NY Times update 4:

Problems with the Union indeed seem to have center stage in the current roadblock to a bailout plan:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/13/bu.../13uaw.html?hp

 

outlaw the unions

 

It will be interesting to see whether the U.A.W. even survives this crisis and, if so, whether it will be substantially weakened.

 

how do most of the workers, even believe that they are worth what they make. they do factory jobs making engineer money. it was bound to fail. if their product fails, where will the money come from.

 

That's an interesting question, I'm working for my engineering degree and i'm not even looking at making what they were making, lol. It pisses me off i'm kickin' my *** in school to find out that there are no jobs point blank period. I guess it's not that bad of a thing to get a college degree(s) and get a job at mickey D's...

 

You could move to saskatchewan. Potash corporation is creating 14000 jobs in the next... 4 years. Average wage is supposedly 100K/year.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...rce_login=true

 

Dam son, that's good find, but i prefer staying close to home, it's one of the drawbacks.

 

The UAW worker make on average $2 an hour less than none union workers in plants for Acura/Honda, Nissan, and Toyota. I honestly dont understand what these people see in the UAW? After the life time of union dues they could have invested into a 401k and came out better off I just dont understand.

 

union is a joke, they should get rid of it. They create way too much.

I am for free market. Forget these idiots Car companies. They failed and its not our job to go clean up their mess

We are a capitalist society. In about 10 years span someone will come over and buy over the companies and head it to a new direction. That is what happens in a free market, there is someone out there that will replace you.

 

Toyota Wants GM saved.
http://robots.cnnfn.com/2008/12/15/n...ion=2008121516