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Old 05-11-2009, 11:10 AM
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Default Pioneer headunit pico fuse fix *56k*

So, as much as I love Pioneer head units, they have a really, REALLY stupid problem. If you hot swap any RCA's (pull out or plug in an RCA to a preout while the unit is on) there's a very high chance that your units pico fuse will blow. As far as I can tell, all it does is *mostly* kill the ground to the preouts and give you a bunch of engine noise. I noticed at least one other person with this problem, so I decided to post this.

This is being done on a 2004 Pioneer DEH-P6600 that I got when I was 16 and didn't have any common sense. I screwed up the rear preout right when I got it assuming that rear probably meant sub. Like I said, 16 and no common sense. :P Anyhow, a couple weeks ago a door lock wire somehow wiggled loose behind the stereo, I went to fix it, stereo was on when I pulled it (wasn't paying attention, I was peeved at troubleshooting my power lock problem) and I messed up my front/rear preouts which are on the same fuse.

Imagine your subs humming at top volume with your engine, and anything that has electrical current. The subs are already going "boom boom boom boom boom" just from the engine noise, you lock the doors, "WHAM!" roll down the window "WHAM!" Turn on the wipers "WHAM!". Needless to say, I thought my stereo was shot.

I ordered a fancy new unit (Pioneer DEH-P510UB). But I was bored and stereoless waiting for it to arrive so I decided to research what could have gone wrong with my unit. One word: Pico fuses.

QUICK FIX
Here's the quick fix, I drove around with this for three days and it got rid of 80-85% of the engine noise. Soldering gets rid of all the engine noise, but this does help a LOT if you aren't comfortable soldering.

Supplies needed:
1. Some wire. About 3" completely stripped, and if you have a wired rear preout, about six inches of wire to run from the front/sub preouts to the rear preouts.
2. A screwdriver
3. Electrical tape is greatly prefered, but something to hold the rear preouts together.

Then, do this:
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The pictures should be self explanatory, you are grounding the outside of the preouts with the unit's casing. I've found that the rear preout MUST be grounded to the same spot as the front/sub preouts.

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A BETTER FIX

Soldering completely gets rid of the engine noise So, here's how to bypass the pico fuses via soldering, its really easy, but there is next to no information on replacing them besides "send it into Pioneer". This is going to vary from unit to unit, but it should be the same concept. Do this at your own risk, it worked for me, but make sure you understand what you are doing.

REQUIRED:
1. Decent sized Phillips screwdriver.
2. Flat head screwdriver
3. Needle nose pliers
4. Soldering iron + solder
5. Patience.

1. Start by taking off every single screw on the sides and back of the unit. The top of the unit's casing should pop off. Ignore the "DO NOT REMOVE" sticker.
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2. Next is the CD drive. Its held in by four screws. Lift it up then disconnect the morlex connector.
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3. You should be able to get the rear heatsink out now. Get that out, then take off the front of the unit off. Assuming you got all the screws out in the beginning, all you have to do is use a flat head to push the clips in.

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Then to get board out there is one screw, and a three tabs that you have to bend straight with needle nose pliers. Make sure those tabs are straight, its going to save a lot of frustration when putting it back in. Plug in your soldering iron now.

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4. Circuit board should be as free as it can get by now. Time to find the fuses. They will be the only thing marked by "FUxxx" - the x's are numbers. The tiny fuse will also have a "P" on it, stands for Pico I assume. My unit has two fuses because the front and sub preouts are on one fuse, and the rear preout is on another.
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5. Now, don't be stupid like me and drink or eat anything like these while soldering. Makes me shaky as heck. I'm blaming these on my solder joints, they were nowhere near my normal par. :P
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6. Figure out which side of the board is easier to solder on, it was easier to do the front/sub on the bottom of the board, and the rear on the top (okay, the rear was going to be a pita regardless). They are sooooo close together that it will only take a tiny bit of solder, so be really, really careful.
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7. Thats pretty much it. Put everything back together and go test it out. Make sure you put the stupid heatsink back in first. There should be ZERO engine noise now. I've been driving around with this fix for five days - no engine noise.
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Old 05-11-2009, 11:23 AM
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Nice post man, i know this has to do with my post about the motor wine. I'm hoping i can eliminate my issue with just wires because i cant solder and will just end up having to buy a new head unit which is going to suck because i don't have spare case like that right now.
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Yeah, you were one of the reasons I posted this. I also had extreme difficulty finding any information about fixing this problem when I was researching, and hcf always has a tendency of coming up on Google, so I figured I'd attempt to help other people.

From the few pictures I've seen of other Pioneer circuit boards, if all your preouts are on the back (aka no crappy wired one like mine has) it should be a decently isolated spot. The rear preout fuse was hell to solder, I bet you can see why though. :P
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dude thanks so much!!! omg i thought i was going to throw my pioneer deh p6600 2006 series away. i have alt whine and stuff just like you described through my rear pre outs and front ive tried using both. i dont see much in the subs but a lil. so the object is basically just to use solder as a permanent fuse? so i just want to connect the thetwo ends using solder and it should work after that. my fuses are a lil different but its the same thing right?

thanks so much once again, your the only one who posted something that will actually fix it and fix it right!
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Wow, old post. Shbek's actually not a dude. And I think this'll end up in the DIY section...
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Hot swapped RCA's out of pure stupidity and excitement.
I have a pioneer DEH P510ub, paid 300$ brand new 2 years ago.
Worked great until I blew the "pico fuse". Warranty Expired last month, otherwise Pioneer said they would fix it for free, now they say that since warranty expired they wont fix AT ALL not even for $$.

Took it in to multiple audio shops in town they wont touch it, and would charge 100$ about to send it out, including 3 months waiting period.
After finding this thread I was so happy/hopeful.
I carefully took it apart, following this thread.
I grounded my deck all the way in the trunk as suggested.
I grounded the rcas on the head unit with copper wrapped around the connectors and attached to metal of stereo in 2 spots.
I tried a ground loop fixer thing, made it worse.
I tried different shielded rca wires, on the outside of the car and over the carpet.
I now have the unit taken completely apart and have scanned it for hours, making my head hurt.
I CANNOT FIND THE PICO FUSE??? I have used a magnify glass and still no luck, even had one of my computer tech buds look it over with no avail.

Is there anything I can do now, after having tried everything?

again is a pioneer deh p510ub and is a great unit until now...

I currently have no stereo in my car, just a bunch of speakers, subs and amps... but no tunes!!

HELP PLZZ!!!
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