I concur.

 

i read a lot.

 

i read a lot too. thats why im able to help a bit with new ppl coming in after only 8 months of being into civics.

 

vtec.net dyno'd a new SI and got 212.3hp at the hubs, should factor out to be around 190 to 195 at the wheels meaning the cars are by far beating the 197 crank hp numbers put out there. The K20Z is kinda like a hybrid of the K24 and K20A, using the same displacement, block, head as the K20 but incorperating DBW(Drive By Wire) tech like the K24's. The new EX which has the D series replacement R18 in it was dyno'd at 138 at the hubs meaning a 15 or so hp jump in what is said to be 140 crank hp from the factory. This puts the ex at ep si levels or slightly above 99/00 si levels because the tq is some what better than the B16's.

The Civic EX stock are damn close to sub-8 second 0-60 times (8.2 to 8.5 range) meaning it should be great when modded being the engines have almost the same bore x stroke as the B18B's with a timing chain reather than a belt. Should be a good car to boost because of the sohc I-Vtec head and Hondata is allready ripping stock EX and SI ecu open to mess with.

Should be a better car all around than any other civic put out. The only thing that I dont like is the weight, at a 2800lb curb weight for the EX it is a bit heavy

 

so you think i could be able to put an 05 si motor into my 01 ex? if so that would be f'in sick!

 

Yea sure with the money, time, help to do it sure. Worth it....only time will tell. The K20A's are great engines that take very very well to mods and ecu tunning. On top of that you have the option of the K24/K20 hybrid combo that gives more displacement.

What is more impressive is the D series replacement being in stock form they are putting numbers out that the K20A3's and B16A's do also all from a SOHC design with a timming chain, ind. coil packs, and still with the stroke that allows the ability to go up in the revs if the aftermarket decides to accept them better than the D17's.

Honda is going the right way. A new NSX is due to come out in 09 with AWD and a DOHC V10 VTEC engine. They are thinking of bringing the Fit/Jazz to the U.S., and they are still keeping things priced right. The new SI is slated to be loaded and still under $21,000 which is great being all the stuff it offers

 

i would love to see the Fit take the place of the older civics as a fun lightweight. i heard it would be starting around 12k if they brought it over. if thats the case, then when the 86 becomes unstreetable, maybe ill look into that as a new DD.

 

Yea, I like the idea of modding an insight. Take the damn wheel cover things on the back off and loose all the batteries and put a K20A in it. That = like a 1400lb car with a K woo hooo

 

a new NSX would be sic

 

not only the light weight, but the aerodynamics are outrageous too.