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I am A 30 y/o automotive tech.I have resently purchased a 93 civic ex(friend did not like it due to minor querks).This a new venture for a person who has never owned a honda product(other than lawn mower).Anyway...I have done many swaps on toyotas.Infact that's about all i have owned and worked on..I've done everything form street2strip,strip,etc.etc.Now....Since this thing is pretty much stock(No really,really!stock)I want a 13 or better civic.How much trouble is it?How much is it?Is it worth it with a D series block?I know bout the swaps that can be done....But I want to do it with what I gots.And can I do it and still get 30 mpg.rite now I've only got 600 bucks in the whole car.looking at building internals soon(I think I hear small knock in bottom end at higher rpm's)witch internals and who to buy from(I have some small resources here in Memphis.just not trusting what every one says..Especialy when they trying to sell me something)
Anyway I'm yammering...I like constructive crits.And If I need to move to another thread lmk.

B series swap then turbo. Get beefed up internals and run high boost on the strip for 13 sec on the strip. For 30 mpg, bring the boost way down and go really easy on the throttle and MAYBE you can get 30 mpg.

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B series swap then turbo. Get beefed up internals and run high boost on the strip for 13 sec on the strip. For 30 mpg, bring the boost way down and go really easy on the throttle and MAYBE you can get 30 mpg.



Can't you do the same thing to a d series and run low boost and acheive the same thing?I've seen a honda that freind of freind owned have t25 with bout 8 lbs on a stock bottom end do 13.3's for about "five passes".I don't think he had any thing done to top end either.

BTW,what is a block gerdle?Allso I noticed a pic of some ones motor that had a...........oil??pump??....It looks like it bolted up with the main carriers.I don't know how to explain.I'll see if I can find pic and post.

A D series running only 8 psi isnt even going to break 200 hp. A B16 or B18 engine has around 170 hp stock, so running 8 psi will easily bring you over 200.

OK...

horse power vs. et..............not going into that one........

SOHC vtec boosted...are the best!...doing the same thing....definatly can get a 13 second car out of that.....and also i know a guy who ran 10 lbs of boost and a 75 shot on a stock dx motor and it lasted a year...so you can definatly be good with a d series

yeah. i agree. its not always a good tell for ets. ive seen sohcs running mid 14s NA, and it was just some guy at the track, he was just running on street drag night. and his car looked almost stock. d motors are great for a sohc, so if youre determined to do it with a d motor, go for it. but know that there is no stock LSD option with a d-series. and you could drop in a b-series with a small power-adder (NOS, or a bolt-on turbo kit) and a type r tranny, and hit mid to low 13s. but a sohc will need more than a basic kit. you will want to beef the internals really well.

i dont know if youre ready to go full bore on this, or if you just want to run 13s and thats good enough. there are plenty of options. if you want to go full-out, then youll want Carillo rods. they are the cream of the crop. they are the McLaren F1 of c-rods. if not, then pick up a copy of honda tuning and check out the ads for any aftermarket rods. anything forged should be plenty strong to hit 13s. even get a set of b18 rods and you can get them machined down to fit into a d-series motor. then get them shotpeened. and they should be good for well over 300 horsepower. thats what i would do. the machining would cost (i think) under 100 bucks, not sure about the shotpeening though. do that and shotpeen and micropolish the crankshaft, along with chamfering the oil passages and take out the stock plugs in the crank and replace them with allen head set-screws with loctite. maybe look into posting the block or installing a blockguard. then look into a good set of JE pistons. there are 2 schools of thought on the CRs, low CR, and high boost. and MID CR with lower boost. i like the higher cr because it will give you way better low-end and faster spool-up. if you plan on driving it on the street very often, which it sounds like you do, as youre worried about gas mileage, go with about 9.5:1 compression pistons. but have the CR figured for the 96-00 sohc vtec head. it has better quench pads to fight detonation. i think skunk2 has a cam set up specifically for turbo. also, look into valves, springs, and retainers so that you can rev it to like 9k. then get a Hondata or AEM standalone.

I know some of this is pretty commonsense, but i hope that you like some of my advice and i hope it helps. and i didnt think itd get this long.:eek:

oh yeah, and try to do all ARP hardware.

good write up there sac!...i think my eyes are about to fall out but it was helpful...thanks...lol

what can i say.... i think too much. and mostly about cars. im doomed.[:@] ........:D

lol...sounds like me except you know a lot more...im learnign tho...what surprised me is i had heard a lot of what you said...its kinda cool..learnign that is..lol....i am having a big delema with my tranny if you will check out that post for me....mine now is done for i cant really drive it much longer and i need major help!...i been searching for sites on it all night and i cant find ANYTHIGN!!!! AHHHH.

are any of honda tranny's interchageable?IE chage out bell houseing and batta bing?I got more questions about what you posted SAC,but I got to get ready for work.The rail road never likes to wait.

the d-series trannies will all (hydro ones anyway) work on your car, but stick with the ex one. it has good gear ratios. the only one that has better ratios is the 92-95 si, but the only difference is the fifth gear, which is a little shorter, so, considering you wont use fifth in many races, all it will do is hurt your gas mileage. and just get a quaiffe (sp?) lsd.

sounds like me except you know a lot more...im learnign tho...
looks like we're in the same boat. lol. i dont have any imput to give cuz sac took all the fun, j/k :D but welcome to HCF, hope u like it here.

take out the stock plugs in the crank and replace them with allen head set-screws with loctite. maybe look into posting the block or installing a blockguard.(quote)

What was you meening by plugs.Does the honda have plugs in crank for counter weight?Posting the block?please explain,that is not a term that I have herd of.And I understand block guard,but who has it what does it look like.I've never had to use one before on toyota's.


Thanks again for you guyz help.This is good research for my next project.Glad I took my daughters advice and did it this way.

And does any one have site for the Carillo rods?

in the crank, there are small plugs that are pressed into the counterweights, not for balancing, but the allow access to the oiling passages. on a high horsepower engine, they CAN POSSIBLY come loose (its not a common occurance, but its better safe than sorry.) and lose oil pressure. so engine builders remove them and tap the holes, then install threaded setscrews with loctite so they wont accidentally come out. and block posting is accomplished by drilling small holes into the block, tapping them, then threading what are basically setscrews into them so that they barely rest against the ouside of the cylinder walls. this braces them against vibration. and the posts are made of the same material as the cylinders, so that they expand and contract the same. there is a writeup on it HERE. (http://homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/block_posting/index.html)

Kewl thanks for that bit of info.
Are there not these things that slide between the outside cylinder wall and block that supports the entire length of the cylinder wall,and yet still not block the coolant passage?

no, well, not if your thinking of what im thinking. its called a blockguard. it fills the gap between the cylinder walls and the block, but it only goes down about half an inch. they are great for low to mid levels of tune, if done right, they are a little better than the posting. but if you do one, get the cylinders line bored to make sure the guard isnt flexing them out of round. there are also "sleeves" but they are really freakin expensive, and unless you are going ALL OUT, the money is better spent elsewhere. they basically replace the whole cylinder with a thicker one made of better materials. they are good up to about 40psi of boost (supposedly, if you get everything else THAT built.) so i think that'd be a little overkill for you.

Allso Sacs,in a earlyer post you said hydro trannys.Could you please explain?I'm a little confused bout dat.You meen automatic?

sorry. no, i meant the hydraulically actuated clutch. VS. a cable actuated clutch. the hydro ones are found in 92+ civics and 94+ integras. there are kits to interchange, but its really not worth it, both systems work pretty well, just stick with whatever you have (hydro)

OK,I see what you was meening.Sac,was you able to find a site that sold carillo rods?I've got a few things on order now.I would post it but a few people I know have been peeping in on forum trying to get inside scoop.[:'(]And I did not know that a Honda "4 banger" could out corner a Vette.:DNext time I'll just bring them some tissue:D.Maybe they could move the finish line away from the last turn;)

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I would post it but a few people I know have been peeping in on forum trying to get inside scoop.[:'(]
wow, shady. people trying to get in on your Kool-Aid.

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ORIGINAL: littledog

I would post it but a few people I know have been peeping in on forum trying to get inside scoop.[:'(]
wow, shady. people trying to get in on your Kool-Aid.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah. [sm=icon_cheers.gif]

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ORIGINAL: littledog

I would post it but a few people I know have been peeping in on forum trying to get inside scoop.[:'(]
wow, shady. people trying to get in on your Kool-Aid.




Yea,They got Kool but but they need aid.


Man since I've changed a few front and rear peices;)You can notice a very big diff.Nothing like I've owned.This thing moves faster as you turn.Now if I could find or make a lsd,I would be set.

Does any one hhave a line or site that sells carillo rods.I've just about got every thing I need.

Jst an idea,I did this to a few celica's and supra's that I have owned and built.On the throttle body there is a coolant passage that keeps the trottle body from freezing.Well in warmer climate areas there is no need for this.It very seldom gets below freezing here.So what I did is bypass this coolant from going into the throttle body in order to get cooler more dence air into the intake.Will this idea work on the Honda or not?I have gone through some forums and have not found (yet) anyone who has done this.This has got to be good for at least 3-6 hp.Ideas?Input?

yeah. whenever i put an intake on a honda, i take out that line, it is connected to a line going to the intake tube. then i replace the hardline with rubber hoses. you'll see what i mean when you look at it. it would be easy to cap the lines instead of rerouting them.

Yup, I noticed that my car has something like this on it too.

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yeah. whenever i put an intake on a honda, i take out that line, it is connected to a line going to the intake tube. then i replace the hardline with rubber hoses. you'll see what i mean when you look at it. it would be easy to cap the lines instead of rerouting them.



So will there be any adverse effects?other than more horsees.I have dynos of a twin supra(stock)that picked up at least 8 horsees by doing this.

And does any one have any problems whith there scycros in there trannys.I think I have hurt mine in some kinda way(lolars).Wonder if I can machine out some new,stronger gear shafts.I'll have to do sumtin befor I install clutch.Any one with a line or site for tranny parts?I have to machine my own round here.No one makes parts for honda tranny here:(

yeah, the trannies are kind of the weak point of racing hondas. ive seen a few race ones for the b-series, but i dont know much about what they consist of. but on the bright side, d-series trannies can be had pretty cheap. just keep your eyes open, and while you dont need one, you can pick up a couple of spares for cheap. also, look into getting the gears shotpeened and then rebuild the trannies with all new syncros and all that. i dont know of any dbl or triple syncro sets for d series. or b series for that matter. i think quaife makes a b series tranny, but last i saw, it cost around 16000, so i dont think that would be an option anyway.


mmmm, quaife. 6-speed, dog-tooth, sequential with custom gear ratios and their most advanced differential. mmmm.

could I make an adapter plate to put a racing b tranny to mate up with d motor?I've done this on a few frankinsteins in the past.

hmmmm, ive heard rumors of an adaptor plate to use d and b series trannies on the h series motors, so it may be out there. i'd just google it. good luck.

Google! I have machines that can do my biding.Muhahahaha!!muahahahah!!!muahahahah!

As I said before I have done a few frankinsteins.IE-Ford t7 to supra with the ford rear,I have had a toy truck that I converted into 4-runner thatI converted into chevy drive train,bla,bla,bla.

Kewl what a country boy can learn with all that time on his hands.I've done many things just never involved honda.I found them weird cause they run backwards.But now I find it challenging(?).

I found them weird cause they run backwards.yeah, it makes it hard to do any rear drive conversions. but you could go with a K-series for a RWD.:D