im talking about..youre just being coy...

you are right that civic owners face a similar issue as V6 mustang owners, but i think that it is two different types of groups.

civic owners are taking "economy cars", which arent meant to be fast (until more recently), and they are building them up. v6 mustang owners are taking a car that is supposed to be fast but isnt, and then paying to make it less slow. V6 mustang owners are typically a group of people who want the "look" of a mustang more than the performance.

and 300whp only makes a car fast if it weighs2000 pounds...but i understand that "fast" is different to different people.im making around 360whp, and i wouldnt call my car "fast"...just faster than most.

 

I agree with pretty much everything you said. To me, anything that runs mid to low 13s is fast. That type of time pretty much lets you own the general public on the road. What you said about the v6 is true, most people that buy them are just buying them for looks, less for insurence,and the slight difference in MPG. It wasn't until recently that the v6 came from the factory with decent power, especially now that they can hit mid to low 14s with bolt-ons. I have been in some fast cars, one was a 95 skyline and that car was fun. The only car that i have been in that was FAST was a 03 Cobra. That thing was sick. As you said though, people get different cars for different reasons, and it comes down to the owner in what they wanna do with it.