My car is lowered and aligned...a few degrees of negative camber with NO correction or washers...tires fine now for 25,000 miles. I just don't get what's so hard to understand...she's not saying your tires don't have camber, she's saying it's IRRELEVENT.

 

[quote]ORIGINAL: mxs

That's the entire point! He didn't align the car, and the tires got trashed!
Are you saying you don't think the experiment works because one car was lowered 1.75" and one might have been lowered 2"? [quote]

That's the point, but he isn't comparing apples to apples. He says the first pic is from a car that was moderately aligned. In Eibach's ads, that'd be 1.5" (front). Extreme lowering according to spring manufacturers is normally 1.8"-2". Race springs lower 2.5+".

The "moderate" car didn't need a camber kit, but that what I've been saying all along! It's the 1.8"+ lowering that often need camber kits, according to my alignment guy.

The second pic (shown in my post) shows a tire on the car that was extreme-dropped, so you can't compare the first pic to the second. What was really needed was three pics:

1) extreme dropped, no alignment
2) extreme dropped, toe alignment only
3) extreme aligned, toe alignment and camber kit to keep camber within factory specs

Mileage before each pic would have to be the same or close.

Again, I'll double check with the alignment guy. He's been aligning dropped Hondas longer than most of us have lived, so let's see what he has to say.

 

The author also said he has owned 12 lowered Hondas, most lowered past 2", put a camber kit on none of them, got an alignment on 11 out of the 12, and only trashed the tires on the ONE that wasn't aligned. Does that mean anything to you?

 

so toe is the only thing we need to worry about if we don't want to buy tires too often.
who cares about camber right? who cares if its negative or positive
riiight?

 

my expereience:

dropped about 1.5" all around. no camber kit, got car aligned, had little camber wear but tires were fine. got the tires, which are Kumho Supras, with about half life. drove with that suspension and alignment specs for like a year and a halfand i still have the tires and their still fine because toe was set properly.

now im lowered probably around 2.5" or so. still no camber kit, aligned car myself, still have littlecamber wear but again, tires are fine.even lower than before witheven softer compound tires, i thought camber wear would be crazy but it isnt. the only tire that has been affected is the right rear tire that was toed in for just a few months. the tread depthon just about all of that tire is significantly less than the other tires. less than the camber wear on just the inside of those tires..

and this is my daily driver, weekend race car. literally drive the car every day miles and miles. probably strain the tires more than most here much faster and the compound is much softer than most ppls "high-performance" tires.

camber wear really is not bad at all. for our cars, camber kits arnt entirely necessary, even iflower than 1.5"...

 

Think about it. How long has the guy owned each Honda? One, maybe two years? How could he know what the long term effect is on his tires if he sells the car long before he wears out the tires? Now if he had 2 Hondas in the last 20 years, I'd say he knows what does what. In the meantime, I think I'd believe an alignment guy who's been aligning cars since 1964. Maybe you and the Honda guy are right; I'll find out within a couple of weeks when I query the owner.

 

Once again you are assuming things and just making stuff up. Obviously the facts and first-hand experience aren't enough to convince you, I'm done. Believe whatever you want.

 

that's funny, you'd think regardless of the time the tires were on the car, after 20,000 miles you'd notice excess wear...I guess the wear on my tires will magically show up when i hit the two year mark.

 

LMAO, this thread is painfull. My solution (not as though I need one, since camber isn't a real issue) are Nitto Neogen tires

 

so is it over now?