VW dont own shares in these companies they outright own the companies. Bentley was on it's way to going under in the late 90's and VW bought them, not part of them, the whole company. Porsche on the other hand was created by VW as a racing division for their company and VW has allways owned them.

Porsche Cayenne = VW Touareg

Bentley FLYING SPUR = VW Phaeton with forced induction

I understand your point but if VW goes under it will indeed take Bentley and Porsche with it unless it sells them to try and stay afloat.

 

VW also bought out Bugatti i believe, and Bugatti did make the fastest car on the market (Veyron)

 

That is correct and the car itself is designed by VW. That is apparent from the motor, which is a VW W16 (two V8 motors put together). The front end also has a huge resemblence of an audi.

PS. Not only is it the fastest, but it's also the most powerful and the most expensive car on the market


And one more thing, I don't believe that VW designs Porsches (cayenne/tourag is an exception). I think that because no Porsche shares a platform or a motor with VW. There are also no interior or exterior cues to make it even remotely comparable with any given VW (of course, this excludes bug and toureg/cayenne)

 

'peoples car' actually, a cheap car that the masses could afford, designed and built by ferdinand porsche.
I don't know about insulting a vw , I had one and flogged it unmercifully for three years and over a hundred thousand miles and had no problems with it. I do think the honda is better but then I haven't owned a vw lately. German quality has fallen off lately across the board. I don't think I would buy a vw just for that reason.

 

yea, german cars used to be top notch, but the quality seems to have started deteriorating in mid 90s. It's not uncommon to see mercedes and bmw cars last well over 300k miles. However, it doesn't take a genious to see, why a person would take any japanese car over vw. Japanese = cheaper, more reliable, more economical, easier to maintain, doesn't require much more maintenance then regular oil changes = more practical. It almost doesn't make sense to buy a Jetta over a Civic or Corolla

 

1) its german....ok?
2) its european....even better...
3)thus, its more expensive to own(so is a ferrai, now those suck to?!?) less logically designed(are you kidding me?!?! the best designed cars in the world are european) and more liely to break down/catch on fire/ strart a facist regime(that one is funny) than a civic.
4) ask him to name on advantage of driving it over a civic.
a) the interior doesnt make feel cheep enough to rob a hobo,
b) it has enough torque to make it up a steep hill with people in my car without having to redline every gear,
c) it can creat heat in the winter faster then 20 min.
d) it doesnt creep of the line without having to floor it,
e) the rear sound deck doenst rattle with any minor system change,
f) it doesnt COMPLEATLY suck in the winter,

thers just a few for ya, and this is coming from a BIG honda fan.




heh. i like this post.

what HONDA hangs with and Ferrari? im pretty sure a civic doesnt. and the NSX doesnt so dont bring that up.

Just to comment to tthis owning topic.

yes,VW owns bently(fastest sadan in the world) and it owns posche (who has the 2nd fastes production car and is just porshe in general) VW ALSO owns Audi, the possible best awd system. Lambo ( who makes some of the best supercars) and owns bugatti(who just created the fastest car).

and no. you are wrong. first of all, how is ford or dodge or any other company that owns other companies ANY different then VW. VW and its companies share many of their technology. to strat of easy, they stick the same motors in many audis that are in VW's just like a mazda mx6 motor is the same as in a ford probes. the new audi SUV has many of the same parts for the porsche. awd....4motion(vws awd) is based off the quattro design, and in the touareg, is identical to the quattro design. lambo also uses thier awd system based of the quattro. the only company who doesnt out of the group is porsche.many early porsches mad used many VW parts( the 944). The 924(which was already using VW parts) was BUILT in a audi factory. using AUDI parts as well. The cayenne and touareg us the SAME entire chassis. it is a JOKE to say that VW and its companies dont share parts. They clearly do and clearly have been for many many years. which is why these companies are so great. The only thing that i dont like about european cars was the electrical problem , and that they do cost a bit more. but its worth it.

and you said that they share parts but have no part in building or design of those cars?? how does that work? let alone that a car is PARTS and Design. so they have already had part in HALF of the car, and what you said doesnt even make sense.. parts have everything to do with design as well. What, are they gonna sick the AWD system on the roof and no under the car? or maybe they wil reverse the chassis to make it better?? idk you tell me.


i am as big of a honda fan as the next person in here. but honda and the asian market have some real issues they need to work out. same with american cars.

but european cars have power, fual econ., handling, looks. european cars have the best of all worlds. no cheep interiors, no huge motors that cant handle the power.

and i love people that rag on european cars, but then bring up ferrari and porsche.[&:]

 

true. but i think that only lasted throgh the 90's. european qaulity is coming back to how it was originally

 

i love cars, i love vw and honda. i would prefer a honda over a newer vw because of the reliablilty, weight, handling, etc. but a aircooled vw can make insane amounts of power for a really really cheap amont of money (using old WWI technology), and they are really reliable if build well and have low compression large displacement (aka gene berg style)

 

I honestly hope that you are right. BTW, I really hate where german cars are going with their exterior styling (with an exception of Porsche, because their cars evolve gradually, with no radical changes). Japanese cars on the other hand keep getting better and better.

 

eh. i see just as much of a change from honda and german cars then anyone else. (excluding the exotics)