Civic Hybrids. Are they really worth it?
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RE: Civic Hybrids. Are they really worth it?
I have a sports car, a real true to life 2 seater V8 RWD sports car. I run in the 12's in the 1/4 mile, I trap over 110mph in the 1/4 mile, my car will pull slightly over a g in turns, my car will stop on a dime and I get a mixed average of 28mpg. Most of the time I am around 36 to 43mpg on the highway and around 23/24 around town.
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ORIGINAL: Gene J
I would like to know how the heater in a hybrid works in winter (with no engine running) and how the AC works in the hot weather (also with no engine running)? A friend of mine with a Prius complains about window fogging in cooler weather.
I would like to know how the heater in a hybrid works in winter (with no engine running) and how the AC works in the hot weather (also with no engine running)? A friend of mine with a Prius complains about window fogging in cooler weather.
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RE: Civic Hybrids. Are they really worth it?
The car is designed not to shut if certain conditions are met such as engine not up to operating temp, your heater or blower motor is on one of the higher levels, or even if you're stopped on an incline just to name a few. That's probably why the hybrids don't come with anything but the automatic climate control. Also, the engine never shuts off when in park, neutral or reverse. I believe that the AC runs from an electric motor when the engine is off. I've sat for long periods of time and have never had the AC not work.
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ORIGINAL: Marty
I have a sports car, a real true to life 2 seater V8 RWD sports car. I run in the 12's in the 1/4 mile, I trap over 110mph in the 1/4 mile, my car will pull slightly over a g in turns, my car will stop on a dime and I get a mixed average of 28mpg. Most of the time I am around 36 to 43mpg on the highway and around 23/24 around town.
Screw a hybrid
I have a sports car, a real true to life 2 seater V8 RWD sports car. I run in the 12's in the 1/4 mile, I trap over 110mph in the 1/4 mile, my car will pull slightly over a g in turns, my car will stop on a dime and I get a mixed average of 28mpg. Most of the time I am around 36 to 43mpg on the highway and around 23/24 around town.
Screw a hybrid
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RE: Civic Hybrids. Are they really worth it?
If you're getting 35-40MPG with a gas Civic, and a Hybrid would get 45-50MPG, it isn't really worth it. The added cost, complexity, weight, and battery waste just don't make up for 5MPG.
I'd guess the batteries can be recycled, but if it has to use dino-fuel or another relatively finite resource for main power, it's not really sustainable anyway. They need to really get working on electric-only cars with decent range and quick-charge capabilites that can befueled (directly or indirectly) by the sun and wind. Meanwhile, we need to reduce our population a little while NASAgets their act together in getting us to another hospitable solar system, in case our sun ever burns out.
Do I sound paranoid?
I'd guess the batteries can be recycled, but if it has to use dino-fuel or another relatively finite resource for main power, it's not really sustainable anyway. They need to really get working on electric-only cars with decent range and quick-charge capabilites that can befueled (directly or indirectly) by the sun and wind. Meanwhile, we need to reduce our population a little while NASAgets their act together in getting us to another hospitable solar system, in case our sun ever burns out.
Do I sound paranoid?
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I hate to throw cold water on the electric car idea, but where do you think electricity comes from? The majority comes from coal (sulfer emissions) or gas (same emission problemsas cars). Besides, 35% is lost in the transmission lines. Of course we could build more nuke plants, but we all know the problems with that solution. And who is going to build all those new power plants? Do you want one in your neighborhood? Do you want to replace that forest near you with a strip mine? Despite all the rhetoric, electric carsare not a solution to our energy problems. If we did convert to electricity, imagine what your electricity bill would be?
Bio-fuels are also not a solution unless we figure out how to make it out of non-food products. The price of corn has tripled in the last two years thanks to using itin ethanol. A friend of mine bought a corn furnace a couple of years ago when corn was cheap, now it is costing him more thanhis gas furnace.If we start growing large quantities of alternative crops, where are we going to grow them? Do we cut down more Amazon forest? Irrigate a desert with our dwindling supply of water?
I am not knockingthepeople here on the forum (I include myself in this catagory), I am questioning our politicians and business leaders who are trying to make a profit at our expense.They are not talking about the big picture here, only the part that gets them elected or puts money in their pockets.
Thanks for listening.....
Bio-fuels are also not a solution unless we figure out how to make it out of non-food products. The price of corn has tripled in the last two years thanks to using itin ethanol. A friend of mine bought a corn furnace a couple of years ago when corn was cheap, now it is costing him more thanhis gas furnace.If we start growing large quantities of alternative crops, where are we going to grow them? Do we cut down more Amazon forest? Irrigate a desert with our dwindling supply of water?
I am not knockingthepeople here on the forum (I include myself in this catagory), I am questioning our politicians and business leaders who are trying to make a profit at our expense.They are not talking about the big picture here, only the part that gets them elected or puts money in their pockets.
Thanks for listening.....
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RE: Civic Hybrids. Are they really worth it?
ORIGINAL: Gene J
I hate to throw cold water on the electric car idea, but where do you think electricity comes from? The majority comes from coal (sulfer emissions) or gas (same emission problemsas cars). Besides, 35% is lost in the transmission lines. Of course we could build more nuke plants, but we all know the problems with that solution. And who is going to build all those new power plants? Do you want one in your neighborhood? Do you want to replace that forest near you with a strip mine? Despite all the rhetoric, electric carsare not a solution to our energy problems. If we did convert to electricity, imagine what your electricity bill would be?
Bio-fuels are also not a solution unless we figure out how to make it out of non-food products. The price of corn has tripled in the last two years thanks to using itin ethanol. A friend of mine bought a corn furnace a couple of years ago when corn was cheap, now it is costing him more thanhis gas furnace.If we start growing large quantities of alternative crops, where are we going to grow them? Do we cut down more Amazon forest? Irrigate a desert with our dwindling supply of water?
I am not knockingthepeople here on the forum (I include myself in this catagory), I am questioning our politicians and business leaders who are trying to make a profit at our expense.They are not talking about the big picture here, only the part that gets them elected or puts money in their pockets.
Thanks for listening.....
I hate to throw cold water on the electric car idea, but where do you think electricity comes from? The majority comes from coal (sulfer emissions) or gas (same emission problemsas cars). Besides, 35% is lost in the transmission lines. Of course we could build more nuke plants, but we all know the problems with that solution. And who is going to build all those new power plants? Do you want one in your neighborhood? Do you want to replace that forest near you with a strip mine? Despite all the rhetoric, electric carsare not a solution to our energy problems. If we did convert to electricity, imagine what your electricity bill would be?
Bio-fuels are also not a solution unless we figure out how to make it out of non-food products. The price of corn has tripled in the last two years thanks to using itin ethanol. A friend of mine bought a corn furnace a couple of years ago when corn was cheap, now it is costing him more thanhis gas furnace.If we start growing large quantities of alternative crops, where are we going to grow them? Do we cut down more Amazon forest? Irrigate a desert with our dwindling supply of water?
I am not knockingthepeople here on the forum (I include myself in this catagory), I am questioning our politicians and business leaders who are trying to make a profit at our expense.They are not talking about the big picture here, only the part that gets them elected or puts money in their pockets.
Thanks for listening.....
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RE: Civic Hybrids. Are they really worth it?
ORIGINAL: Gene J
I hate to throw cold water on the electric car idea, but where do you think electricity comes from? The majority comes from coal (sulfer emissions) or gas (same emission problemsas cars). Besides, 35% is lost in the transmission lines. Of course we could build more nuke plants, but we all know the problems with that solution. And who is going to build all those new power plants? Do you want one in your neighborhood? Do you want to replace that forest near you with a strip mine? Despite all the rhetoric, electric carsare not a solution to our energy problems. If we did convert to electricity, imagine what your electricity bill would be?
I hate to throw cold water on the electric car idea, but where do you think electricity comes from? The majority comes from coal (sulfer emissions) or gas (same emission problemsas cars). Besides, 35% is lost in the transmission lines. Of course we could build more nuke plants, but we all know the problems with that solution. And who is going to build all those new power plants? Do you want one in your neighborhood? Do you want to replace that forest near you with a strip mine? Despite all the rhetoric, electric carsare not a solution to our energy problems. If we did convert to electricity, imagine what your electricity bill would be?