You can upgrade, but you really don't need to because they hold so well.

I haven't had a single problem with my mac. But technology is technology, things happen.

Plus, I can run windows programs on my mac with a simulator... and I don't get viruses every two seconds.

With all the upgrades and crap you'll need to buy to keep a PC updated and operating well, it's not worth it at all. Nobody said Macs never crash.

Plus, Vista licks my *****.

Vista...



Mac OS X Leopard...

 

I will agree with you on vista, lol, it sucks.

 

Has anyone tried to use their printer with vista. I put vista on my desktop and could not get my printer to work so I went and bought a printer that said it was able to run on vista and still nothing. I got to looking it up and alot are having problems with the combo. I put XP back on and everything is fine now.

 

You do know this works both ways right. I have an older HP running on a 2.4GHz Pentium 4(no HT) and I was able to nativly install OS X Tiger. Its not running on a simulator either, its actually booting to Tiger without going through any other OS or software, just like it would on a regular Mac. On top of that, hardware is cheaper for PCs.

 

Yes, I know that, I was just responding to somebody saying that mac has ****ty software or something.

Hardware may be cheaper but you end up spending less because you're not updating every two weeks. How much money have you spent on anti-virus software?

 

I've spend $0 on anti virus software, my university offers it for free for all students. THe only reason that Macs don't get attacked with viruses is that programmers don't bother because the market share is so small of the Mac. As far as updating goes, at least I CAN update my Windows PC. You can't update an iMac b/c it simply doesn't have anywhere to put stuff. I can hook up all kinds of stuff to my computer because everything in my machine can be removed. LG came out with a Blu-Ray/HD DVD combo drive. I can buy one and install it in my machine. If you want one and you have a mac, your out of luck. New video card out? I can go buy it and install it. I don't have to update my machine. The last thing I installed was a DVD burner because my old one took a crap. If that was a mac, you would have to do without a DVD drive or buy a new machine. I haven't upgraded much of anything on my machine and I've had it for well over 5 years (I got it used on top of that). It is an ADVANTAGE to be able to upgrade your machine. You can prolong the life of a machine by upgrading the parts. The argument that upgradability is bad just plain stupid. It is one of the strong spots of PCs and lack of upgradability is one of the biggest weaknesses of Apple computers. You don't sped less than a PC user. PCs are cheap. Parts are everywhere. If something breaks on my machine, I don't have to go back to HP to buy the part. I can find someone else that makes it. On your mac, you are stuck buyign Apple parts. On top of that, Macs are overpriced. You can get a PC for much cheaper than you can get a Mac. On top of that, a PC will allow you to do much more. You can run any OS on a PC that you can run on a Mac. There is more software for PCs. There is more hardware for PCs which allows you to do much more with your computer.

 

Lol. I agree that Mac laptops are some of (if not) the best (except the combo drive on the entry-level one, $1100 laptop cant burn DVD, wtf?). But otherwise it's not that much better. If you're not doing advance tasks (if u do, you should get a desktop anyway) and could afford it, I would say get a Macbook. Show me a Mac that can run Crysis full spec. LOL

 

ok, to put some other PC v mac rumors to bed: [ol][*]hardware upgrading: the desktop Mac Pros can be upgraded. You can add/remove harddrives, memory, video cards, DVD drives. If you're really adventurous, you can even change the processor. The only things you can't change, are the mother board or the power supply. now, obviously, with video cards, you need to get one that is supported by the Mac, as you can't just go get new drivers for it, it's gotta be something the OS X recognizes from the get go. hard drives, memory and dvd drives, all work natively in OS X, regardless of brand etc. now with memory, apples are a bit picky, but no more so than their PC counterparts. the laptops and imacs have user upgradeable memory, and if you're gutsy, hard drives. obviously being all in one systems, the graphics cards are integrated into the motherboard and cannot be updated. but show me a laptop that can be user upgraded and you're all ready looking at something more expensive than a mac.[*]OS X on Windows machines: Running OS X on a computer that is not an apple, is a blatant violation of the EULA for OS X, and can be prosecuted to the fullest extents of the law. You should not run OS X86 as it's called on any system, it is a modified version of OS X, and as such, is not a true version of OS X. Meaning, it has been significantly altered to run using a windows style BIOS, and as such has been hacked. It would be very easy for a person modifying a core system in such manner, to permanently and totally screw you and your hardware.[*]Viruses: Macs can get viruses. The problem is, most windows based viruses take advantage of the fact that the default windows account is automatically an administrator, and can run and do whatever it wants. Despite the default user account on a mac also having this "administrator" classification, it's not a true admin user, it's the equivalent of a power user in windows. being based on unix, the only true administrator on a mac is root at the command line level, and since the viruses that do exist can't get access to root or the command line for that matter, they do no harm. most mac viruses don't spread, they inhibit certain features on the machine and might slow it down, but they don't readily propogate, or cause major harm to the file structure or operating system. In fact, many virus writers have been trying to get a true working virus on a mac for years, but to date, have been unsuccessful. Now for general security, yes there are vulnerabilities just as there are in windows. but apple is pretty quick to fix them once they find out about them, and they do seem to be fewer in number than in windows.[*]software: there's a much larger base of 3rd party software encoders for macs than there are for windows. there's literally thousands upon thousands of different bits of software to help you do all sorts of things on windows. not to mention, the creative software is designed to run natively on a mac (adobe creative suite etc). the software is cheaper, easier to install, and 90% of the time is going to work (obviously, the little software developers might have buggy coding, but the big guys, it always works). from the get go though, you'll have access to a decent array of multimedia and creative software, and the apple office suite (iWork) is significantly cheaper than MS Office ($79 v $399.95). Yes there are more games for a PC, but I can install windows on my machine without violating any user agreements or licenses, and since apple has written the software to do so, and knows it's hardware, windows actually has less hardware or software issues on apple hardware than it does on any mass produced desktop machine. which means for the additional $200 for vista or XP SP2, I can play whatever video game i want.[*]Crashes: yes, macs crash, it happens once in a while, normally because of some software glitch or a user mistake. typically you'll see videos on youtube of macs crashing as proof that they do, but in all likeliness, that user purposely did something to get it to crash consistently. they do not crash anywhere near as often as windows machines. this is mainly because all of the hardware control issues aren't present. If i had a nickel for all of the times I had windows machines (even my work provided Dell laptop) crash over the last 14 years, I'd be as rich as Steve Jobs. The downfall to windows is simply the millions of possible different configurations, and relying upon hardware makers to provide the proper drivers to make each configuration work right. not as present with vista, but extremely prevalent in XP.[*]Longevity: a 7 year old mac with very minor upgrades (typically hard drive and memory, sometimes DVD drive) can run OS X leopard. show me a 7 year old PC running vista, and I'd be amazed (note a 7 year old PC would be a Pentium 2 or very early pentium 3, and would not meet the minimum processor requirements to even run vista) point being, a system that shipped with OS 9, can run the newer version of OS X (10.4 to be exact, 10.5 requires a machine that would have shipped with 10.0)[*]OS Costs: It costs $129 to upgrade from an old version of OS X to Leopard. You might be able to find a version of Windows XP Pro for that, but you're never going to find a version of Vista with as many features as Leopard for that money. The best you might get is Vista Home, which doesn't offer as many features (lacks the Network sharing ability, secondary desktop, media capabilities, meaning, it's the most basic OS on the market, hell XP home had more features, even ME had more features)[*]Parts: There's very little chance of things breaking on a mac. if they do, you can take it to any apple store and get them fixed for free within the first year, for free within 3 years if you opt for the AppleCare Protection Plan. To date, I've only ever taken my MacBook Pro in for service for things that were 3rd party related. Meaning I had a faulty backlight inverter, and fan bearings that died. I have not taken my mac in for anything software related, and it was not parts that I would think typically go bad, but I have the first revision of hardware, and some bugs are to be expected as with any new product. My last service was in December, and the system has run flawlessly since then, with the only major off time being when I recently went on vacation to Hawaii with my wife. Other than that, the maybe once ever 2 week restart for a software update that actually required it, or the restart recently to install leopard.[*]Peripherals: I've yet to install a driver for an external peripheral, scanners, cameras, printers... 90% of the drivers needed to run them are built into OS X, and every update adds more and more. Apple does not currently ship a machine with HD DVD or BluRay drives, but OS X will recognize both. You can buy HD DVD or BluRay drives both external and internal for the Mac Pro, and can use an external one on any mac with a firewire port (aka every mac).[*]right click: any apple mouse that you can buy from a major store has a right click. hell, it has 4 buttons, plus a scroll ball (unlike windows mice where horizontal scrolling is limited to a rocker motion, you can scroll anywhere with a mighty mouse). yes, the apple laptops only have a single button on the touchpad, but holding down the control button while clicking produces context menus. big whoop, you need to spend an extra $50 on a mouse. most people with laptops do that anyway, simply for the sake of ease of use. you can also use any USB or bluetooth mouse with no issues.[*]cost: dollar for dollar, if you price out a windows machine with exact equivalent hardware spec

 

The hardware upgrade part only applies to the Power Mac G5 desktop.The iMacs cannot be upgraded other than memory and hard drive just like a laptop. A Power Mac G5 starts at $2400. So in order to buy the computer from Apple that has the same upgradeability as a PC, I have to spend $2500 + upgrades. Or I could go to newegg/tigerdirect and buy a complete windows machine for less. The bare min computer isn't really that great. Its a Dual Core 2.66GHz Xeon which is a pretty good processor but I could build a 2.66GHz Quad Core Duo machine for $1000 with some pretty good parts. A couple weeks ago me and my brother priced out a gaming rig we were thinking about building. It came out to a little over $1000 and that is with a quad core 64 bit Intel processor and alot of pretty good parts. 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard drive, 256MB V-card. Nothing really impressive, especially for the price. For $2500 I can build one kick as machine that can run any OS without a problem (Windows/Linux/etc). The only thing I like about the G5 is that it can run 2 quad core Xeon processors but that is $1500 extra. At that price I'm pretty sure I can pick up a server motherboard + processors and do the same. At the end of the day, macs are overpriced. Its $2500 for a G5 and $1200 for an iMac. For the price of an iMac, I can build a computer with the specs of the $2500 G5. On top of that, these are the min prices for these machines. With add ons, you can go well over. The top of the line iMac is $2300. Also, the Pentium 3 was released in 1999. My brother is running dual pentium III 1.0GHz processors on a Compaq workstation. He is running Vista Ultimate and it runs great on his machine. He plays Madden on it all the time and never has any problems. Can you run Leopard on a Power PC based Mac? I believe the Power PC processor was the predecessor to the X86 archatecture. The Pentium III is a very old processor but it can still run XP and Vista.

 

I have an ibook... and it has a dvd player/burner.

New macs will be able to run on Vista... I don't know why any mac owner would want to though.

My mac may cost more in the beginning, but it's not going to be obsolete in a week like anything on a PC.

^Your regular semi computer literate person isn't going to want to do this, so they're not even going to consider buying that good of a mac. People buying these sorts of mac are mostly college students who NEED a reliable computer for their major. My brother uses a mac for his art classes because of the great user friendly programs and the reliability of a mac.


Just to throw this in here because it's pretty funny... http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~ranma1/mac_install.html
^This guy put Mac OS X on his Xbox.


Oh, and thanks Cderalow

Phoenix_GTR. What model mac do you have? You most likely have a DVD burner and just don't know it. I've had my laptop for a few years and I have one.