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D16 or B16?

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Old 01-14-2005, 12:50 PM
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okay. a lot of dispute about the D16 versus the B16 and how alot of ppl including saccions says that an upgrade to the B16 is worthless unless u pass 4500 rpms where it then gets to be extremely fun. I've seen some dude on his civic 4dr keep his D16Y7 engine and upgrade it to 190 horses easily. Then again, the B16 has a hell of a lot of upgradeable parts too. So say if i weren't racing but wanted to have some fun should i keep my D16 and max it out or should i replace it with a B16 and then max it out? There was even talk about getting an LS Engine into a Civic. What the hell is an LS engine? Are we assuming Integra LS engine?

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Old 01-14-2005, 02:49 PM
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First of all, yes, LS engine = Teg engine. The problem with putting a B16 in a heavier civic (sedan) is that there is not enough torque to throw the car around (as in a hatch.) Also, I don't know what you're implying when you say "max it out," but a B16 is not a good engine for forced induction (FI) due to the combination of high CR/low displacement. Though the D16 is still a 1.6, its CR is a full point lower, so it will work better as a FI daily driver. That is not to say that a properly built/tuned B16 won't handle boost very well, but it requires more money. If you're going N/A, however, a B16 has a serious stock hp advantage. However, I think the LS swap (B18A/B) is your best bet at this point. While it puts out about 30 hp less than an SIR-I B16A, it has a torque and displacement advantage to assist moving the heavier car, and keeps the lower CR for the opportunity of FI.
 
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Old 01-14-2005, 02:59 PM
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mostly its a money problem. kappa is right about the b16 like i was going to put a b16 in my hatch because it sounded like a good idea but then i had to do all this crap like get motor mounts, wiring the v-tec, multi fuel, si harnesses, and all this crap i suggest if your looking for some fun get the b18 because of the torque even tho its the same as a b16 i think you'll be happy with the b18 because of its torque you just gotta get mounts and convert your car to mulit fuelalso get axles, tranny, etc. the d16y7 is gonna be the cheapest way to go but your gonna have to do some work to the motor to get what you want cause its not as strong but can be if you put time into it like a turbo and etc.
 
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Old 01-14-2005, 05:37 PM
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yea, thanks for ur input (Kappa and hondabboy). i was just checking around for some ideas because nothing is certain yet. and since i'm kinda new at all this stuff i'm still learning alot so thanks for yallz input. one more thing.... LS Engine? are we assuming old skool integra as in early 90's to mid 90's integra engine? isn't it hard to find a good LS Engine?

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Old 01-14-2005, 06:01 PM
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Yeah, we're talking about a 90 to 94 Teg engine (I don't really consider that "old-school"). And it's really not hard to find a good LS engine for a good price. Check out Sunrise JDM, Nippon motors, etc. I think they both sell B18B's for about $700.
 
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Also, if you've got the bank for it, look at GSR engines...
 
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Old 01-14-2005, 06:49 PM
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if you plan on getting serious, dont bother with the ls, it can be converted to VTEC and all that, but stock DOHC VTEC motors are zero-balanced from the factory to handle the extra power and revs, the b18a/b isnt. that doesnt mean its no good, but its not the best choice for high HP, unless you plan on going ALL-OUT, like sleeves and the whole nine. but for a quick daily-driver, the b18a/b or even the CRVs B20b/z is a great motor. and if your civ is 92+, youll need a 94+ b18b to ease installation. if its PRE 92, get a 90-93 teg motor(b18a)
 
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Old 01-15-2005, 12:04 AM
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yea. like i'm not trying to make my civic at all the best or the fastest yallz. i'm just saying... i need a civic which is a daily driver at the same time could easily whoop a Mustang GT on the road anyday. I think an LS Engine would do the trick. even my stock D16Y7 would do the trick i think. i've seen on Honda Tuning mag how that one dude souped his REX up with where it had a D16Y8 head and still could be a daily driver yet get him a 1/4 mile in 13 secs flat. i dunno. what do u think? i think the sequel will soon come to be D16 or B18 and beyond?

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Old 01-15-2005, 12:18 AM
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damn kappa. u my heero. checked out sunrise jdm early this morning and damn.... u were right. there are some nice LS Engines on sale. thanks for the info bro.

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No problem. Glad to be of service.
 

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