Ok heres the third post in a few minutes but I have alot on my mind and no one answer my questions, I like the look of lowered vehicles My second car was a 95 full size chevy truck lowered 5/7 on 17s and that was before 20's were really out so i was rolling big. Any way I want to lower the civic like 2-2.5 inches but I don't want to spend more on the suspension than the car so how far can I lower without having to do all the costly stuff like new struts and camber kit and such. I also saw were someone said stock struts will be short lived with lowering springs, is this really true? And the final question how cheap is too cheap? Ebay has springs from $50-$200 what less expensive brands are people satisfied with? oh and what size tires on 14" steelies if i drop it that much