Stock or with bolt on's I'd put my money on a 3.4 v6 grand am over any civic sold in the u.s. before the 8th gen si in a 1/4 mile race and the only thing that makes a stock civic out handle a stock grand am is weight. But in the end neither are race cars and both have their faults. I know that the superchargers from the Grand Prix's and Bonneville's bolt right on to the 3.4 and you can get one for a couple hundred bucks at a junkyard.

 

lol alright...first off, of course a basic model 07 civic will get smoked by just about anything anyway. Its a family car its not for proformance...thats the SI. Why even state that? Thats like saying...yea my lamborginibeat aVW Beetle! Yay my cars fast! I mean comon....and your friend got ripped off for the price of his civic, a freaking SI is $21,000, man I would feel like an idiot if I was him! Your friends civic is 160 hp...a grandam gt...I dont even know, 200's. Uhm...basic science right there with whos gonna win. I hate people that talk about races that arnt even...RACES. Both of your friends are dumb for racing and ******* out both of your cars with such a pointless race. And my friend has a grandam GT, and i have an 07 civic si, his is an auto. We messed around here and there and to be honest the si comes out stronger in a couple aspects, the civics LSD is second to none first of all. And im not saying this because I have a civic si...I drove both and I like my civic more, its more roomy and more comfortable. And I would pick a manual over an auto anyday. The grandam is just an old persons car, noone talks about them because their old news. The G6 is new and I dont even hear anything about them because they are besically the same hp wise as a 07 civic si

 

Dude it is not like comparing a Lambo and a VW. It is not like a 2000 Grand Am GT is some big bad *** performance car. Get over yourself, the civic(even the 8th gen SI) is not fast. There is absolutly no stock civic that is fast. Dont get all pissy when another car beats it.

 

Hahaha, the gt didnt beat my car. It beat a 160 hp car. And the only reason you think your so hard is because you have a corvette...whoopie. Every middle aged mans car

 

I know that and you show you dont know wtf you are talking about because the new base/ex/dx/lx civic has 140hp. I was stating that even if your car......a new si did, can, will beat a grand am gt that is it by no means a fast car. Plus your talking about a car(the Grand Am) that is not even geared at sport compacts, was not designed or produced with performance in mind against the new SI which btw is 3 to 4 years newer than any Grand Am and is souly based on being sporty with tight handling, and quick. That is comparing apples to oranges no matter the power levels. It's far past time people with civic's realise they are not on top of any food chain at all anywhere unless they drop a $3000+ build and/or turbo/supercharger in your car. Being a fan of a car is ok....nothing wrong with that but reality is reality and generation for generation I can name cars that are in the civic's price range and segment that are better performers but none of you will ever admit it.

It's like me, I have a Vette and I have no problem admiting a same year SS Camaro or WS6 Trans Am will get me in the 1/4 mile. I have no problem saying a 03/04 Cobra will beat me. Does this mean I have to like it, no but it does mean I respect those cars for what they are. And I am not saying to even respect a Grand Am.....what I am saying is even though you dont respect it there is no need to attempt to blow a civic up into this nice fast sports car on one level(SI) then saying a Grand Am has no place racing another Level(EX) because rest assured if GM would have taken a notion and put the 3800 V6 with the M90 in those cars and called them Grand Am GTP's they would walk a new SI.

 

BTW I dont think I'm hard and if you ever want to come on down and I have a bolt on 91 Ford Probe GT that will handle your new SI in any race you want to throw at it. On a side note I never throw up to anyone on this forum that I have a vette. Your the one that is intimidated by it because you throw it up at me. Also I am not a middle aged man and if you want me to start tossing my car in your face how about mid to high 12's in the 1/4 mile, nearly a g on the skid pad, 34mpg on the highway and a resale value right now that is higher than your car even though it is 8 years older.

 

Your one of the many tards in this world that think of themselves so much better than everyone else. Dont go on a honda forum if you are going to bash hondas. the si and gt are besically the same. Yes other cars beat other cars. Even when it has the v6 advantage, get over it. Stop acting like a 17 year old teenager that thinks his trans am is hot sh*t. And what are you sitting on this page right now refreshing to see when something else will come up so you can type another novel? Get over it, people have different decisions. Ohhh high 12s watch out. There was a yellow civic that pulled a 9 somethin in the mile. Yea he blew his engine but thats not the point, it was a 4 cylinder. The point is any car can go as fast as it wants with mods to it. Just because your vette is faster stock and is a V8 who cares. It costs twice as much as any civic, Im hoping you would get better out of it. When you get a z06 and slap a supercharger on it ill have nothing to say. Your car is a completely different level and stage than any honda, and your comparing it, dont quit your day job. "BTW" my father has a C6 with aftermarket headers and X-Pipe, big deal, itsa V8 car, civic is a 4 cylinder, dont be retarded

 

You have alot to learn about me kid, I dont bash cars I tell the truth about them and no I was not sitting here I went and got a bite to eat if you need to know. And man I am one of the eldest members that are active on this forum. I helped mod this forum for a good while and I have nothing against civic's. Dont come at me like a immature punk because that is the last thing I am and I dont think my car is hot ****. I have wanted one for years so I got one. Big deal. I still know alot about honda's and I still help out a good bit on here. For you a new member to come on here and talk **** to me is nothing. I dont care about you, your points of view, your lack of knowledge(because you obviously have a lack of it pertaining to cars.....even yours). I simply dont give a rats ***. you remind me of a member that has allready been banned. Ben, he came on here and started talking **** to me like this untill he came around and understood I am here to help people and I ended up helping him a great deal.

But what i will not stand for is people trying their best to make the civic(allthough it is a great car)look like aperformance oriented, sports car, acting like it has all this more abilities than other cars and how it such a pavement beater when in the begining it's not. You have to build and/or boost them to make them actually fast. But then again you could boost a ****ing lawnmower and make it fast.

 

What was the point of this book? You didnt state anything you were going on about, I dont even know what you were even trying to say. An old member. And when did I say my car is hot sh*t? Yea, I like my car, I enjoy driving it, its a nice car for $21k. But people like you always saying they are sh*t is a nuisance. Did you even drive one yet? Its a 4 cylinder....what were you expecting, low 12s in the 1/4? Get over it dude, its a freaking civic and grandam. And yes you are correct, 140 hp. I was off by 20 hp. Im sorry Im not 30+ on a honda forum in my whole life. Maybe I should buy a little booklet that tells me the hp of every car made. Stop going on about nothing

 

Get off yourself koshak. He wasn't comparing his vette to any civic. You brought his vette into the convo... A civic is a grocery getter, a grand am is a grocery getter. When I was carshopping my final two choices came down to my 99 Si and a 00 Grand AM GT. In my opinion the Si was funner to drive but hey thats just me. Don't get me wrong the grandam was a nice car with more amenities and it was more comfortable. Size wise and engine wise yes the two cars are in different classes. But with the power to weight ratio there is nothing that is spectacularly amazing about a grand am GT compared to an Si or even an EX or DX. Theres situations in which a civic could take a GA and vice versa. Driver is a big factor also.

oh and BTW I have seen videos of a lawnmower on nitrous