what S2000
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RE: what S2000
For a quarter of the price remember that, people say that the pushrod american designed v8 is out dated but I dont agree. If it aint broke dont fix it. GM and Ford both also have OHC, DOHC designs that do just fine. The 4.6 liter DOHC Northstar platform is a nice example. 320hp 300tq from a engine that dont have any parts that are ment to boost power in a performance type of way. Ford has the 4.6 and 5.4 modular engines that make good power but both are over shadowed by the 3rd and 4th generation GM pushrod V8 which pound for pound is the best pushrod engine ever, yes I said it ever. These are engines that can and do take 700, 800, 900hp in BONE STOCK FORM everything about them is ready for power.
I just feel as that in the import world people do not respect which they do not understand.....I guess it's that way in the domestic world also. I just try to bridge the gap a bit. I dont mean to **** people off but I do as it seems to be a touchy subject.
Ok I am done going off topic, I apologize.
I say get a earlier model S2000 as it is how it should be in it's rawest form. But try and find a hard top for it as IMO it looks tons better.
I just feel as that in the import world people do not respect which they do not understand.....I guess it's that way in the domestic world also. I just try to bridge the gap a bit. I dont mean to **** people off but I do as it seems to be a touchy subject.
Ok I am done going off topic, I apologize.
I say get a earlier model S2000 as it is how it should be in it's rawest form. But try and find a hard top for it as IMO it looks tons better.
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One of my friends from High School's dad has a Corvette Z06.
I've driven it a few times and was just not impressed... so by my own conclusion I feel that they are way over rated.
Now the Mustangs I've driven in my own humble opinion are awesome cars..
I've driven it a few times and was just not impressed... so by my own conclusion I feel that they are way over rated.
Now the Mustangs I've driven in my own humble opinion are awesome cars..
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Unless you've driven an S281, that's pretty much just not true.
I'm not arguing about the potential of these engines at all. But picture a 5 liter Honda engine built using similar techniques and updated engineering of that found in the C32A...
Like I said, what import manufacturers choose to build is an image choice more than anything.
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For a quarter of the price remember that, people say that the pushrod american designed v8 is out dated but I dont agree. If it aint broke dont fix it. GM and Ford both also have OHC, DOHC designs that do just fine. The 4.6 liter DOHC Northstar platform is a nice example. 320hp 300tq from a engine that dont have any parts that are ment to boost power in a performance type of way. Ford has the 4.6 and 5.4 modular engines that make good power but both are over shadowed by the 3rd and 4th generation GM pushrod V8 which pound for pound is the best pushrod engine ever, yes I said it ever. These are engines that can and do take 700, 800, 900hp in BONE STOCK FORM everything about them is ready for power.
I just feel as that in the import world people do not respect which they do not understand.....I guess it's that way in the domestic world also. I just try to bridge the gap a bit. I dont mean to **** people off but I do as it seems to be a touchy subject.
Ok I am done going off topic, I apologize.
I say get a earlier model S2000 as it is how it should be in it's rawest form. But try and find a hard top for it as IMO it looks tons better.
For a quarter of the price remember that, people say that the pushrod american designed v8 is out dated but I dont agree. If it aint broke dont fix it. GM and Ford both also have OHC, DOHC designs that do just fine. The 4.6 liter DOHC Northstar platform is a nice example. 320hp 300tq from a engine that dont have any parts that are ment to boost power in a performance type of way. Ford has the 4.6 and 5.4 modular engines that make good power but both are over shadowed by the 3rd and 4th generation GM pushrod V8 which pound for pound is the best pushrod engine ever, yes I said it ever. These are engines that can and do take 700, 800, 900hp in BONE STOCK FORM everything about them is ready for power.
I just feel as that in the import world people do not respect which they do not understand.....I guess it's that way in the domestic world also. I just try to bridge the gap a bit. I dont mean to **** people off but I do as it seems to be a touchy subject.
Ok I am done going off topic, I apologize.
I say get a earlier model S2000 as it is how it should be in it's rawest form. But try and find a hard top for it as IMO it looks tons better.
Like I said, what import manufacturers choose to build is an image choice more than anything.
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RE: what S2000
That's the thing, nobody can say what if this and what if that. Those what if's get old after you realize they are not going to happen. And do you not think that if honda, mitsu, nissan, etc, etc brought a car out in the U.S. that went toe to toe with a stock base model C6 vette that GM would not do what it takes to put those cars in their place. See people do not realize this.
The last time GM went head to head with anyone as far as a direct price vs price match on similar models that were ment to do the same thing was in 02. The last year of the F-Body's that I might add smashed on the Mustangs of that year. Now a year or 2 after GM stops F-Body production Ford grows the ***** to make a car to try and compete but there is nobody to compete with(Cobra's). If Ford would have brought a 390hp Cobra out in 99 GM would have turned around and pulled a 425hp F-Body and still be all motor. If GM dont do anything else right it does do fast cars correctly with V8's and RWD. I am sorry but nobody can match em V8 vs V8, pushrod engine vs pushrod engine, displacement vs displacement. Not going to happen sorry.
The last time GM went head to head with anyone as far as a direct price vs price match on similar models that were ment to do the same thing was in 02. The last year of the F-Body's that I might add smashed on the Mustangs of that year. Now a year or 2 after GM stops F-Body production Ford grows the ***** to make a car to try and compete but there is nobody to compete with(Cobra's). If Ford would have brought a 390hp Cobra out in 99 GM would have turned around and pulled a 425hp F-Body and still be all motor. If GM dont do anything else right it does do fast cars correctly with V8's and RWD. I am sorry but nobody can match em V8 vs V8, pushrod engine vs pushrod engine, displacement vs displacement. Not going to happen sorry.
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i agree with you marty. i have been a big fan of corvettes for a long time. i also would much rather have a hardtop. if we were to go out and buy a brand new one i would def lean for the hardtop. thats one of my favorite parts about the corvette we found. but locally and even online there are no hardtop S2000s. but i suppose i can live with the convertible since i wont be the main driver.
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Perhaps the reason that the Japanese companies don't get in the ring with the domestics is because American companies can make big V8s cheaply. American companies have been making V8s for decades, many times longer than Japanese/Asian companies have even existed. Yea pushrod V8 use ancient technology compared to the stuff the Japanese companies are using but since the technology is ancient the factories that make them have been paid off. If Japan wanted to switch gears and start making 7.0L V8s they would have to change the way they make cars. For American companies its what they have been doin for many years. Thats why Chevy can come out with a car that will stomp all over cars that cost twice as much.
Perhaps the reason that the Japanese companies don't get in the ring with the domestics is because American companies can make big V8s cheaply. American companies have been making V8s for decades, many times longer than Japanese/Asian companies have even existed. Yea pushrod V8 use ancient technology compared to the stuff the Japanese companies are using but since the technology is ancient the factories that make them have been paid off. If Japan wanted to switch gears and start making 7.0L V8s they would have to change the way they make cars. For American companies its what they have been doin for many years. Thats why Chevy can come out with a car that will stomp all over cars that cost twice as much.
do you know how amazing the C6 is?? one of the main resons why im a european auto fan and not a domestic fan is because im a stickler for power AND perfomance. yeah,like handling and the stuff a stang,viper(pretty much),trans am and firebird DONT have. i just got to play with this guys C6 last weekend, and im even more impressed then i was before.