JDM H22A or B16?
#43
RE: JDM H22A or B16?
ORIGINAL: reaper2022
heymikey19: You're right, I'm wrong. We've already covered this. Actually, I never said you were wrong; I merely mentioned that everyone I've talked to about h22's have said that there's a triple-digit weight difference:
Next time, try not to get your panties in a bunch and actually help with the question a poster has at the time. The weight discussion ended on page 2.
drbyers: I think you misread what we've been saying. A normal h22 will have no real clearance issues with an EG's hood. What we were saying is that if you do an H2B swap, you'll most likely have clearance issues. And I never said you couldn't turbo an h22. I said that the h22's cylinder walls were relatively thin compared to other Honda engines, and that I personally wouldn't push the boost too high. Once again, all this information is simply things that I've heard and agreed with. I can't speak from experience seeing as how I still have a D-series sitting in my engine bay.
(and finally)bcrichguitars: from what I've seen, both the b16 and b18 handle boost extremely well on stock internals. I know for a fact that there are a ton of people running around with boosted B-series engines. But from what I've heard in both forums and magazines, b16's feel exactly like d16's until about 5500rpm, so there's really no point in getting a b16 unless all you want is that pretty dohc valve cover under the hood for as low of a price as you can get it. I say go with a b18.
heymikey19: You're right, I'm wrong. We've already covered this. Actually, I never said you were wrong; I merely mentioned that everyone I've talked to about h22's have said that there's a triple-digit weight difference:
ORIGINAL: reaper2022
all the weight comparisons I've seen have said at least 100lbs.
all the weight comparisons I've seen have said at least 100lbs.
drbyers: I think you misread what we've been saying. A normal h22 will have no real clearance issues with an EG's hood. What we were saying is that if you do an H2B swap, you'll most likely have clearance issues. And I never said you couldn't turbo an h22. I said that the h22's cylinder walls were relatively thin compared to other Honda engines, and that I personally wouldn't push the boost too high. Once again, all this information is simply things that I've heard and agreed with. I can't speak from experience seeing as how I still have a D-series sitting in my engine bay.
(and finally)bcrichguitars: from what I've seen, both the b16 and b18 handle boost extremely well on stock internals. I know for a fact that there are a ton of people running around with boosted B-series engines. But from what I've heard in both forums and magazines, b16's feel exactly like d16's until about 5500rpm, so there's really no point in getting a b16 unless all you want is that pretty dohc valve cover under the hood for as low of a price as you can get it. I say go with a b18.
The H's are very good powerplants that are commonly overshadowed by the B series and talked down by people with B series swaps that wished they would have went with a H. The weight difference is complete bull****. You slap a heavy *** manifold, turbo, intercooler piping, and intercooler on the front of a B seriesor D series equiped civic and look at that it has the added weight and in the total wrong place. So take it for what you want but put it this way, I have a 96 civic hatch and a B series just sitting here and I am not wasting my time combining the two.
#44
RE: JDM H22A or B16?
Well there wouldn't be a point in a 14b on an h22 anyways right?
Is a 14b ok for a B16 or B18?
How much work would it take to put in a bigger turbo, I have a big enough intercooler, but other than the turbo what else would I need to change?
Thanks
Is a 14b ok for a B16 or B18?
How much work would it take to put in a bigger turbo, I have a big enough intercooler, but other than the turbo what else would I need to change?
Thanks
#45
RE: JDM H22A or B16?
You need a different turbo, maybe larger injectors. The manifold you will have to change no matter what. The 14b is actually rather small for a b16(because of it's higher rpm power range) and the B18 for the same reason which is also compounded by more displacement. What makes you want to go away from the boost d15b anyway? What else is done to the engine other than being boosted and where are you located? Is it a 5 speed?
#46
RE: JDM H22A or B16?
P06 chipped for Uberdata
B&M short shifter
JDM D15B VTEC
TE04H Turbo *Stock Wastegate at 3 PSI*
Magnaflow Cat-Back Exhaust
4-Port Aftermarket Vaccum Bar
460 cc Rx7 injectors (low impedence) with resistor box Johnny Race Car Style Front Mount Intercooler
Ceramic coated custom piping
Greddy EBC
And I wanted the b16 or b18 because I want more power. Any more suggestions?
B&M short shifter
JDM D15B VTEC
TE04H Turbo *Stock Wastegate at 3 PSI*
Magnaflow Cat-Back Exhaust
4-Port Aftermarket Vaccum Bar
460 cc Rx7 injectors (low impedence) with resistor box Johnny Race Car Style Front Mount Intercooler
Ceramic coated custom piping
Greddy EBC
And I wanted the b16 or b18 because I want more power. Any more suggestions?
#47
RE: JDM H22A or B16?
Yea get a slightly bigger turbo and take it to a good tuner. You should be able to take the D up to around 220whp or so on a good tune and with the tq supplied by the boost you should have a solid high 12 second car and not be pushing the envelope. I had a JDM D15B and man they like to rev slightly higher than other D's. I's add a stg 2 crower n/a cam, springs, retainers, and tune that thing. I went 14 flat in the 1/4 mile with my D15B and a t25 at 9psi and I was only making around 175whp and 150wtq and this was in a full weight 98 sedan with power windows and power locks.
Really what is your ending goal? Because the setup you have is good for a damn quick car on the street.
Really what is your ending goal? Because the setup you have is good for a damn quick car on the street.
#48
RE: JDM H22A or B16?
What does it mean to "not be pushing the envelope". Thanks for your advice I have a few more questions though. Is doing all this work to the engine really worth it, like wouldn't the car be faster by just swapping a B16 with stock internals than building up this one?
I have already found a tuner, I was just waiting because I was planning on the B16. Do I really need a bigger turbo, what would having a bigger turbo do for me?
Thanks and sorry for so many questions.
Also you mentioned a stg 2 crower n/a cam, doesn't n/a mean naturally aspirated? You also mentioned springs and retainers, I'm not sure what that is but i could read up on them I guess. What type of shop would be able to install all this, and wouldn't this be very expensive?
I have already found a tuner, I was just waiting because I was planning on the B16. Do I really need a bigger turbo, what would having a bigger turbo do for me?
Thanks and sorry for so many questions.
Also you mentioned a stg 2 crower n/a cam, doesn't n/a mean naturally aspirated? You also mentioned springs and retainers, I'm not sure what that is but i could read up on them I guess. What type of shop would be able to install all this, and wouldn't this be very expensive?
#50
RE: JDM H22A or B16?
ORIGINAL: bcrichguitars
What does it mean to "not be pushing the envelope". Thanks for your advice I have a few more questions though. Is doing all this work to the engine really worth it, like wouldn't the car be faster by just swapping a B16 with stock internals than building up this one?
I have already found a tuner, I was just waiting because I was planning on the B16. Do I really need a bigger turbo, what would having a bigger turbo do for me?
Thanks and sorry for so many questions.
Also you mentioned a stg 2 crower n/a cam, doesn't n/a mean naturally aspirated? You also mentioned springs and retainers, I'm not sure what that is but i could read up on them I guess. What type of shop would be able to install all this, and wouldn't this be very expensive?
What does it mean to "not be pushing the envelope". Thanks for your advice I have a few more questions though. Is doing all this work to the engine really worth it, like wouldn't the car be faster by just swapping a B16 with stock internals than building up this one?
I have already found a tuner, I was just waiting because I was planning on the B16. Do I really need a bigger turbo, what would having a bigger turbo do for me?
Thanks and sorry for so many questions.
Also you mentioned a stg 2 crower n/a cam, doesn't n/a mean naturally aspirated? You also mentioned springs and retainers, I'm not sure what that is but i could read up on them I guess. What type of shop would be able to install all this, and wouldn't this be very expensive?
Cam, springs, and retainers should be around $500, a nice used 16G turbo around $200, and a good tune around $400 or so. That is around $1200 and man you will not do either one of those other swaps for that amount because you need to take into account that these "jdm" swaps are old and no telling how long it's been sense they have been started and drove. You dont know the condition of them so it is in your best intrest to rebuild them plus you would still need a bigger turbo, a different manifold, and the B16's compression IMO in stock form is to high for any kinda real boost. You will also still need to get your new setup tuned once all is in.
BTW there is no way a H22, B18, B20, B16 with any transmission can compare to a K series