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h22 or b16?

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Old 12-25-2007, 02:36 PM
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hi i just recently bought a 89 hatch si and realized how slow it was i have heard many goos stories about engine swaps making these cars really fast what engine would anybody recomend? r do i have a good engine already that just needs mods and a turbo? i wana hopefully hit one day mid 11s whats my best bet? thnaks
 
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Old 12-25-2007, 03:07 PM
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It's not really that hard of a choice... a 160hp 1.6l or a 2.2l with 160 ft/lbs of torque. I'd go with the h22, you really can't argue with a stock engine that makes 200hp at the crank, expecially given that complete swap packages are like $2500.
 
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Old 12-25-2007, 03:18 PM
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so dont even botherabout turboing the little d16 my car has. is there a good place where i can but a complete h22. what about a b18? and there are diff types of h22s right which do i need the h22a? thanks tom
 
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you could always buy the h22 and turbo that...
 
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Old 12-25-2007, 03:25 PM
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do you know where i can buy one for a decent price my local performance shop want like $5500 thats a rip off right?
 
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Old 12-25-2007, 05:03 PM
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http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/

5.5k sounds like a pretty big ripoff compared to the prices on that site. Then again, does this include labor? You also want a list of what parts they're selling you and if labor is included, what they're going to do.
 
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Old 12-25-2007, 05:45 PM
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yeah this includes labor, but still high have u ever seen it in a 89 civic ive only seen them in like 93 or newer,so i shouldnt even waste money suping up my stick motor?
 
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It might be hard to make it fit, but assuming they got the motor for a similar price, about half the quoted cost would be going towards labor. It's not an easy job so the labor cost doesn't sound ridiculous, but I would rather do some research and save that much money by doing the job myself.

I think it's possible to do it, and you could do it with a good amount of research. I haven't made a swap yet, just an upper-end engine rebuild. That alone was a pretty hard job , but it was really gratifying. I definitely want to do an engine swap in the future, and I want to do it myself because of that head-rebuild experience. I'll be looking into putting a DOHC (B or H) into an '86 CRX si, so I'll be in a similar boat to you.
 
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Old 12-27-2007, 02:01 PM
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If you plan on swapping engines, don't even think about modding the engine in your car right now... just save up your money for the swap. If you (and your friends) do the labor, an H22 swap should cost around $3k all said and done. I don't think I've ever seen it done to a 4th gen, but I'm sure an H22 would fit with a little work.
 
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This is a link where you can buy everything you need for the swap, other than motor mounts, but they do sell those and the axles for 750(for both). Your shop is quoting a lot of money for labor. I paid to have my swap done. They charged me 3,000 for the gsr engine, and 850 for installation,which included tranny oil, motoroil and needed belts. They also installed my skunk2 intake manifold, skunk2 short shifter, timing belt, waterpump and DC header for free...because I bought the parts from them.....and they had greatprices! They even painted my engine bay black for free too, I just had to buy the paint. So 1899 for the engine, 750 for mounts and axles, and shoot high and say 400 for shipping and handling.......thats 3049 for all the parts. Add 100 for misc hoses and fluids.....youre at 3149....with hasport mounts and axles. (hasport is the best of the best). 5500-3149=$2351 for labor? Seeems high to me....Those are the parts for just the swap....BUT people usually change the clutch, timing belt, water pump and resurface the flywheel......between those parts....youre looking at probably another 1,000, then add more labor. I think its time to find a new shop, or maybe try to tackle the project urself. If youre in New Jersey pm me and I will give you the shop who did my swaps info. -Good luck!
 
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